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04 Oct 2013, 8:30 pm

Good to see some guys getting it now. By "no," I mean verbal resistance in general. Why didn't I say that? Because it's common sense to me, and "no" is more concise. Sometimes I forget how literal aspies can be.

Some of you may have heard that 93% of communication is non-verbal. I don't know how accurate that is, but I agree it's over 50%. Look at the big picture. How is her body language? How is her tonality? If she really didn't want it, she would physically move away. Also, if she verbally resists, most of the time, it's not simply, "no," but something along the lines of "we shouldn't be doing this." Sometimes though, she may object harder, which you should STOP physically, but you can reason with her LOGICALLY so she sees how silly her objection is. I provided examples of that earlier.



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04 Oct 2013, 8:47 pm

Tequila wrote:
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There is a difference between "no" and " we shouldn't be doing this" though


Persuading a woman that says "we shouldn't be doing this" could also be seen as coercion, because you're trying to convince the woman to her advantage when she might want to have sex but not be fully on board with it.

If you're going to be that literal, you should accept what she says at face value - and say, "no, we shouldn't". And have a very disappointed lady on your hands.


Usually if a woman sais " we shouldn't be doing this" and we were already making out or kissing than I just back off for a second and read her body language and facial expression.

That's where each aspie here has to use their own discretion.

I agree with this statement by tequila though.



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05 Oct 2013, 12:37 am

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Can I say for example:
"You did not answer the question, your last post proves your lack of intelligence" ?

Here I am attacking his post by saying it proves...something, not attacking the poster.

As long as you dont say it repeatedly to the same person its ok.

Diagnosing someone goes for those that try to dismiss other peoples posts by asking if they are bipolar/whatever



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05 Oct 2013, 4:09 am

Ctrl_F4 wrote:
Some of you may have heard that 93% of communication is non-verbal. I don't know how accurate that is, but I agree it's over 50%. Look at the big picture. How is her body language? How is her tonality? If she really didn't want it, she would physically move away. Also, if she verbally resists, most of the time, it's not simply, "no," but something along the lines of "we shouldn't be doing this." Sometimes though, she may object harder, which you should STOP physically, but you can reason with her LOGICALLY so she sees how silly her objection is. I provided examples of that earlier.


A "no" in a "we shouldn't be doing this" unserious resistance sense is something that you can look at and tease her about.

But if any resistance is a lot more determined and serious, I would (depending on how serious it sounded) wouldn't want to try to persuade someone that clearly isn't interested and/or doesn't want to have sex. If she is saying no and means it in a "I don't want to do this, it's not for me" there's no good in trying to convince the woman.

Bear in mind also that some women freeze up when they can't process what is happening to them. If this happens to you, Ctrl_F4, STOP! And make sure she's OK.



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05 Oct 2013, 7:19 pm

Ctrl_F4 wrote:
but you can reason with her LOGICALLY so she sees how silly her objection is.





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05 Oct 2013, 9:10 pm

source http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality

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The main reason behind this is that INTJ personalities are both private and incredibly rational – they find it very difficult to understand the complex social rituals that are considered part of the dating game, especially in Western societies. Things like flirting or small talk are unnatural to them; furthermore, INTJs (especially females) tend to see typical attraction tactics (such as feigning disinterest) as incredibly stupid and irrational. Ironically, INTJs are most likely to attract a partner when they stop looking for them – this is when their self-confidence starts shining again. There are few things that are more attractive than the unrelenting self-confidence that INTJs are known for.



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05 Oct 2013, 10:53 pm

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source http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality

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The main reason behind this is that INTJ personalities are both private and incredibly rational – they find it very difficult to understand the complex social rituals that are considered part of the dating game, especially in Western societies. Things like flirting or small talk are unnatural to them; furthermore, INTJs (especially females) tend to see typical attraction tactics (such as feigning disinterest) as incredibly stupid and irrational. Ironically, INTJs are most likely to attract a partner when they stop looking for them – this is when their self-confidence starts shining again. There are few things that are more attractive than the unrelenting self-confidence that INTJs are known for.


*considers this post for some time*

Is it just me, is everyone pretty much INTJ here? Excluding some of the girls that might have pulled an "F".

Is there a 16 personality type thread somewhere? I got INTP. :/

INTJ seems more common. I feel like making a thread if one doesn't exist, yet im sure one does.


