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18 Sep 2017, 9:56 am

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If someone often"popping" up near by you without a good reason that´s often a dead give away that she is into you. Some sort of nervousness is often showing too. Most women like if the man is trying first, he´s the "hunter".


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Once upon a time before modern conveniences a woman would have had a lot to do at home unless she was rich and hired servants, but they were not the majority.

But the average woman would have had a lot of physical work to do at home. So she wasn't freeloading.

We haven't adapted well to new circumstances weirdly. People just want more and more and bigger and better. People who are satisfied with a simple life are spurned as weirdos.

Just gotta find another person who isn't materialistic to be your partner.

It's more than gender roles. It's a commercialised advertising industry. The whole system is geared towards making people dissatisfied with what they have.

MGTOW philosophy doesn't seem to have a solution to that other than to make women as exhausted as men as they run on the corporate treadmill to seek more and more.


Maybe it's because culture is a by product of our biology, and not the other way around, that's why we don't adapt, or maybe even can't adapt. That the advertising industry should play such a huge role on our mating strategies sounds like an absurd theory to me, and not at all plausible. It seems to me we're just dancing around the elephant in the room at this point, which is biology.

I have to give credit where it's due, I take my hat off to wanderlust. Not only does
she understand how mating actually works, but she has been very open and honest aswell. Look, I totally get why this discussion angers alot of women. I can only speak for myself, but I am not in any way out to harm women or anything like that.

But I think what we've uncovered here, is that the way men and women "love" is completely different. And in my estimation this will not ever ever change. MGTOW is the answer because it advocates that men should choose to follow their heart, instead of slaving away at a job they hate, even if the consequence is that they may not be able earn enough to attract a female.


Previous generations lived much more simple lives. They didn't strive for SUVs and iPhone's for example. We don't need these things but we're bombarded with advertising for them and people fall for it. They really do. Men and women.

When all the working classes were doing similar jobs like miners and factory workers it was probably easier to find a compatible partner because your wife would expect you to stay in that job like all her friend's husbands were staying in their miner for life/factory worker for life type jobs.


What you're saying doesn't add up though. While I agree that on a personal level, men are equally materialistic, when it comes to mate selection, men generally don't care at all about what a woman earns, while it is very important to a woman. Either women are evil, shallow, or just easily influenced by culture. OR, there simply is a biological difference between men and women(hint: hypergamy).


And always does his job get compared to the friends' husbands in the first place, hmm? I so hear of that one too.


Yeah I hear that too. My friend's Mum is always going on at her Dad about how her family have big houses and big cars and why couldn't he have managed to keep a job where he could have earned that much. He seems to be on the spectrum and has difficulty getting along with others in employment so is now self-employed.


I've ask my gf what she would feel if she suddenly earns more than the man, she said that would be better for both. I hope this is the truth.


On the other hand, I recall a date a while ago who asked me the cliché question "Where Do You See Yourself in 5 Years?" and she didn't like my answer because my answer didn't involved a managerial position - I told her that I can't be nor I like to be the Manager type of guy, I am a technical person who excels in doing things with my own hands -
I don't have the patience to delegate and watch, I am more of a loner one-man show person than a team leader, and managerial tasks and meetings bore me.
For her, this is stagnation and not seeking for evolving, even though I told her that I am taking extensive continuity courses to evolved technically.

You know what? I am not a registered user in MGTOW or RD or any of that, but I am certainly a true MGTOW at heart: I refuse that my life to be dictated by ANY one, any woman, even if that will cost me a relationship.



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18 Sep 2017, 12:04 pm

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"Meant" to evolve? Says who?

A true adult lives life by their own terms, so an unambitious person who who WANTS to stay a security guard forever is not at fault.

Is just unfortunate while many men wouldn't mind being a secuity guard forever, the amount of women willing to stay or be with him is much smaller.



