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09 Nov 2018, 7:25 am

Maybe it's not "bigotry against involuntarily celibate men", as much as intolerance of misogyny and chauvinism, and impatience with learned helplessness, self pity, and jealousy.



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09 Nov 2018, 7:33 am

Incel because of ugly face and ectomorph physique?
Nope.
Are you so socially isolated that you don't notice actual guys in relationships are rarely significantly handsome at all? Some are but plenty are not. It's not a deal breaker.

If you want a relationship, accept that women are humans too. They have feelings. Most of them want primarily a good time with their partner - which may mean different things to different women but it almost always boils down to enjoying spending time together.
If you are not interested in complexity of human relationships, being just hungry for sex, why not hire a prostitute?


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09 Nov 2018, 7:51 am

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Incel because of ugly face and ectomorph physique?
Nope.
Are you so socially isolated that you don't notice actual guys in relationships are rarely significantly handsome at all? Some are but plenty are not. It's not a deal breaker.

If you want a relationship, accept that women are humans too. They have feelings. Most of them want primarily a good time with their partner - which may mean different things to different women but it almost always boils down to enjoying spending time together.
If you are not interested in complexity of human relationships, being just hungry for sex, why not hire a prostitute?


- Why are you assuming he's just after sex? What was the in Aspie19828 's posts that show that he doesn't want something further than sex in a relationship?
- There's a huge difference between being regular/plain looking and hideous looking, if you're hideous almost everyone of the opposite sex will agree that's you're hideous, this is a collective issue and human nature. It will be far harder for the hideous to form relationships.
- Don't forget autism as well.

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accept that women are humans too. They have feelings.


Since they are humans too, then they have eyes as well.



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09 Nov 2018, 7:55 am

Piobaire wrote:
Maybe it's not "bigotry against involuntarily celibate men", as much as intolerance of misogyny and chauvinism, and impatience with learned helplessness, self pity, and jealousy.

Interesting that you would conclude that any man who is involuntary celibate necessarily holds misogynistic or chauvinistic views. I can understand impatience with those unwilling to make changes, but depression seems like the most common trajectory for people who are unable to pair up at all despite the desire being present for a long period of time. If you can't empathize with that depression, consider yourself privileged.



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09 Nov 2018, 7:58 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
Piobaire wrote:
Maybe it's not "bigotry against involuntarily celibate men", as much as intolerance of misogyny and chauvinism, and impatience with learned helplessness, self pity, and jealousy.

Interesting that you would conclude that any man who is involuntary celibate necessarily holds misogynistic or chauvinistic views. I can understand impatience with those unwilling to make changes, but depression seems like the most common trajectory for people who are unable to pair up at all despite the desire being present for a long period of time. If you can't empathize with that depression, consider yourself privileged.


Exactly, I cannot believe the unfairness and the presumptuous attitudes of users here like Piobaire and magz, ....seriously what's wrong with you?

You guys are really proving the thread's title.



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09 Nov 2018, 8:05 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Piobaire wrote:
Maybe it's not "bigotry against involuntarily celibate men", as much as intolerance of misogyny and chauvinism, and impatience with learned helplessness, self pity, and jealousy.

Interesting that you would conclude that any man who is involuntary celibate necessarily holds misogynistic or chauvinistic views. I can understand impatience with those unwilling to make changes, but depression seems like the most common trajectory for people who are unable to pair up at all despite the desire being present for a long period of time. If you can't empathize with that depression, consider yourself privileged.


Exactly, I cannot believe the unfairness and the presumptuous attitudes of users here like Piobaire and magz, ....seriously what's wrong with you?

You guys are really proving the thread's title.

I think you may have neglected to read part of magz's post. She mentioned relationships too. She didn't just assume that all incels only want sex.



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09 Nov 2018, 8:10 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
Piobaire wrote:
Maybe it's not "bigotry against involuntarily celibate men", as much as intolerance of misogyny and chauvinism, and impatience with learned helplessness, self pity, and jealousy.

Interesting that you would conclude that any man who is involuntary celibate necessarily holds misogynistic or chauvinistic views. I can understand impatience with those unwilling to make changes, but depression seems like the most common trajectory for people who are unable to pair up at all despite the desire being present for a long period of time. If you can't empathize with that depression, consider yourself privileged.


Exactly, I cannot believe the unfairness and the presumptuous attitudes of users here like Piobaire and magz, ....seriously what's wrong with you?

You guys are really proving the thread's title.

I think you may have neglected to read part of magz's post. She mentioned relationships too. She didn't just assume that all incels only want sex.


She assumed that about aspieSomenumber :

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f you are not interested in complexity of human relationships, being just hungry for sex, why not hire a prostitute?



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09 Nov 2018, 8:15 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
Piobaire wrote:
Maybe it's not "bigotry against involuntarily celibate men", as much as intolerance of misogyny and chauvinism, and impatience with learned helplessness, self pity, and jealousy.

Interesting that you would conclude that any man who is involuntary celibate necessarily holds misogynistic or chauvinistic views. I can understand impatience with those unwilling to make changes, but depression seems like the most common trajectory for people who are unable to pair up at all despite the desire being present for a long period of time. If you can't empathize with that depression, consider yourself privileged.


Exactly, I cannot believe the unfairness and the presumptuous attitudes of users here like Piobaire and magz, ....seriously what's wrong with you?

You guys are really proving the thread's title.

I think you may have neglected to read part of magz's post. She mentioned relationships too. She didn't just assume that all incels only want sex.


She assumed that about aspieSomenumber :

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f you are not interested in complexity of human relationships, being just hungry for sex, why not hire a prostitute?

She said 'if you're not interested in the complexity...' but she only said that after saying 'if you want a relationship...' and outlined her advice on that. I dont feel that Magz is showing incel men contempt, but contempt comes through loud and clear in Piobaire's comment.



