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07 Nov 2017, 1:00 pm

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This one I just find disturbing , he’s a mutural Match from Pof. She openly admitting she just use guys to get what she wants then throw them away and she’s a therapist

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I'm a mental health therapist who also does drug and alcohol counseling. I was in the Marines and my ultimate goal is to work with veterans and their family so I can continue to help support my fellow service members! I'm not interested in sex at all. So don't bother. I am vapid and shallow, so if you don't look up to my standards, I'll just lie to you to get what I want till I've grown bored of you. I will not be your romantic partner AND therapist! I'm not going to talk to you like you are a client, but realize that I am knowledgeable and I can't/won't dumb myself down to appease someone so their frail or delicate ego isn't hurt. I want to be able to have a logical conversation with my partner. I also want to be able to relax at the end of the day and be able to laugh with my partner.


Both this woman and the one in your original post are being honest. They have demands and they are saying openly what those demands are.

Everyone has demands of their potential partner, it might be that they are always available, that they are faithful, that they buy them stuff, that they want children, whatever, everybody has demands. Unlike most people, male and female, these two are being honest and open about their demands.

You don't like those demands, that's ok, just appreciate they were upfront about them instead of them wasting peoples time. :)


So you’re fine with women using guys they have no interest in solely to get as much out of them as they can then throw them away?

Would you equally be ok with men using women they don’t like romantically for sex why pretending to like them then dropping them when they get bored with the sex?



First of all, no, it is not fine to use people for any reason, but she is not saying she wants to do that, she is admitting that is what she will end up doing if a man tries to date her expecting her to behave like his therapist, she is admitting a fault in herself. I expect that is how it has gone in the past.


If all the men using women and women using men said so upfront, I would be delighted because I could avoid them.
Unfortunately 99% of them don't, which is why I don't use dating sights even though In theory they are logical because I know I am not everybodys cup of tea, they are full of lies. Which is the point I was really making, these women are at least honest.


Do you prefer dishonest ones? :o


Why have you suggested that I have double standards. Please show ANY example of my having used them.

No that’s. It what she’s saying she’s said that after and it’s not connected. She said if you don’t meet my standards(looks, personality income etc) that she’ll use you anyways to get what she wants til she gets bored(your use drys up). So basically sshes going use guys for money until they broke and throw them away, as she said she doesn’t want sex, so that leaves use pretty much being money and objects, favors.
Then she said she won’t be someone’s therapist and bf and then goes on to describe that more. The two aren’t connected.

It’s be like me saying if you message me and I don’t find you attractive I’ll just use you for sex til I’m bored then dump you.

It’s good she was honest so people can avoid her like the plague, doesn’t change she’s a horrible person.
If if racist is honest he’s still a racist and horrible person. Anyone who’d use someone uglier or unattractive for monetary, sexual, or favor gain then drop them like a bag of poop as soon as that drys up is horrible person.

I could have done that, there’s been a few women I didn’t find attractive for sex and cuddles. But I’m not w horrible person, I don’t habe it in me to use and hurt people and hurt people she will and then they’ll likely need therapy but won’t seek it cause she’s a therapist so they won’t trust therapist anymore. Quite frankly makes me wonder how many therapists are narcissistic and cruel like her. Maybe that’s why they were never helpful to me.



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07 Nov 2017, 1:06 pm

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Anyone defending that mental health therapist.... wow.

That person is just an as*hole. I don’t like the idea of a person like that having access to vulnerable people.

You can not want to date people without intending to use them then throw them away. Disgusting that someone that manipulate and abusive is caring for people with such delicate an volatile problems.

Glad we agree on something. That’s why I posted it mainly. I’m horrified someone who’d use and hurt another person for nothing other then wanting love and finding her physical and mentally attractive, is then allowed to interact with hurt abused people as a therapist.



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07 Nov 2017, 1:09 pm

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^ I'm a big fan of that comic! It speaks volumes. I'm often reminded of it when people say "Why didn't you become an engineer like me?" Maybe because I grew up in an impoverished craphole slum and went to a bad school. People say to me "You would be an accountant like me if only you had worked hard". Maybe my crappy childhood effected me in other ways.

I think that I did pretty good to even get into the lower-middle class considering how impoverished my childhood was. Yet some people still expect me to get into the upper-middle class? Aren't I good enough yet?

Yes I know some people go from being poor to being millionaires and that's great. What that comic really illustrates is what their kids are like.

