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21 Jul 2011, 12:41 am

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I've been messaging on my OKC account for a while now. No, it's not 12 people a day. Maybe once every other day i'll send a message out, it's well written (definitely not a stupid form letter), makes note of things in her profile that i like (to prove that I actually read it, mostly), and most importantly, that i only message people that I think I could truly have a serious relationship with.

But even in these direst of straits I find myself in now, I would never turn to a prostitute. Even if it were 100% safe and legal. Knowing that a woman had sex with me only because I paid her just makes me feel even more stupid. It doesn't resolve the fact that I am unlovable. It's all fake.

i hear ya, ive done the same thing on okc. and had the same result of not being answered back once.
and i have the same feelings on sex with a prostitue.



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21 Jul 2011, 12:44 am

ok fair enough, didn't mean to judge that you hadn't done anything more to get a date lately, ToS. though it is fairly common in these parts.


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21 Jul 2011, 12:47 am

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ok fair enough, didn't mean to judge that you hadn't done anything more to get a date lately, ToS. though it is fairly common in these parts.


Still, I wonder: is it just me? Am I somehow deficient as a human being and undeserving of love? Or are you a rarity among women, and most would prefer lying cheating players?



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21 Jul 2011, 12:49 am

ToadOfSteel wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
ok fair enough, didn't mean to judge that you hadn't done anything more to get a date lately, ToS. though it is fairly common in these parts.


Still, I wonder: is it just me? Am I somehow deficient as a human being and undeserving of love? Or are you a rarity among women, and most would prefer lying cheating players?

maybe aspie women tend to be different? i really don't know. but i've never met a woman who actually wanted a guy who was a liar or cheater. they just turned out that way... maybe some women can't see through the lies as well as others? i am not sure.


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21 Jul 2011, 1:07 am

Online isn't the only way to get a date, and it seems somewhat passive.

Optimism outperforms pessimism. Even if it's difficult to sustain, bursts of it can pay off.



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21 Jul 2011, 1:21 am

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There is more to be desired from a woman than that she will submit to you sexually.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHASHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHASHAHAHAHAHHAHA

That's a good one!

But seriously, sex is part of the reward cycle that trains men to even bother with relationshits.


But seriously, relationships are the foundation for raising a healthy family, which is biologically point of sex.
Men and women are both wired to seek out and enjoy sex and relationships. It's healthy. Sex is not the end all.



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21 Jul 2011, 3:40 am

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for the poll women could list any exceptions they wanted, but it forced them to make a choice... if there was any chance it would ever be okay, they would most likely click yes. if there was no chance it would ever be okay, they would most likely click no. they had to do their own internal decision-making as to what circumstances are acceptable to them, but by having a dividing line between yes and no we could get 2 clear groups, even if some people are *close* to the middle.

of course, it is a limited sample size and it was mostly aspies who responded. but it's the same people we interact with here on the boards. keeping in mind that votes are anonymous and men could also post in the same poll (i had no way of preventing them), it was a telling statistic.


Its sounds like that the poll/questionnaire design, the size of the poll's sample, and no clear way of getting data from your targeted demographic (eg. female aspies) had raises questions about the validity of your statistical findings.

IMHO your statistical hypothesis from this poll in clearly invalid, and now is erroneous to the discussion.



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21 Jul 2011, 7:27 am

simon_says wrote:
Online isn't the only way to get a date, and it seems somewhat passive.

Optimism outperforms pessimism. Even if it's difficult to sustain, bursts of it can pay off.


The internet blows, to be honest. Most lie and you're competing with brad pitt wannabes skilled in the ways of photoshop who've bribed that girl with a cocktail at the party to let him pose with her in the photo. It's better to practice and embrace real life and then use the internet to your advantage, otherwise, you're stuck behind a computer wailing about a girl who won't respond to your self-deprecatory letter among the hundreds of other letters that girl has received.



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21 Jul 2011, 7:32 am

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hyperlexian wrote:
for the poll women could list any exceptions they wanted, but it forced them to make a choice... if there was any chance it would ever be okay, they would most likely click yes. if there was no chance it would ever be okay, they would most likely click no. they had to do their own internal decision-making as to what circumstances are acceptable to them, but by having a dividing line between yes and no we could get 2 clear groups, even if some people are *close* to the middle.

of course, it is a limited sample size and it was mostly aspies who responded. but it's the same people we interact with here on the boards. keeping in mind that votes are anonymous and men could also post in the same poll (i had no way of preventing them), it was a telling statistic.


Its sounds like that the poll/questionnaire design, the size of the poll's sample, and no clear way of getting data from your targeted demographic (eg. female aspies) had raises questions about the validity of your statistical findings.

IMHO your statistical hypothesis from this poll in clearly invalid, and now is erroneous to the discussion.


And adding to that fact that most women don't know what they really want, most statistics aren't telling at all.



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21 Jul 2011, 7:41 am

swbluto wrote:
And adding to that fact that most women don't know what they really want, most statistics aren't telling at all.


Yes, of course, we only know what we don't want. But some people make that so very, very easy for us...



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21 Jul 2011, 7:58 am

mv wrote:
swbluto wrote:
And adding to that fact that most women don't know what they really want, most statistics aren't telling at all.


Yes, of course, we only know what we don't want. But some people make that so very, very easy for us...