If a man wants to be a security guard for the rest of his life, it doesn't matter to me. We are just on on the same page. I am a self-help junkie, obsessed with improving myself, I am curious about EVERYTHING in life, and yeah, I want to make enough money to be able to pursue my obsessions like travelling for example.(I'm on the other end of this, I desperately NEED to change because then I have this fear of missing out.
If somebody wants to be stuck in the same place, go for it. Just go and find another woman.
The thing is at the beginning of a relationship, you don't see the real person. It's called infatuation for a reason.
Women can convince themselves they found the right one, they fall in love with the man’s potential, men can fake whole relationships, most of the time it's f****d up from the beginning. Then the blame game starts. "you changed", "Who are you, I don't know you anymore"
You didn't know them from the start but you were blinded.

This particular security guard by the way was plain lazy. He was very good with gardening, he loved that so for me it was just beyond my comprehension why he wouldn't learn something, become a gardener etc. My aunt didn't get that either. I am pretty sure she would have supported him to get a qualification to do what he loved. Of course I only her side of the story.
But you can't do anything with laziness.

This whole thing is not even about the money, it's about the characters.

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So if a man earns much less than his woman he suddenly becomes "freeloader", she loses hee respect for him ....etc while if the other way around she is not a freeloader.
If she earns more, it suddenly becomes "parental" and not sexual - so what about the men married to housewives and to less earning women, their relationship is not parental and asexual? why it's not that?

A housewife, unless we talk about the sh***y tv shows you can see now, works a lot, takes care of the children, cooks, cleans the house, runs errands, at least in Europe.
A man who stays at home, usually watched tv and moans about how unfair the world is.
Massive generalization but kinda true.

As I see it most men would do everything to get some female attention. They will put up with drama, pressure, they will bend over backwards to please their ever-demanding woman. Why? Seriously? Do they really in love with some manipulative, lazy, greedy b***h ? Or just being lazy to get out of the relationship, fear of being alone, fear of not getting sex etc.
What is this if not co-dependency, insecurity at its finest and approval-seeking? None of them are attractive traits, who is attracted to a doormat??

MGTOW is a bunch of loser men who was not able to be a man, a dominant male whose word the female would follow. Now they are throwing a tantrum. Those men didn’t go their own way. On their forums they keep moaning about women
Come on, how difficult to say from a start that you want to split the bill, or you want a prenup as let's get real marriages will end in divorce. Yeah, I know it's difficult as it might ruin your chances to get laid. Personally I do hope those men will stay in mgtow. They are not man enough anyway. IMO!
A real masculine man would see through the mind games, he would be confident to say good bye if she is acting like a b***h. He would know what he wants to do and he would work for it to achieve it and he would expect his woman to be on his side. A self-respecting man would not allow jokes like you guys mentioned.
“Honey if you don’t like what I bring to the table, you are free to go and I don’t want you to make jokes like this as I do have feelings and you are hurting me saying stuff like this.
To actually saying what you think and not being afraid of the consequences-woman leaves- that’s strength and that deserves respect.
A man would be confident enough to know he will find another woman as he would know his worth.
But this never happens as men are incredibly insecure.

The more I think the more I am sure that the future of men is in our hands. Women raise men and they ruin their spirits. These manboys, millenial snowflakes are the result of women have no clue how to be a woman and they have no clue how to raise children.
These articles should be read by every women
http://www.rebellesociety.com/2017/08/2 ... -feminine/
http://www.rebellesociety.com/2017/03/0 ... sculinity/
http://www.rebellesociety.com/2017/01/3 ... argie-men/
http://www.rebellesociety.com/2017/09/1 ... lbut-love/

People change, especially men should understand that nothing is permanent. You experience things apart from your partner and it changes the way you see the world, it’s inevitable that most couples grow apart if BOTH of them didn’t put effort in to save their relationship. Equal effort!

Last thing, Men don’t want ambitious women or they don’t expect them to strive to be better? LOLZ
It might be true for the older men 25+ (one question, why would anyone want to be with a slob anyway?)
20 year old guys are pickier when it comes to girlfriends.
I did some low profile jobs, cleaning, sandwich making and surprise, guys who were intelligent or studying something, didn’t take me seriously. A lot of them asked about my future plans and a year ago I was still figuring out what I wanted, when I said I had no idea and I was doing part time cleaning, they disappeared. The ones who stayed were morons who thought I was unintelligent and I’d happy to have one night stands. Well, they were wrong.