I've met people who's parents went from rags to riches and then wanted to give their kids a better childhood than they had. Yet their kids ended up being spoiled brats.

Their parents went from rags to riches and their kids think these qualities somehow rubbed off on them when they actually have the opposite qualities.

Their parents are highly independent and their kids are highly dependent. They don't seem to realise this.


Craphole schools still produce outstanding students. I went to the worst school in my city. Lots of doctors in my year.

Rags to riches people often don’t know how to raise children, they want them to have a better life so they lavish gifts on them, and don’t discipline them, and it actually ruins them.

Most people’s parents don’t pay for university, either. You really have to be upper upper middle class for that.

My sister went to my school, paid for her own university, worked $4 per hour jobs, and still managed to become someone very high up at the ministry of defence.

It’s extremely possible to come from a lower or middle class and have a fantastic life with hard work.

I can understand that comic in non western countries, but rich and developed countries have a huge range of assistance available for its citizens.


Rags to riches stories are common because rags to rags doesn't make for a good story. Rags to riches is extremely possible but it's hardly probable.

Ordinary folks like me and many others here just don't have the stamina to be good students while working full time jobs. Fatigue makes for a poor student, at least in my case.

The prevalence of these stories combined with survivorship bias prevents society from dealing with the very real and measurable problem of the intergenerational poverty cycle.

Anyway, there may have been lots of doctors in your year but that's a very small sample size. I went to a craphole school too. Guess how many doctors were in my year. Go on. Guess.


Exactly.

Some of us aren't capable of working 60+ hours a week and going to school full time.

Additionally, when climbing the career ladder, "networking" is one of the most important skills one can have, and also one in which Aspies are sorely lacking. I know plenty of hard-working people who never became rich.


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07 Nov 2017, 1:18 pm

SLY, forgot number bit sorry.
I honestly don't read her post the same way you do, admittedly I'm not good at guessing what people really mean so we'll have to agree to disagree.
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07 Nov 2017, 1:26 pm

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^ I'm a big fan of that comic! It speaks volumes. I'm often reminded of it when people say "Why didn't you become an engineer like me?" Maybe because I grew up in an impoverished craphole slum and went to a bad school. People say to me "You would be an accountant like me if only you had worked hard". Maybe my crappy childhood effected me in other ways.

I think that I did pretty good to even get into the lower-middle class considering how impoverished my childhood was. Yet some people still expect me to get into the upper-middle class? Aren't I good enough yet?

Yes I know some people go from being poor to being millionaires and that's great. What that comic really illustrates is what their kids are like.

I've met people who's parents went from rags to riches and then wanted to give their kids a better childhood than they had. Yet their kids ended up being spoiled brats.

Their parents went from rags to riches and their kids think these qualities somehow rubbed off on them when they actually have the opposite qualities.

Their parents are highly independent and their kids are highly dependent. They don't seem to realise this.


Craphole schools still produce outstanding students. I went to the worst school in my city. Lots of doctors in my year.

Rags to riches people often don’t know how to raise children, they want them to have a better life so they lavish gifts on them, and don’t discipline them, and it actually ruins them.

Most people’s parents don’t pay for university, either. You really have to be upper upper middle class for that.

My sister went to my school, paid for her own university, worked $4 per hour jobs, and still managed to become someone very high up at the ministry of defence.

It’s extremely possible to come from a lower or middle class and have a fantastic life with hard work.

I can understand that comic in non western countries, but rich and developed countries have a huge range of assistance available for its citizens.


Rags to riches stories are common because rags to rags doesn't make for a good story. Rags to riches is extremely possible but it's hardly probable.

Ordinary folks like me and many others here just don't have the stamina to be good students while working full time jobs. Fatigue makes for a poor student, at least in my case.

The prevalence of these stories combined with survivorship bias prevents society from dealing with the very real and measurable problem of the intergenerational poverty cycle.

Anyway, there may have been lots of doctors in your year but that's a very small sample size. I went to a craphole school too. Guess how many doctors were in my year. Go on. Guess.


Exactly.

Some of us aren't capable of working 60+ hours a week and going to school full time.

Additionally, when climbing the career ladder, "networking" is one of the most important skills one can have, and also one in which Aspies are sorely lacking. I know plenty of hard-working people who never became rich.