I'm pretty sure most don't even know what they "don't want", at least not in a conscious way as demanded by a survey. But, sure, I'll agree you know what you want or don't want when you see it.



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21 Jul 2011, 8:11 am

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you kinda throw around a lot of opinions like they are facts... can you show me where it has been shown or proven that liars are more successful than truthful people? because i looked, and it seems you have made another unfounded claim.


The people with the greatest ability to lie tend to be the most successful, not that they necessarily lie a lot as implied by the "liar" label. For example, most women are great at lying and they seem pretty successful at hoodwinking naive males into marriage with the carrot of sex. :lol: (Apparently wedding cake is the most powerful libido killer, lol.)



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21 Jul 2011, 8:15 am

swbluto wrote:
cdfox7 wrote:
IMHO your statistical hypothesis from this poll in clearly invalid, and now is erroneous to the discussion.
And adding to that fact that most women don't know what they really want, most statistics aren't telling at all.


In all honesty my learned friend hyperlexian, has given both qualitative and quantitative data to back up her argument. You have only given qualitiative data, five pages back in my reply to your OP I asked for figures to back up your clam that it saves both time and money to use prostitutes. I'll take your argument more sensuously when you finally give us quantitative data.

The same can be said about man now, also I agree with Mark Twain about statistics There are lies, damned lies and statistics.



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21 Jul 2011, 8:20 am

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swbluto wrote:
cdfox7 wrote:
IMHO your statistical hypothesis from this poll in clearly invalid, and now is erroneous to the discussion.
And adding to that fact that most women don't know what they really want, most statistics aren't telling at all.


In all honesty my learned friend hyperlexian, has given both qualitative and quantitative data to back up her argument. You have only given qualitiative data, five pages back in my reply to your OP I asked for figures to back up your clam that it saves both time and money to use prostitutes. I Taken your argument more sensuously when you finally give us qualititive data.

The same can be said about man now, also I agree with Mark Twain about statistics There are lies, damned lies and statistics.


Here are the numbers: Food is $150 per month, if they aren't paying for rent as is the case with many girlfriends as many don't have jobs, rent will be another $300 to $400 per month (As opposed to having a paying room mate) and then miscellaneous will be another $100 or more per month. Add it all together, and you're looking at something like $600-700 per month at a minimum for your average doesn't-have-a-job girlfriend whereas a prostitute once a month would cost somewhere between $150-300 (Or even cheaper with a trailer park crackhead.).



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21 Jul 2011, 8:50 am

swbluto wrote:
Here are the numbers: Food is $150 per month, if they aren't paying for rent as is the case with many girlfriends as many don't have jobs, rent will be another $300 to $400 per month (As opposed to having a paying room mate) and then miscellaneous will be another $100 or more per month. Add it all together, and you're looking at something like $600-700 per month at a minimum for your average doesn't-have-a-job girlfriend whereas a prostitute once a month would cost somewhere between $150-300 (Or even cheaper with a trailer park crackhead.).


You use food yourself don't you? If you share living with a partner that there's cost saving to that.
If a parnter works has has there own income then they can share with the costs.
About rent you rent your own home too now, so both food and rent cost do have a part to in both options you given us.
You still have miscellaneous expenses if you live on your own and use a prostitute now.

How many times a month would need the services of a prostitute now, plus you need to add the cost of arranging meetings with a prostitutes eg. phone calls, travel costs, ect. Also add the additional costs of sexual health care and legal costs if you do get into trouble with the law over using thoses services.

Also can you cost up the following options as your assuming that there only two options here: a partner or a prostitute.
  • Being celibate
  • Using sex toys
  • Using porn
  • Masturbation without sex toys and/or porn
  • Casual relationships


The ^ options are options IMHO that you have overlooked!



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21 Jul 2011, 9:56 am

cdfox7 wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
for the poll women could list any exceptions they wanted, but it forced them to make a choice... if there was any chance it would ever be okay, they would most likely click yes. if there was no chance it would ever be okay, they would most likely click no. they had to do their own internal decision-making as to what circumstances are acceptable to them, but by having a dividing line between yes and no we could get 2 clear groups, even if some people are *close* to the middle.

of course, it is a limited sample size and it was mostly aspies who responded. but it's the same people we interact with here on the boards. keeping in mind that votes are anonymous and men could also post in the same poll (i had no way of preventing them), it was a telling statistic.


Its sounds like that the poll/questionnaire design, the size of the poll's sample, and no clear way of getting data from your targeted demographic (eg. female aspies) had raises questions about the validity of your statistical findings.

IMHO your statistical hypothesis from this poll in clearly invalid, and now is erroneous to the discussion.

scientifically valid? no. useful to the discussion? yes. it would be that same as any thread on WP where we seek and trust people's opinions. are you saying that every thread on this site is invalid? it's the same people posting.

also, the only way it could have been artificially skewed is if men posted in the poll. and which way do YOU think that the majority of men (or even 50% of men on here) would vote? the odds are that men would have skewed the number to be artifically lower.

the statistic seems a little low to me because in real life, 90% of the women i know would not sleep with a man who used a prostitute (i asked around). so this number is comparably conservative to me. you can ask your own female friends and get your own result... maybe it will be different amongst your friends, so that this ststaistic may in fact be a good average.


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