I think there’s hope for men but it takes some time.



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18 Sep 2017, 12:06 pm

Sorry for the rambling.
Boo if a woman asks you this, yeah you did well. Asking this cliche argh...
She must have been a boring, unimaginative person.



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18 Sep 2017, 12:10 pm

Oh and I sensed this kinda accusaton that I am one of those women.
The last 4 guys I fancied were all aspies. One officially diagnosed, three selfdiagnosed. Two of them without a job.
They were being picky, didn't want me who showed actual interest but they kept moaning about how women are b*****s.
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18 Sep 2017, 12:17 pm

^^^ Those men sound like idiots to me.



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18 Sep 2017, 12:20 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
^^^ Those men sound like idiots to me.

Maybe, maybe not.
I do think they were insecure also didn't want to believe that someone is actually attracted to them.
well...



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18 Sep 2017, 12:23 pm

I believe you have a good heart.

I believe I have a good heart, too.

But I wouldn't let these people abuse you like that.

I don't like it when somebody abuses me because of some "insecurity." I find that a poor excuse.



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18 Sep 2017, 12:31 pm

wanderlust77 wrote:
Oh and I sensed this kinda accusaton that I am one of those women.
The last 4 guys I fancied were all aspies. One officially diagnosed, three selfdiagnosed. Two of them without a job.
They were being picky, didn't want me who showed actual interest but they kept moaning about how women are b*****s.
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You appear to be quite a catch, so it is all their loss. :wink:



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18 Sep 2017, 12:40 pm

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I am a self-help junkie, obsessed with improving myself, I am curious about EVERYTHING in life, and yeah, I want to make enough money to be able to pursue my obsessions like travelling for example.(I'm on the other end of this, I desperately NEED to change because then I have this fear of missing out.


I don't like traveling, but I sure want to be able do whatever obsessions I have. That has been pretty important to me too. I don't understand people that have no ambitions. Still, that doesn't mean I want to be socially appropriate. It only means I want to pursue my special interests.

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The thing is at the beginning of a relationship, you don't see the real person. It's called infatuation for a reason.
Women can convince themselves they found the right one, they fall in love with the man’s potential, men can fake whole relationships, most of the time it's f****d up from the beginning. Then the blame game starts. "you changed", "Who are you, I don't know you anymore"
You didn't know them from the start but you were blinded.


That's why you should have a longer courtship phase that requires more effort from both of you. That will also show more of the real person before you commit to something.

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As I see it most men would do everything to get some female attention. They will put up with drama, pressure, they will bend over backwards to please their ever-demanding woman. Why? Seriously? Do they really in love with some manipulative, lazy, greedy b***h ? Or just being lazy to get out of the relationship, fear of being alone, fear of not getting sex etc.


Not me. :mrgreen:

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Last thing, Men don’t want ambitious women or they don’t expect them to strive to be better?


I think ambitious and smart women are cool. :wink:



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18 Sep 2017, 2:20 pm

wanderlust77 wrote:
Outrider wrote:

"Meant" to evolve? Says who?

A true adult lives life by their own terms, so an unambitious person who who WANTS to stay a security guard forever is not at fault.

Is just unfortunate while many men wouldn't mind being a secuity guard forever, the amount of women willing to stay or be with him is much smaller.



If a man wants to be a security guard for the rest of his life, it doesn't matter to me. We are just on on the same page. I am a self-help junkie, obsessed with improving myself, I am curious about EVERYTHING in life, and yeah, I want to make enough money to be able to pursue my obsessions like travelling for example.(I'm on the other end of this, I desperately NEED to change because then I have this fear of missing out.
If somebody wants to be stuck in the same place, go for it. Just go and find another woman.
The thing is at the beginning of a relationship, you don't see the real person. It's called infatuation for a reason.
Women can convince themselves they found the right one, they fall in love with the man’s potential, men can fake whole relationships, most of the time it's f****d up from the beginning. Then the blame game starts. "you changed", "Who are you, I don't know you anymore"
You didn't know them from the start but you were blinded.

