20% of men get 80% of women?

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23 Mar 2016, 5:30 am

OKcupid/tinder stats are not a personal observation.



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23 Mar 2016, 5:42 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
OKcupid/tinder stats are not a personal observation.


The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The cat user's argument against this that those who register in those apps are not representative of the young human population - but I am seeing everyone are using such apps, at least the young the people.


Is that not a personal observation? You've stated that you are seeing "everyone" using these apps. You must see an awful lot of people, to be able to see all the young people in the world using these apps. How many millions of people do you get to see every day? And you're not getting stats from all of the dating apps used in the world.

What you are seeing is representative of the people that use those apps. So count the number of people that use those apps, then figure out how many people there are in the world who are of the age to date, and find the percentage of people that actually use each particular app. I'm sure you will find that it's a small population for each app.

So the stats are only useful if you are going to generalize about those who are using each particular app. Otherwise it's meaningless and doesn't apply to people in general.



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23 Mar 2016, 6:00 am

I mean they're quite popular, especially in certain countries.

But fine, whatever you say, be happy now.

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23 Mar 2016, 6:22 am

I think the 20/80 theory is flawed in ones respect. That is I think it is focusing on a certain limited group, not the whole age group.

Like if you are observing people at clubs/bars, only certain people go there. If you are observing social groups, only certain ones participate.

A lot of people don't play the dating game in the public venues and forums. I suspect the majority actually do not.

So its something like the world of celebrities, where only a small active portion, including the players is under observation.



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23 Mar 2016, 7:21 am

The main flaw in the argument is that most people using dating apps and online dating are NTs, and the main group of interest here are neurodiverse people. If he can show a huge majority of NDs are using Tinder and online dating in a similar way as the NT majority, then the argument would be relevant.



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23 Mar 2016, 8:01 am

It's flawed because it can't happen that way.

It can only happen that way in a polygamous society where everybody is polygamous.



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23 Mar 2016, 11:00 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^^ However, dating sites' stats (the reliable dating apps/sites) can be more statically correct than these psychologist studies, why? Data of those are much larger, it doesn't reflect a sample on one point of time (vs time when data collected by a questionnaire)- but they reflect cumulative data on users who have been members there.

The okcupid stats study *does* reflect somehow that 20/80 thing in women: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your- ... ine-dating.

The 14% thing on tinder reflects maybe millions of female users.

The cat user's argument against this that those who register in those apps are not representative of the young human population - but I am seeing everyone are using such apps, at least the young the people.



I don't know anyone IRL who uses a dating site except my boyfriend...but me and him don't use it now as we're in a relationship. So yeah I haven't had the impression everyone around my age group is on it, most still seem to kind of scoff at the idea and tease you if they find out you're using a dating site.

Also though from the article:
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Site-wide, two-thirds of male messages go to the best-looking third of women. So basically, guys are fighting each other 2-for-1 for the absolute best-rated females, while plenty of potentially charming, even cute, girls go unwritten.


So it would seem males are rather picky about looks to.

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As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh. On the other hand, when it comes to actual messaging, women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead of the curve, which is a healthier pattern than guys’ pursuing the all-but-unattainable. But with the basic ratings so out-of-whack, the two curves together suggest some strange possibilities for the female thought process, the most salient of which is that the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her, but she then goes right out and messages them anyway.



Based on that women on okcupid rating 80% of guys as worse looking than medium apparently doesn't imply they absolutely would not go out with one of those 80% of guys if I understand this right. The author frames it as if a female does not rate a males picture as average or above she thinks 'he's not good enough for me.' but the stats seem to imply looks don't matter so much when it comes to who these women actually message or respond to. Kind of leans toward females looking at more than 'looks' when determining attraction. The stats are also implying males most often only messege the most attractive /model esque women....so whilst they are more 'forgiving' initially on appearance when it comes to messaging they still only go for most conventionally attractive ones.


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23 Mar 2016, 11:02 am

rdos wrote:
The main flaw in the argument is that most people using dating apps and online dating are NTs, and the main group of interest here are neurodiverse people. If he can show a huge majority of NDs are using Tinder and online dating in a similar way as the NT majority, then the argument would be relevant.


^This.


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23 Mar 2016, 12:07 pm

Hmm, I wonder what they'd call a dating app for Aspies....

AspR? :)


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23 Mar 2016, 12:21 pm

^kissAsspie.



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23 Mar 2016, 12:27 pm

Ok Sweatleaf, you are right - you win too.

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24 Mar 2016, 5:19 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^kissAsspie.


A better name would be SausageFest.



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29 Mar 2016, 3:53 am

**Cough***

Hello, deniers.

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/2 ... l.pdf+html

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Dr. Wilder’s response to the comments by disbelieving Lab readers:

I’ve run into all sorts of problems when explaining our finding that the breeding sex ratio is skewed in favor of women. (The most common response: “More women have children than men? Duh, of course.”) I’ll explain very briefly the methodology of our study and how we interpret the results.

In a nutshell, we examined the amount of genetic variability on the Y chromosome (which is inherited by males solely from fathers) and mitochondrial DNA (inherited in both sexes solely from the mother). According to population genetic theory, the amount of variation observed among any set of chromosomes surveyed in a population is proportional to two factors, the rate of mutation and the size of the population (in terms of numbers of reproducing individuals). If we factor out differences in the rate of mutation, then any leftover difference in the amount of variation between two samples of chromosomes should be due to differences in the sizes of the populations from which they are sampled. Applying this method, we were able to estimate the relative size of the female and male human populations (from mitochondrial and Y chromosome variation, respectively). We found that the breeding sex ratio is about two females per male.

On average (and over evolutionary time), any given human female has been more likely to reproduce than any given male. Said another way, males have had a higher variance in reproductive success than females. As a consequence, more different females have contributed to the modern gene pool than males. Rather spectacular examples of this phenomenon have been inferred from historical times using genetic data. Asian conquerors (such as Genghis Khan and Giocangga) and their male relatives appear to have made a vastly disproportionate contribution to modern Asian populations. Niall of the Nine Hostages seems to have had a similar effect on the gene pool of the British Isles. These types of events, where one person (or set of related individuals) experiences tremendous reproductive success, can have an effect on the gene pool that lasts for many generations. On the other side of the equation, we have to infer that there are many more males than females who do not successfully reproduce at all.



So we have twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors.


Now OKcupid and Tinder stats' that shows a "majority of females favoring only a minority of males" makes sense.

This is regardless of how the marriage culture forces pairing up.



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29 Mar 2016, 4:01 am

I wonder if it has anything to do with lots of men having gotten themselves killed by fighting and hunting large dangerous animals before they could reproduce.



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29 Mar 2016, 4:10 am

^^^Hmmmmmm.... :chin: anyways, no wonder there is so much cheating going on.



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29 Mar 2016, 4:15 am

^^ It could be, weaker hunters were more likely to die young- so there might had been a natural selection at this level imposed on males.

But in some current hunter-gatherer tribes, there's a polygyny system per male performance, so I would say it was natural selection + sexual selection/favoritism, a one very strong hunter may do better than two weak hunters.

There were also the mass rapes/sexual slavery in wars, this could have contributed to this imbalance too.

This is probably true of the most primate species, I am sure it's even worse in chimps and gorillas who they are descended from way more females than males.