I’ve been told by a bunch of successful people in high position that you have to break policies, rules, laws, hurt people, take advantage of people. It’s a dog eat dog world if you want to climb the ladder and be successful. They pointed to my morals as why I’m not successful. I won’t do any of that to get ahead in life, I won’t betray a coworker to look good and get promoted, I won’t break laws to increase profits and sales. I won’t lie to people either. Example if a product is crap I’m going tell the customer and recommend a better one. If they still want it I’ll sale it, but I won’t lie and push a crappy product so the company can make money and get rid of it. Luckily my manager doesn’t want us to lie, he wants us to be honest so the customers know they can trust us and come back over and over.
My neighbor runs garage sales and swindles people all the time, I’ve heard stories from friends who bought stuff and he himself tells me. Like one time he bought stuff from someone dirt cheap by lying and telling them it’s illegal to own so you better get rid of it.
It’s usua the cut throat people who get ahead in life, it is no wonder why ceos are all cut throat and only care about profits.



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07 Nov 2017, 3:38 pm

sly279 wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
^ I'm a big fan of that comic! It speaks volumes. I'm often reminded of it when people say "Why didn't you become an engineer like me?" Maybe because I grew up in an impoverished craphole slum and went to a bad school. People say to me "You would be an accountant like me if only you had worked hard". Maybe my crappy childhood effected me in other ways.

I think that I did pretty good to even get into the lower-middle class considering how impoverished my childhood was. Yet some people still expect me to get into the upper-middle class? Aren't I good enough yet?

Yes I know some people go from being poor to being millionaires and that's great. What that comic really illustrates is what their kids are like.

I've met people who's parents went from rags to riches and then wanted to give their kids a better childhood than they had. Yet their kids ended up being spoiled brats.

Their parents went from rags to riches and their kids think these qualities somehow rubbed off on them when they actually have the opposite qualities.

Their parents are highly independent and their kids are highly dependent. They don't seem to realise this.


Craphole schools still produce outstanding students. I went to the worst school in my city. Lots of doctors in my year.

Rags to riches people often don’t know how to raise children, they want them to have a better life so they lavish gifts on them, and don’t discipline them, and it actually ruins them.

Most people’s parents don’t pay for university, either. You really have to be upper upper middle class for that.

My sister went to my school, paid for her own university, worked $4 per hour jobs, and still managed to become someone very high up at the ministry of defence.

It’s extremely possible to come from a lower or middle class and have a fantastic life with hard work.

I can understand that comic in non western countries, but rich and developed countries have a huge range of assistance available for its citizens.


Rags to riches stories are common because rags to rags doesn't make for a good story. Rags to riches is extremely possible but it's hardly probable.

Ordinary folks like me and many others here just don't have the stamina to be good students while working full time jobs. Fatigue makes for a poor student, at least in my case.

The prevalence of these stories combined with survivorship bias prevents society from dealing with the very real and measurable problem of the intergenerational poverty cycle.

Anyway, there may have been lots of doctors in your year but that's a very small sample size. I went to a craphole school too. Guess how many doctors were in my year. Go on. Guess.


Exactly.

Some of us aren't capable of working 60+ hours a week and going to school full time.

Additionally, when climbing the career ladder, "networking" is one of the most important skills one can have, and also one in which Aspies are sorely lacking. I know plenty of hard-working people who never became rich.

I’ve been told by a bunch of successful people in high position that you have to break policies, rules, laws, hurt people, take advantage of people. It’s a dog eat dog world if you want to climb the ladder and be successful. They pointed to my morals as why I’m not successful. I won’t do any of that to get ahead in life, I won’t betray a coworker to look good and get promoted, I won’t break laws to increase profits and sales. I won’t lie to people either. Example if a product is crap I’m going tell the customer and recommend a better one. If they still want it I’ll sale it, but I won’t lie and push a crappy product so the company can make money and get rid of it. Luckily my manager doesn’t want us to lie, he wants us to be honest so the customers know they can trust us and come back over and over.
My neighbor runs garage sales and swindles people all the time, I’ve heard stories from friends who bought stuff and he himself tells me. Like one time he bought stuff from someone dirt cheap by lying and telling them it’s illegal to own so you better get rid of it.
It’s usua the cut throat people who get ahead in life, it is no wonder why ceos are all cut throat and only care about profits.

