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05 Oct 2017, 12:19 pm
Closet Genious wrote:
But there's more to say than that, the question is *why* are females an easier target for advertisers?
Are they? I would rather say, women are more prone to "make yourself better" while men are mor prone to "get more", "gain higher position". Women advertisements are like "after you buy our product you will be perfect", men advertisements are more like "our buyers are the best".
Or maybe this is how I see it.
Closet Genious wrote:
While there are undoubtedly some males that think too highly of themselves, I think that's a bit of an misinterpretation on your part. I think women generally are more willing to follow the rules and social expectations, while men often will question these. Maybe this ties into women's more submissive nature? I think men are generally more individualistic in the way they think. There's a difference between thinking highly of yourself, and not believing that others should have authority over your behaviour. I definitely don't think I am better than others, but I will not follow rules if they don't make sense, "just because someone told me to". Whether I follow a rule or not depends on my own judgement of that rule, not on who said it.
After my visit to Korea I found out there is way more differences between cultures than between genders about this. So it might be one of the "gender" things. (Note: I don't say it is wrong or unimportant, just suppose it can be more cultural than natural)
Also, following your judgement, not who says orders is a very Aspie thing
Closet Genious wrote:
I think being desired is something that is very important for both genders. I am of the opinion that reproduction drives most of our behaviours. The women I have known who said they didn't need men, still went out every weekend looking for one night stands and free drinks. I always found that pretty ironic.
That I call hypocrisy.
Sorry if my spelling is poor, kids are trying to jump on my head.
05 Oct 2017, 12:51 pm
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05 Oct 2017, 1:00 pm
Sigh... I think you ladies are hivemind like the Borg in many ways:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 36705&_rdr
05 Oct 2017, 1:01 pm
magz wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
But there's more to say than that, the question is *why* are females an easier target for advertisers?
Are they? I would rather say, women are more prone to "make yourself better" while men are mor prone to "get more", "gain higher position". Women advertisements are like "after you buy our product you will be perfect", men advertisements are more like "our buyers are the best".
Or maybe this is how I see it.
Closet Genious wrote:
While there are undoubtedly some males that think too highly of themselves, I think that's a bit of an misinterpretation on your part. I think women generally are more willing to follow the rules and social expectations, while men often will question these. Maybe this ties into women's more submissive nature? I think men are generally more individualistic in the way they think. There's a difference between thinking highly of yourself, and not believing that others should have authority over your behaviour. I definitely don't think I am better than others, but I will not follow rules if they don't make sense, "just because someone told me to". Whether I follow a rule or not depends on my own judgement of that rule, not on who said it.
After my visit to Korea I found out there is way more differences between cultures than between genders about this. So it might be one of the "gender" things. (Note: I don't say it is wrong or unimportant, just suppose it can be more cultural than natural)
Also, following your judgement, not who says orders is a very Aspie thing
Closet Genious wrote:
I think being desired is something that is very important for both genders. I am of the opinion that reproduction drives most of our behaviours. The women I have known who said they didn't need men, still went out every weekend looking for one night stands and free drinks. I always found that pretty ironic.
That I call hypocrisy.
Sorry if my spelling is poor, kids are trying to jump on my head.
I don't know, I can only speculate. It was your point
I'll have to respectfully disagree with the culture arguement, I believe biology shapes behaviour much much more than culture, and I would argue that culture is a by product of biology anyways. I have not seen any culture push gender dynamics away from what I would expect them to be, biologically speaking.
It definitely is an aspie thing too, but males are generally more "lone wolves" than women, which often results in more individualistic thinking. Women are generally more social, and also more conformist.
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05 Oct 2017, 1:33 pm
Since humans have been living in cultures at least since the earliest paleolithic, I'm pretty sure that biology and culture are so entangled in our species, that you cannot really separate them. Humans are made to live in cultures. That's our natural state.
Our biological and cultural dimorphism are no reason for hatered or contempt to anyone unless they personally earn it.
That's my philosophical view on it
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05 Oct 2017, 1:58 pm
magz wrote:
Since humans have been living in cultures at least since the earliest paleolithic, I'm pretty sure that biology and culture are so entangled in our species, that you cannot really separate them. Humans are made to live in cultures. That's our natural state.
Our biological and cultural dymorphism are no reason for hatered or contempt to anyone unless they personally earn it.
That's my philosophical view on it
Our biological and cultural dymorphism are no reason for hatered or contempt to anyone unless they personally earn it.
That's my philosophical view on it
Well I certainly agree with your philosophy.
I am just saying that females and males show similar behavior and dynamic no matter what culture you go to. So biology must be the driving force in my opinion.
I live in one of, if not the most gender equal country in the world. And yet we have fewer females going into STEM fields than in third world countries. It's a feminist arguement, that culture has been holding females back from being scientists and engineers. That obviously cannot be the case because in my culture females are free to do whatever the hell they want, and yet they are less interested in science than women in India.
Point being: If you remove all cultural barriers, the difference between the sexes increases. Culture can cover up our biological differences, but it cannot change it.
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