The value of men

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It's not about how to be a real man, but what kinds of men she's interested in.

She's interested in the "Real Man" kinds .

indeed.



no they say "real man" then list a bunch of traits that make a "real man" this term and the list is said by a ton of women.

its not just that they are interested in a type of guy, but they are classifying those type of guys(few) as what it means to be a man. anyone who doesn't meat it isn't a real man. I find it sexist.

Why is it sexist to have a particular list of traits you're attracted to?

Women typically want strength, power, financial stability, social success etc in their man as an ideal partner and potential father to their children. There is absolutely nothing wrong with them desiring those positive things, IMO.

I think it was clear. It is sexist because they call it "real man".

Of COURSE it's sexist. Heterosexual females are attracted to males and desire the best one they can obtain. What else should they want?

As a gay man, I don't give a flying F. However, I can relate to wanting to be an ideal partner myself as well as being attracted to certain traits in other guys.

Whatever you want to call it.. "real man," "best partner," "ideal mate," etc etc no one is going to sell themselves short on their wish list for a partner/boyfriend/husband/mate etc. Why should they, or I, or anyone?

You are NEVER going to read a personal ad that says "Seeking depressed down and out unemployed anti-social person for terrible relationship!"

Seriously - how is it sexist to want ideal traits and a quality match in a partner???

Do you lack understanding skills or you are trolling me on purpose? It's not about standars, can't you read?
It is offensive because they call it "real man" and in doing so they devalue and offend people who don't match with their standards. It's not about having standars, it's about actively putting down people who don't correspond to them.

same reason men are sexist to have traites they are interested in. like looks beautiful, thin body, hour glass shape, big boobs, etc. women call such men sexist and say they objectivity women.

then women do the same thing but for a mans status and money and say its ok.

so at what point does ones interest which is held by a large group become sexist. is it only when its traits for women?

where are all the "real women" you know the hot super models who are submissive and will do whatever the man tells them to, and stay home and raise the kids while making dinner and cleaning the house.

those are the male equivalent to "real man" think most women would call those previous standard women traits sexist. yet the same time era male traits aren't sexist and are ok. wtf.




wanting a real man is not wanting a quality match. these women do not have the things they demand. this is not a athletic person saying they want an athletic person so they can be athletic together.

If you're not blonde, thin and hot then your not a real woman.
wonder if that will make any of the women who are not that now feel bad and worthles. buecaue they are worthless according to that. as theya ren't blond or thin or hot. then or how about

real women keep their mouth shut, do whatever their bf tells them and stay in the kitchen.

oh guess most women arent' real women now.

could go on. pretty sure women will find those examples sexist. well I find the real man stuff sexist and offensive as well.

real man is the stereotype of what all men should be, you're not a real man either goldfish. real men aren't' gay. so your'e a substandard man. well men aren't' stereotypes. I doub many men meet the requirements for being real man. probably why those women are alone for such a extended time.

I don't get why you defend a sexist and offensive thing.

if men can over come their desires for the best women why can't women?
or only submsive thin woman would get bfs as thats the nature's idea woman. just as a sucusseful athletic guy, etc is the natures idea man. but we aren't natives living in primal times anymore.

men were forced to sell themselves short as the things men wanted was deemed to be sexist towards women.

real man is not the same as idea mate. ideal mate is personal person to person.
real man is saying all men should be ABC no variation and anyone whose not is worthless.

Neither. I understand just fine and I'm not trolling anyone.

It is about standards & peoples' criteria for attraction. I know what I'm attracted to and have no qualms about letting others know it. If they aren't aesthetically, mentally, emotionally, and/or intellectually my type then I'm not going to consider dating them. That's a part of the reason I've remained single despite having many interested guys over the years. If they're not what I want & I know it, I'm not going to waste my time or theirs.

It's not offensive. It simply is what it is. If those particular women are attracted to those particular traits in a man, then that's the type of man they're looking for. If someone else is attracted to a low muscle tone meek geek engineer/programmer, then they'll seek out a guy like that.

They're not actively putting down guys who don't fit their criteria. They're simply ruling them out. Pretty simple stuff. Saying no to someone isn't the same as intentionally insulting them.

1) I'm more of a "real man" than most heterosexual men. I'm tall, fit, masculine, educated, fairly intelligent, athletic and hard working. I do "real work" when doing construction projects, but am also intellectual. I'm good with kids & old people. People don't even realize I'm gay unless I tell them - and still most are surprised because they assume I'm straight. If I weren't gay, I'd fit the "real man" profile for some woman quite easily.. or better yet, for some boy.

2) I defend it because it's not a sexist thing at all to have criteria of attraction or preferences in a partner. At all. If it were sexist they'd simply dislike, discount, or hate all males for being of the male sex. But it's not sexist. At all. It's the things they're attracted to in a man.


If you're not those things and desire to be so in order to make yourself more attractive to the opposite sex, then work hard on yourself and become a "better" man vs. complaining about it which gets you nowhere. ~4 years ago I was 242lbs with a 38" waist. Today I'm 200lbs of mostly muscle and have recently turned a lot of heads when I walk down the street with my shirt off. Hard work, diet, exercise etc. There are no shortcuts. If you want something bad enough you'll work for it. If you can't be bothered, then you won't change yourself and won't become more attractive to others. It really is that simple.

Woman's stereotypical ideal man: Handsome, Wealthy, Confident, Social Status, Chemistry (Character Type)...
Sensitive: (of a person or a person's behavior) having or displaying a quick and delicate appreciation of others' feelings.

Man's stereotypical ideal woman: Beautiful, Chemistry, Sensitive.

Stereotype: a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing.

Widely Held: believed by a large number of persons

Oversimplified: simplify (something) so much that a distorted impression of it is given.

At the moment I'm feeling a bit overvalued. I've got two, possibly three young women who are interested in me and trying to choose which one I want to spend my life with is really stressing me out

ok? o.O

all this site does now is make me feel like why bother with life at all. its pretty clear everyone sees me as subhuman and worthless. so why do I keep trying. why not just make everyone happy and end it. the few happy things is clearly not worth it in the great scheme.

only women are valued and only women deserve happiness. men only serve serve them and the ones who have no value should just die. we only make women uncomfortable by existing.

Well then if you understand my words you are trying to piss me off by changing the subject. As I told you, the sexist thing is not about the standards. I could not care less for they standards, they can have any bloody standars they want, it is fair. The sexist thing is that they assume that a "real man" is only one who matches these standars, and thus someone who doesn't is not a "real man".

But everyone has a right to be sexist, don't they? It's liberty after all