This particular security guard by the way was plain lazy. He was very good with gardening, he loved that so for me it was just beyond my comprehension why he wouldn't learn something, become a gardener etc. My aunt didn't get that either. I am pretty sure she would have supported him to get a qualification to do what he loved. Of course I only her side of the story.
But you can't do anything with laziness.

This whole thing is not even about the money, it's about the characters.

Quote:
So if a man earns much less than his woman he suddenly becomes "freeloader", she loses hee respect for him ....etc while if the other way around she is not a freeloader.
If she earns more, it suddenly becomes "parental" and not sexual - so what about the men married to housewives and to less earning women, their relationship is not parental and asexual? why it's not that?

A housewife, unless we talk about the sh***y tv shows you can see now, works a lot, takes care of the children, cooks, cleans the house, runs errands, at least in Europe.
A man who stays at home, usually watched tv and moans about how unfair the world is.
Massive generalization but kinda true.

As I see it most men would do everything to get some female attention. They will put up with drama, pressure, they will bend over backwards to please their ever-demanding woman. Why? Seriously? Do they really in love with some manipulative, lazy, greedy b***h ? Or just being lazy to get out of the relationship, fear of being alone, fear of not getting sex etc.
What is this if not co-dependency, insecurity at its finest and approval-seeking? None of them are attractive traits, who is attracted to a doormat??

MGTOW is a bunch of loser men who was not able to be a man, a dominant male whose word the female would follow. Now they are throwing a tantrum. Those men didn’t go their own way. On their forums they keep moaning about women
Come on, how difficult to say from a start that you want to split the bill, or you want a prenup as let's get real marriages will end in divorce. Yeah, I know it's difficult as it might ruin your chances to get laid. Personally I do hope those men will stay in mgtow. They are not man enough anyway. IMO!
A real masculine man would see through the mind games, he would be confident to say good bye if she is acting like a b***h. He would know what he wants to do and he would work for it to achieve it and he would expect his woman to be on his side. A self-respecting man would not allow jokes like you guys mentioned.
“Honey if you don’t like what I bring to the table, you are free to go and I don’t want you to make jokes like this as I do have feelings and you are hurting me saying stuff like this.
To actually saying what you think and not being afraid of the consequences-woman leaves- that’s strength and that deserves respect.
A man would be confident enough to know he will find another woman as he would know his worth.
But this never happens as men are incredibly insecure.

The more I think the more I am sure that the future of men is in our hands. Women raise men and they ruin their spirits. These manboys, millenial snowflakes are the result of women have no clue how to be a woman and they have no clue how to raise children.
These articles should be read by every women
http://www.rebellesociety.com/2017/08/2 ... -feminine/
http://www.rebellesociety.com/2017/03/0 ... sculinity/
http://www.rebellesociety.com/2017/01/3 ... argie-men/
http://www.rebellesociety.com/2017/09/1 ... lbut-love/

People change, especially men should understand that nothing is permanent. You experience things apart from your partner and it changes the way you see the world, it’s inevitable that most couples grow apart if BOTH of them didn’t put effort in to save their relationship. Equal effort!

Last thing, Men don’t want ambitious women or they don’t expect them to strive to be better? LOLZ
It might be true for the older men 25+ (one question, why would anyone want to be with a slob anyway?)
20 year old guys are pickier when it comes to girlfriends.
I did some low profile jobs, cleaning, sandwich making and surprise, guys who were intelligent or studying something, didn’t take me seriously. A lot of them asked about my future plans and a year ago I was still figuring out what I wanted, when I said I had no idea and I was doing part time cleaning, they disappeared. The ones who stayed were morons who thought I was unintelligent and I’d happy to have one night stands. Well, they were wrong.

I think there’s hope for men but it takes some time.



