05 Oct 2007, 4:10 pm
shadexiii wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Nope. All I did is utter and explain them. That's all that's necessary, apparently, to send you into a perfect tizzy. Even now, still, you're trying to muzzle my beliefs by accusing me of (gasp) stating them.
So I should just stop posting...since anything I say is an attempt to "muzzle" your beliefs?
Hmmm...now that's interesting.
You're learning the concept of "mutual exclusivity", or the Law of Non-contradiction if you wish.
05 Oct 2007, 4:11 pm
05 Oct 2007, 4:12 pm
shadexiii wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
shadexiii wrote:
You can hold a belief, hear another, and say you find your beliefs to be better suited for you.
But with deep beliefs, one doesn't truly believe those beliefs are merely "better suited" to him.
Rather, such a person believes his deepest beliefs are true. Else, they're not deep beliefs.
You can hold them to be true without passing judgment, no?
Hmmm, since you're the one who passed judgment on me, by claiming I was passing judgment by stating my beliefs, you tell me. Can a Christian, oh great shadexiii, state his beliefs without passing judgment on others? I'll not know until you answer, since you are the great arbiter of such weighty matters.
05 Oct 2007, 4:14 pm
05 Oct 2007, 4:15 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Hmmm, since you're the one who passed judgment on me, by claiming I was passing judgment by stating my beliefs, you tell me. Can a Christian, oh great shadexiii, state his beliefs without passing judgment on others? I'll not know until you answer, since you are the great arbiter of such weighty matters.
I'm just stating what your faith says. The way in which you have stated your beliefs suggests an intolerance for other beliefs. I'd call that judgmental.
Did I judge you? Sure, why not. We can say that. I'm not a Christian, so I don't have to bother with your rules.
Thanks for playing.
05 Oct 2007, 4:15 pm
05 Oct 2007, 4:16 pm
05 Oct 2007, 4:23 pm
shadexiii wrote:
I'm just stating what your faith says. The way in which you have stated your beliefs suggests an intolerance for other beliefs. I'd call that judgmental.
Exactly, that is why I believe Ragtime's idea of what a "True" Christian is, is wrong. (Then he was judging me and saying I am atheist
)
05 Oct 2007, 4:31 pm
Ragtime wrote:
juliekitty wrote:
shadexiii wrote:
don't speak down to others for holding different beliefs.
That goes with him everywhere he goes, too.
"Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogance come out of your mouth: for the Lord is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed." 1 Samuel 2:3
Oh no!
Bible scholar julie kitty is upon me! Why don't you follow that verse, and stop pridefully condemning me for explaining that I am a Christian?
For explaining your own belief in an arrogant way, condemning others who don't follow it, which I know is a strong belief, but it is a belief after all. That would be the correct term.
05 Oct 2007, 4:44 pm
shadexiii wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Hmmm, since you're the one who passed judgment on me, by claiming I was passing judgment by stating my beliefs, you tell me. Can a Christian, oh great shadexiii, state his beliefs without passing judgment on others? I'll not know until you answer, since you are the great arbiter of such weighty matters.
I'm just stating what your faith says. The way in which you have stated your beliefs suggests an intolerance for other beliefs.
No, Jesus said He is the truth (John 14:6), which logically excludes all others. (He didn't say, "I'm am a truth.") Therefore, according to Him, everything contrary to Him being the Son of God and the only way to have eternal life is false. He said it.
shadexiii wrote:
I'd call that judgmental.
Then you're being judgmental. And if you don't think being judgmental is wrong, then don't bring it up as an accusation you pretend to be oh-so-*concerned* about. Pft... You're such a faker.
05 Oct 2007, 4:53 pm
Ragtime wrote:
shadexiii wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Hmmm, since you're the one who passed judgment on me, by claiming I was passing judgment by stating my beliefs, you tell me. Can a Christian, oh great shadexiii, state his beliefs without passing judgment on others? I'll not know until you answer, since you are the great arbiter of such weighty matters.
I'm just stating what your faith says. The way in which you have stated your beliefs suggests an intolerance for other beliefs.
No, Jesus said He is the truth (John 14:6), which logically excludes all others. (He didn't say, "I'm am a truth.") Therefore, according to Him, everything contrary to Him being the Son of God and the only way to have eternal life is false. He said it.
*yawn*
Already covered this, if you believe in God, then yes, God can be judgmental. Not man. You're referencing Jesus here...which isn't surprising seeing how you try to emulate that whole savior business.
Ragtime wrote:
shadexiii wrote:
I'd call that judgmental.
Then you're being judgmental. And if you don't think being judgmental is wrong, then don't bring it up as an accusation you pretend to be oh-so-*concerned* about. Pft... You're such a faker.
What, you don't like being held up to the rules you set for yourself when declaring you're a Christian?
You can whine about it all you want, I don't have to play by your rules, but if you want to be viewed as the great Christian you claim to be, you ought to at least follow them yourself.
05 Oct 2007, 5:00 pm
Ragtime wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
calandale wrote:
Hell, he doesn't buy that Catholics can
be Christian.
be Christian.
I wouldn't say that, some of them could be. But praying to the "Saints and Mary" has sure got to count against them in the long run.
Cal misquoted me anyway, but what else is new?
I clearly said that I'm quite sure some Catholics are saved. (Nice job, cal. Wanna try getting one right now?)No. I didn't 'misquote' you. I was just relying
upon my memory of your Catholic bashing
threads, from eras past.
05 Oct 2007, 5:02 pm
05 Oct 2007, 5:06 pm
05 Oct 2007, 5:12 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Cal saying that my "kind of attitude caused the 30 years war" is an irresponsibly reckless claim, unworthy of his intellect.
See above. Certainty is danger.
Quote:
To you and him, me thinking I'm right is a high crime. Insanity, anyone?
Insanity, anyone?High crime? No. Delusion which could be dangerous.
Not in your hands, but in the hands of people like
George W., 'tis. We HAVE to get away from voting
such assuredness into power. Sadly, the sheep like
it - it looks strong.
Quote:
(Here's a little secret: Most people think they're right.)
You seem to go beyond some suspicion, into the realm
of claiming personal contact with God. That's gotta be
pretty close to KNOWING. Given the ideas of subservience
that you hold, and if you believed that they should apply to
everyone, one immediately sees the danger of such people
being in ANY position of power.
I think the Romans had it right, back when Christians
were forbidden from holding office. Their own approaches
were fundamentally pragmatic.
05 Oct 2007, 5:13 pm
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