Well I am the same way and that's good but for me I often take it to the extreme and I wish I didn't. For example I probably could have gotten that job at the pet store if I hadn't said that I couldn't lift over a certain number of pounds because that's one of the requirements they were looking for. How often would I have had to lift by myself anyway? If I needed help I probably could have asked someone.
I also wish that when someone scams me I could just take the money back from them. Now that has to do with not having hacking abilities and not just being an honest person but still... Also I would have never gotten scammed probably if I hadn't expressed that I was poor or been so transparent in my tone about how desperate I was.
I also hold my bladder at work often because I don't want to have to ask anybody to tie my apron.
But I digress. It is good to be an honest person. I just think that in my case I need to be able to pull back and break the rules once in a while.. I have tried to be more relaxed. Sometimes when there is nobody there I will go on my phone when we're not supposed to but it's not to do anything fun..it's to try and earn more money. I work too hard even when I'm technically breaking the rules and the worst part is when I told my boss that I do surveys for extra money (no I didn't tell him I did them at work) he says they use it to collect your information and spam you.
Even the games I play lately are to earn points towards money and I wonder if it's even worth it because the tablet I am doing it on costs 10 dollars a month for the data connection.



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07 Nov 2017, 4:39 pm

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Some of us aren't capable of working 60+ hours a week and going to school full time.

Yep. Why don't some people get this? If you're poor and living on a full time minimum wage job, some people expect you to keep working that full time minimum wage job and study for a bachelor degree in a high paying field at the same time!

And then after you graduate, they'll tell you to get a master's degree because "everyone has a bachelor degree".

This type of thinking is alarmingly prevalent in our culture. It's become an expectation. Whatever happened to balance?

Why do some people not understand that some people can't work / study 16 hours per week, 7 days per week?

Maybe hale_bopp's sister could do it. For some that is not the path to success, it's the path to guaranteed burnout.


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07 Nov 2017, 7:02 pm

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Some of us aren't capable of working 60+ hours a week and going to school full time.

Yep. Why don't some people get this? If you're poor and living on a full time minimum wage job, some people expect you to keep working that full time minimum wage job and study for a bachelor degree in a high paying field at the same time!

And then after you graduate, they'll tell you to get a master's degree because "everyone has a bachelor degree".

This type of thinking is alarmingly prevalent in our culture. It's become an expectation. Whatever happened to balance?

Why do some people not understand that some people can't work / study 16 hours per week, 7 days per week?

Maybe hale_bopp's sister could do it. For some that is not the path to success, it's the path to guaranteed burnout.


It's pretty simple, supply and demand...the market will ultimately dictate the value of labor. Companies will live and die by their sword and getting the government to step in will only make it worse for everyone. Hate to break it to you but nobody owes you anything in life just because your parents decided to be irresponsible and have a child in poverty.


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07 Nov 2017, 7:40 pm

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Rags to riches stories are common because rags to rags doesn't make for a good story. Rags to riches is extremely possible but it's hardly probable.

Ordinary folks like me and many others here just don't have the stamina to be good students while working full time jobs. Fatigue makes for a poor student, at least in my case.

The prevalence of these stories combined with survivorship bias prevents society from dealing with the very real and measurable problem of the intergenerational poverty cycle.

Anyway, there may have been lots of doctors in your year but that's a very small sample size. I went to a craphole school too. Guess how many doctors were in my year. Go on. Guess.


No students work full time jobs. Unless it’s over the holidays. It’s normal for students to have part time jobs while studying.

It probably also comes down to your family’s values. My family is not rich, but they put a lot of emphasis on getting an education and getting a decent job, and being a hard worker. Either work for your money or have none. I guess it rubbed off on myself and my sister.

Some not rich families don’t give a crap about any values except drinking and getting knocked up, and getting government money. It’s no surprise their kids turn out to be the same.

Sly’s family probably has a lot to do with his situation.



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07 Nov 2017, 7:51 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
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Rags to riches stories are common because rags to rags doesn't make for a good story. Rags to riches is extremely possible but it's hardly probable.

Ordinary folks like me and many others here just don't have the stamina to be good students while working full time jobs. Fatigue makes for a poor student, at least in my case.

The prevalence of these stories combined with survivorship bias prevents society from dealing with the very real and measurable problem of the intergenerational poverty cycle.

Anyway, there may have been lots of doctors in your year but that's a very small sample size. I went to a craphole school too. Guess how many doctors were in my year. Go on. Guess.


No students work full time jobs. Unless it’s over the holidays. It’s normal for students to have part time jobs while studying.

It probably also comes down to your family’s values. My family is not rich, but they put a lot of emphasis on getting an education and getting a decent job, and being a hard worker. Either work for your money or have none. I guess it rubbed off on myself and my sister.