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18 Sep 2017, 4:43 pm

I started watching the interview with Esther Vilar. The blond woman in it is SO ANNOYING, she doesn't let her finish one sentence?!
Here's a link instead
http://www.naturalthinker.net/trl/texts ... ed_man.pdf
So far it's a good read!!
Thanks for mentioning it!



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18 Sep 2017, 5:15 pm

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Maybe aspie women really are different?


Not much based on history here, wanderlust for instance doesn't sound that different, no? And you have Katy and her ilk.

Most female aspies aren't much different then there not counterparts with regards to dating. I can think of a few off hand that aren't. Though it might be 50/50



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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Once upon a time before modern conveniences a woman would have had a lot to do at home unless she was rich and hired servants, but they were not the majority.

But the average woman would have had a lot of physical work to do at home. So she wasn't freeloading.

We haven't adapted well to new circumstances weirdly. People just want more and more and bigger and better. People who are satisfied with a simple life are spurned as weirdos.

Just gotta find another person who isn't materialistic to be your partner.

It's more than gender roles. It's a commercialised advertising industry. The whole system is geared towards making people dissatisfied with what they have.

MGTOW philosophy doesn't seem to have a solution to that other than to make women as exhausted as men as they run on the corporate treadmill to seek more and more.


Maybe it's because culture is a by product of our biology, and not the other way around, that's why we don't adapt, or maybe even can't adapt. That the advertising industry should play such a huge role on our mating strategies sounds like an absurd theory to me, and not at all plausible. It seems to me we're just dancing around the elephant in the room at this point, which is biology.

I have to give credit where it's due, I take my hat off to wanderlust. Not only does
she understand how mating actually works, but she has been very open and honest aswell. Look, I totally get why this discussion angers alot of women. I can only speak for myself, but I am not in any way out to harm women or anything like that.

But I think what we've uncovered here, is that the way men and women "love" is completely different. And in my estimation this will not ever ever change. MGTOW is the answer because it advocates that men should choose to follow their heart, instead of slaving away at a job they hate, even if the consequence is that they may not be able earn enough to attract a female.


Previous generations lived much more simple lives. They didn't strive for SUVs and iPhone's for example. We don't need these things but we're bombarded with advertising for them and people fall for it. They really do. Men and women.

When all the working classes were doing similar jobs like miners and factory workers it was probably easier to find a compatible partner because your wife would expect you to stay in that job like all her friend's husbands were staying in their miner for life/factory worker for life type jobs.


What you're saying doesn't add up though. While I agree that on a personal level, men are equally materialistic, when it comes to mate selection, men generally don't care at all about what a woman earns, while it is very important to a woman. Either women are evil, shallow, or just easily influenced by culture. OR, there simply is a biological difference between men and women(hint: hypergamy).


And always does his job get compared to the friends' husbands in the first place, hmm? I so hear of that one too.


Yeah I hear that too. My friend's Mum is always going on at her Dad about how her family have big houses and big cars and why couldn't he have managed to keep a job where he could have earned that much. He seems to be on the spectrum and has difficulty getting along with others in employment so is now self-employed.


I've ask my gf what she would feel if she suddenly earns more than the man, she said that would be better for both. I hope this is the truth.


On the other hand, I recall a date a while ago who asked me the cliché question "Where Do You See Yourself in 5 Years?" and she didn't like my answer because my answer didn't involved a managerial position - I told her that I can't be nor I like to be the Manager type of guy, I am a technical person who excels in doing things with my own hands -
I don't have the patience to delegate and watch, I am more of a loner one-man show person than a team leader, and managerial tasks and meetings bore me.
For her, this is stagnation and not seeking for evolving, even though I told her that I am taking extensive continuity courses to evolved technically.

You know what? I am not a registered user in MGTOW or RD or any of that, but I am certainly a true MGTOW at heart: I refuse that my life to be dictated by ANY one, any woman, even if that will cost me a relationship.


Here's not enough manger positions for everyone. Most my mangers have been women. It's big supply and demand thing. It's impossible for every man to keep working up the career ladder. Each level has less and less positions til the top which just has 1.