19 Jun 2011, 7:26 pm
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19 Jun 2011, 7:57 pm
cdfox7 wrote:
In the context of the discussion where do you wish to start with Malivolio's comment about relationships in act 2 scene 5 of Twelfth Night or by looking at Caliban from the eyes of both Darwin and Freud the best sources for that IHMO are both act 1 scene 2 and act 4 scene 1 of The Tempest?
Also to note Caliban can be viewed as a physical ugly highly intelligent man of Algerian ancestry, who it has been claimed is an attempted rapist who had a dysfunctional childhood. He received an education from a noble man of the liberal arts.
In the view of calling Caliban a "salvage man" from the sources of inspiration for The Tempest and also IMO the character of Caliban from an evolutionary and colonialism approach it is best to mention Michel de Montaigne's Of the Caniballes. As well Caliban as received Lacanian (well Lacan did say he was Freudian now lol) psychoanalysis from Octave Mannoni in his book Prospero and Caliban: The Psychology of Colonization.
Finally one last fact Robert Browing wrote (published later) Caliban upon Setebos the same year that Darwin published On the Origin of Species
Also to note Caliban can be viewed as a physical ugly highly intelligent man of Algerian ancestry, who it has been claimed is an attempted rapist who had a dysfunctional childhood. He received an education from a noble man of the liberal arts.
In the view of calling Caliban a "salvage man" from the sources of inspiration for The Tempest and also IMO the character of Caliban from an evolutionary and colonialism approach it is best to mention Michel de Montaigne's Of the Caniballes. As well Caliban as received Lacanian (well Lacan did say he was Freudian now lol) psychoanalysis from Octave Mannoni in his book Prospero and Caliban: The Psychology of Colonization.
Finally one last fact Robert Browing wrote (published later) Caliban upon Setebos the same year that Darwin published On the Origin of Species
Interesting, British man. I think neither is the same when I made my first post about that. But I may feel both have similar things to my inner heart. But much more weaker, and more trifling. I would not attempt to do either of them. Actually I didn't.
Interesting note about Caliban. And I am agree with your example on Caliban, Darwin&Freud. Although I was not actually thinking the same thing, I am agree with your interpretation.
For The Tempest. Do you know why it is always the first play in all published Shakespare's collections(if the play has been included, it always so)?
Curious about if you know, or not. If you not, I will tell you tomorrow
If you do, let us discuss it further. 
They are far too vulgar, and I cannot do anything about it, so just let them talking, and I just follow my own road.
'Every opinion based on scientific criticism I welcome. As to prejudices of so-called public opinion, to which I have never made concessions, now as aforetime the maxim of the great Florentine is mine:
"Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." '
Guess please, where it comes from? So obvious, isn't it? I can even recite it!( Not in German, though, but I can read)
19 Jun 2011, 8:06 pm
19 Jun 2011, 8:08 pm
metaphysics wrote:
cdfox7 wrote:
In the context of the discussion where do you wish to start with Malivolio's comment about relationships in act 2 scene 5 of Twelfth Night or by looking at Caliban from the eyes of both Darwin and Freud the best sources for that IHMO are both act 1 scene 2 and act 4 scene 1 of The Tempest?
Also to note Caliban can be viewed as a physical ugly highly intelligent man of Algerian ancestry, who it has been claimed is an attempted rapist who had a dysfunctional childhood. He received an education from a noble man of the liberal arts.
In the view of calling Caliban a "salvage man" from the sources of inspiration for The Tempest and also IMO the character of Caliban from an evolutionary and colonialism approach it is best to mention Michel de Montaigne's Of the Caniballes. As well Caliban as received Lacanian (well Lacan did say he was Freudian now lol) psychoanalysis from Octave Mannoni in his book Prospero and Caliban: The Psychology of Colonization.
Finally one last fact Robert Browing wrote (published later) Caliban upon Setebos the same year that Darwin published On the Origin of Species
Also to note Caliban can be viewed as a physical ugly highly intelligent man of Algerian ancestry, who it has been claimed is an attempted rapist who had a dysfunctional childhood. He received an education from a noble man of the liberal arts.
In the view of calling Caliban a "salvage man" from the sources of inspiration for The Tempest and also IMO the character of Caliban from an evolutionary and colonialism approach it is best to mention Michel de Montaigne's Of the Caniballes. As well Caliban as received Lacanian (well Lacan did say he was Freudian now lol) psychoanalysis from Octave Mannoni in his book Prospero and Caliban: The Psychology of Colonization.