Some not rich families don’t give a crap about any values except drinking and getting knocked up, and getting government money. It’s no surprise their kids turn out to be the same.

Sly’s family probably has a lot to do with his situation.


You are so sheltered if you believe all poor people are lazy alcoholics and wealthy folk are all honest and hard-working. Once again you make it patently obvious how much contempt you have for those less well-off than yourself.



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07 Nov 2017, 8:37 pm

Not everyone has excellent parents like you did hale_bopp. Some people are raised by clueless parents.

There are many people less fortunate than myself and I don't expect them to pull themselves out of poverty by their own bootstraps.

I used to be on welfare. For that I make no apologies. I used welfare as a launchpad for my current career. The second hand suit I wore to the job interview was bought using welfare money. I lived on welfare while I completed my IT certificate at TAFE.

If I had even been working part time, it would have been very difficult for me to get that certificate. I don't have unlimited energy.

If I had gone to that job interview without descent clothes, they might have turned me away.

If I thought the world doesn't owe me anything and never claimed welfare, I would still be unemployed.

So I disagree with people who say welfare should be eliminated so that unemployed will suddenly decide to get jobs. It doesn't work like that.

If someone is happy and well fed and well clothed and not worrying about how they're going to pay their overdue electricity bill, they can study effectively or they can ace a job interview.

So rather than telling the poor that if they work hard, everything will magical be ok, I would advise them to use welfare as a launchpad to a new career as I did.


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07 Nov 2017, 9:17 pm

Sabreclaw wrote:
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Rags to riches stories are common because rags to rags doesn't make for a good story. Rags to riches is extremely possible but it's hardly probable.

Ordinary folks like me and many others here just don't have the stamina to be good students while working full time jobs. Fatigue makes for a poor student, at least in my case.

The prevalence of these stories combined with survivorship bias prevents society from dealing with the very real and measurable problem of the intergenerational poverty cycle.

Anyway, there may have been lots of doctors in your year but that's a very small sample size. I went to a craphole school too. Guess how many doctors were in my year. Go on. Guess.


No students work full time jobs. Unless it’s over the holidays. It’s normal for students to have part time jobs while studying.

It probably also comes down to your family’s values. My family is not rich, but they put a lot of emphasis on getting an education and getting a decent job, and being a hard worker. Either work for your money or have none. I guess it rubbed off on myself and my sister.

Some not rich families don’t give a crap about any values except drinking and getting knocked up, and getting government money. It’s no surprise their kids turn out to be the same.

Sly’s family probably has a lot to do with his situation.


You are so sheltered if you believe all poor people are lazy alcoholics and wealthy folk are all honest and hard-working. Once again you make it patently obvious how much contempt you have for those less well-off than yourself.


What are you even talking about? Pretty sure I didn’t say either of those things.



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Not everyone has excellent parents like you did hale_bopp. Some people are raised by clueless parents.

There are many people less fortunate than myself and I don't expect them to pull themselves out of poverty by their own bootstraps.

I used to be on welfare. For that I make no apologies. I used welfare as a launchpad for my current career. The second hand suit I wore to the job interview was bought using welfare money. I lived on welfare while I completed my IT certificate at TAFE.

If I had even been working part time, it would have been very difficult for me to get that certificate. I don't have unlimited energy.

If I had gone to that job interview without descent clothes, they might have turned me away.

If I thought the world doesn't owe me anything and never claimed welfare, I would still be unemployed.

So I disagree with people who say welfare should be eliminated so that unemployed will suddenly decide to get jobs. It doesn't work like that.

If someone is happy and well fed and well clothed and not worrying about how they're going to pay their overdue electricity bill, they can study effectively or they can ace a job interview.

So rather than telling the poor that if they work hard, everything will magical be ok, I would advise them to use welfare as a launchpad to a new career as I did.


I wasn’t implying welfare isn’t necessary. I was basically saying what you said. If you’re born to useless parents you’re at an immediate disadvantage.

I’ve been on welfare for a short period of time when I was unemployed, and got harassed and screamed at by my family until I got off it. I’d sooner live on the street than go on it again.

I really don’t know where you’re pulling this anti welfare argument from, and why you think I apparently think welfare is unnecessary, though there are people who get “comfortable” on welfare when they could try, and it’s usually people whose family doesn’t give a s**t.



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07 Nov 2017, 9:30 pm

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Either work for your money or have none. I guess it rubbed off on myself and my sister.

If those who aren't working have no money then presumably they're not getting any from welfare.

That was why I thought you were against welfare.


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