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09 Nov 2018, 8:16 am

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More guys need to embrace being an incel, if they are incels. I accepted at a young age of 16 I will be forever alone! I am proud to be an incel. There is nothing I can do to change things, my ugly face is repulsive to women. Personality, charm, wit, etc are not enough if you are unlucky to have an ugly face.



Just use Single, don't ever use the incel label because people would assume you frequent these forums and associate you with mass shooters. The incel label is tainted forever.



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09 Nov 2018, 8:18 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
Piobaire wrote:
Maybe it's not "bigotry against involuntarily celibate men", as much as intolerance of misogyny and chauvinism, and impatience with learned helplessness, self pity, and jealousy.

Interesting that you would conclude that any man who is involuntary celibate necessarily holds misogynistic or chauvinistic views. I can understand impatience with those unwilling to make changes, but depression seems like the most common trajectory for people who are unable to pair up at all despite the desire being present for a long period of time. If you can't empathize with that depression, consider yourself privileged.


Exactly, I cannot believe the unfairness and the presumptuous attitudes of users here like Piobaire and magz, ....seriously what's wrong with you?

You guys are really proving the thread's title.

I think you may have neglected to read part of magz's post. She mentioned relationships too. She didn't just assume that all incels only want sex.


She assumed that about aspieSomenumber :

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f you are not interested in complexity of human relationships, being just hungry for sex, why not hire a prostitute?

She said 'if you're not interested in the complexity...' but she only said that after saying 'if you want a relationship...' and outlined her advice on that. I dont feel that Magz is showing incel men contempt, but contempt comes through loud and clear in Piobaire's comment.


Oh, i really lost focus and misread that.

That what happens when you're eating shawarma and browsing on the same time.



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09 Nov 2018, 8:49 am

Magz is a woman of intelligence, and of moderate opinions.

Like I said, I wouldn't make use of the "incel" name.....it's been tainted by certain people on certain websites, and the actions of some of these people.



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09 Nov 2018, 8:55 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
Piobaire wrote:
Maybe it's not "bigotry against involuntarily celibate men", as much as intolerance of misogyny and chauvinism, and impatience with learned helplessness, self pity, and jealousy.

Interesting that you would conclude that any man who is involuntary celibate necessarily holds misogynistic or chauvinistic views. I can understand impatience with those unwilling to make changes, but depression seems like the most common trajectory for people who are unable to pair up at all despite the desire being present for a long period of time. If you can't empathize with that depression, consider yourself privileged.


Exactly, I cannot believe the unfairness and the presumptuous attitudes of users here like Piobaire and magz, ....seriously what's wrong with you?

You guys are really proving the thread's title.


What's wrong with me is the numerous posts by incels I've read on this forum, including several on this tread.



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09 Nov 2018, 10:07 am

Thanks for helping with interpretation of my post. Yes, I was considering two possibilities: 1) wanting a relationship with a woman; 2) wanting just sex. They lead to different advice.

I disagree with Boo's opinion on looks. I have some male friends of whom I think they are positively ugly and almost all of them are in long-term relationships now. Of course being handsome helps but being ugly is not a deal breaker if someone has other qualities more important for a given woman.

I didn't even know the word "incel" before joining this thread and I sympathize with guys (and girls) who can't find someone for them. It's just my mind looking for solutions, trying to identify obstacles and remove them if possible.


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09 Nov 2018, 4:53 pm

magz wrote:
Thanks for helping with interpretation of my post. Yes, I was considering two possibilities: 1) wanting a relationship with a woman; 2) wanting just sex. They lead to different advice.

I disagree with Boo's opinion on looks. I have some male friends of whom I think they are positively ugly and almost all of them are in long-term relationships now. Of course being handsome helps but being ugly is not a deal breaker if someone has other qualities more important for a given woman.

I didn't even know the word "incel" before joining this thread and I sympathize with guys (and girls) who can't find someone for them. It's just my mind looking for solutions, trying to identify obstacles and remove them if possible.


Contra Points (a wonderful and insightful Youtuber that I follow) made a great video on incels that helps explain the phenomenon, if you're interested in learning more:



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09 Nov 2018, 5:58 pm

Piobaire wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
Piobaire wrote:
Maybe it's not "bigotry against involuntarily celibate men", as much as intolerance of misogyny and chauvinism, and impatience with learned helplessness, self pity, and jealousy.

Interesting that you would conclude that any man who is involuntary celibate necessarily holds misogynistic or chauvinistic views. I can understand impatience with those unwilling to make changes, but depression seems like the most common trajectory for people who are unable to pair up at all despite the desire being present for a long period of time. If you can't empathize with that depression, consider yourself privileged.


Exactly, I cannot believe the unfairness and the presumptuous attitudes of users here like Piobaire and magz, ....seriously what's wrong with you?

You guys are really proving the thread's title.


What's wrong with me is the numerous posts by incels I've read on this forum, including several on this tread.

If you'd care to point to posts made in this thread that you take an issue with, it would be easier to understand where your objections are.



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09 Nov 2018, 6:40 pm

Aspie19828 wrote:
More guys need to embrace being an incel, if they are incels. I accepted at a young age of 16 I will be forever alone! I am proud to be an incel. There is nothing I can do to change things, my ugly face is repulsive to women. Personality, charm, wit, etc are not enough if you are unlucky to have an ugly face.


Obsessing over your situation is not going to make anything better, it will only make things worse. Becoming bitter and spiteful will not help your situation, it is detrimental to it. Modifying one's behavior and condemning oneself to a fate will only serve to make that fate become a reality. Consuming confirmation biased media will only lead to a more extreme outlook on your situation. It is not black and white, there is plenty of gray.


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