Finally one last fact Robert Browing wrote (published later) Caliban upon Setebos the same year that Darwin published On the Origin of Species
Interesting, British man. I think neither is the same when I made my first post about that. But I may feel both have similar things to my inner heart. But much more weaker, and more trifling. I would not attempt to do either of them. Actually I didn't.
Interesting note about Caliban. And I am agree with your example on Caliban, Darwin&Freud. Although I was not actually thinking the same thing, I am agree with your interpretation.
For The Tempest. Do you know why it is always the first play in all published Shakespare's collections(if the play has been included, it always so)?
Curious about if you know, or not. If you not, I will tell you tomorrow
If you do, let us discuss it further. They are far too vulgar, and I cannot do anything about it, so just let them talking, and I just follow my own road.
'Every opinion based on scientific criticism I welcome. As to prejudices of so-called public opinion, to which I have never made concessions, now as aforetime the maxim of the great Florentine is mine:
"Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." '
Guess please, where it comes from? So obvious, isn't it? I can even recite it!( Not in German, though, but I can read)
Caliban, Darwin, and Freud? Oh, how boring. Please let's continue discussing the height bit instead.
19 Jun 2011, 8:10 pm
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Add Dante and Marx. Don't spoil the fun, this is just getting interesting
19 Jun 2011, 8:13 pm
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19 Jun 2011, 8:29 pm
Sallamandrina wrote:
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Add Dante and Marx. Don't spoil the fun, this is just getting interesting
Add Dante and Marx. Don't spoil the fun, this is just getting interesting
You have say it out
I feel a little bit despaired
I was hoping to get the British man and the young, emotional proletariat to guess it.
And I was hoping that they may excited by that.
19 Jun 2011, 8:33 pm
Oh I'm sorry metaphysics I didn't mean to spoil the fun - I was actually delighted that this thread can go in a such a direction 
Let's just find another riddle, a harder one for the British man! (or I can edit my comment if you want and see if he gets it lol)
19 Jun 2011, 8:36 pm
Sallamandrina wrote:
Oh I'm sorry metaphysics I didn't mean to spoil the fun - I was actually delighted that this thread can go in a such a direction
Let's just find another riddle, a harder one for the British man! (or I can edit my comment if you want and see if he gets it lol)
- I was actually delighted that this thread can go in a such a direction Let's just find another riddle, a harder one for the British man! (or I can edit my comment if you want and see if he gets it lol)
We have to find one that both suits the British man and the another man..
That emotional proletariat...
19 Jun 2011, 9:25 pm
MCalavera wrote:
Caliban, Darwin, and Freud? Oh, how boring. Please let's continue discussing the height bit instead.
Come now, please play nice. I hear good discussions before in my university and college days about this topic of nature and nurture in other contexts using literature as a source reference.
I said this before and now I'll say it again, one can learn a great deal about psychology from the great works of literature.
Also If I said what you say about Caliban while doing IT work of the English Literature department of my old university I would of been kicked out of there in less then five mins!
Join in on the literally debate & I might give you some good scientific research to look at.
@metaphysics oh I been asleep that was listing J.S.Bach does to me sometimes now lol. yes I got your refecence to Dante then I didn't know that Marx used that. About The Tempest being the first published now doing quote me on this as It been a long time now Its something to with publishing errors of the false folio.
19 Jun 2011, 9:43 pm
cdfox7 wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
Caliban, Darwin, and Freud? Oh, how boring. Please let's continue discussing the height bit instead.
Come now, please play nice. I hear good discussions before in my university and college days about this topic of nature and nurture in other contexts using literature as a source reference.
I said this before and now I'll say it again, one can learn a great deal about psychology from the great works of literature.
Also If I said what you say about Caliban while doing IT work of the English Literature department of my old university I would of been kicked out of there in less then five mins!
Join in on the literally debate & I might give you some good scientific research to look at.
@metaphysics oh I been asleep that was listing J.S.Bach does to me sometimes now lol. yes I got your refecence to Dante then I didn't know that Marx used that. About The Tempest being the first published now doing quote me on this as It been a long time now Its something to with publishing errors of the false folio.
It was a tongue in cheek joke directed towards metaphysics. Nothing personal.
Feel free to discuss.
19 Jun 2011, 10:15 pm
MCalavera wrote:
It was a tongue in cheek joke directed towards metaphysics. Nothing personal.
Feel free to discuss.
Feel free to discuss.
cool with that mate
You want a look at Malvolio's peacocking in Twelfth Night then?
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