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05 Oct 2013, 11:08 pm

I seem to be ISTJ.


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05 Oct 2013, 11:23 pm

Kezzstar wrote:
I seem to be ISTJ.


That makes alot of sense. We're supposed to sensation types, aka noises touch etc. I forget about that lots. Mine isn't that bad at all.

*scratches my head* I wonder if it's a girl thing *mulls*



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05 Oct 2013, 11:36 pm

LeLetch wrote:
Kezzstar wrote:
I seem to be ISTJ.


That makes alot of sense. We're supposed to sensation types, aka noises touch etc. I forget about that lots. Mine isn't that bad at all.

*scratches my head* I wonder if it's a girl thing *mulls*


I have to watch myself sometimes. Otherwise if I'm out walking I'll find myself running my fingers along a fence or something. One time I stopped to feel the stairs because they looked different to other stone stairs I'd seen before and I wanted to know what they felt like. I'm quite the affectionate type too, I like to touch people (not in that way mind, but sometimes I overdid it on the hugs and kisses). I'm still kicking myself for not putting my hand on the outside of a plane to see what the metal was like. And for the love of god, DON'T let me loose in a craft shop where there is lots of different materials around!


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05 Oct 2013, 11:44 pm

^ Unrelated to any of this, i am supposedly incredibly soft.

Also, airplanes feel grainy.
Also, your personality type is used to contrast mine on wikipedia as a matter of perspective. Huh. Weird.

Edit: I don't take it overly seriously. Freud was Jung's teacher. Aha. Tho to be fair, i wouldn't be surprised if one of them was aspie.



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06 Oct 2013, 1:37 am

I get INTJ every time I take one of those tests.



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06 Oct 2013, 1:42 am

Shau wrote:
I get INTJ every time I take one of those tests.

Its probably the most badass one. Supreme Lord Putin of Russia is supposedly INTJ if i remember.


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06 Oct 2013, 3:58 am

Kezzstar wrote:
LeLetch wrote:
Kezzstar wrote:
I seem to be ISTJ.


That makes alot of sense. We're supposed to sensation types, aka noises touch etc. I forget about that lots. Mine isn't that bad at all.

*scratches my head* I wonder if it's a girl thing *mulls*


I have to watch myself sometimes. Otherwise if I'm out walking I'll find myself running my fingers along a fence or something. One time I stopped to feel the stairs because they looked different to other stone stairs I'd seen before and I wanted to know what they felt like. I'm quite the affectionate type too, I like to touch people (not in that way mind, but sometimes I overdid it on the hugs and kisses). I'm still kicking myself for not putting my hand on the outside of a plane to see what the metal was like. And for the love of god, DON'T let me loose in a craft shop where there is lots of different materials around!


I would guess that consciously your dominant mode is heavily kinaestetic, with visual coming in second.

You never know, you may have a gift with touch - have you ever done relaxation massages on people? You might find it's a good way for you to connect with them.



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06 Oct 2013, 3:14 pm

LeLetch wrote:
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source http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality

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The main reason behind this is that INTJ personalities are both private and incredibly rational – they find it very difficult to understand the complex social rituals that are considered part of the dating game, especially in Western societies. Things like flirting or small talk are unnatural to them; furthermore, INTJs (especially females) tend to see typical attraction tactics (such as feigning disinterest) as incredibly stupid and irrational. Ironically, INTJs are most likely to attract a partner when they stop looking for them – this is when their self-confidence starts shining again. There are few things that are more attractive than the unrelenting self-confidence that INTJs are known for.


*considers this post for some time*

Is it just me, is everyone pretty much INTJ here? Excluding some of the girls that might have pulled an "F".

Is there a 16 personality type thread somewhere? I got INTP. :/

INTJ seems more common. I feel like making a thread if one doesn't exist, yet im sure one does.

I guessed that he might be INTJ. I experienced this too at some stage in my life. It doesn't work to emulate confidence. At least not for me.



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06 Oct 2013, 9:01 pm

^ We're used to emulating stuff. I doubt it works for confidence. How do you emulate confidence? I don't think anyone has ever recommended faking it. Well, nobody smart. It's more like an aura. It's something that is projected. It's rather hard to project something you don't have. Confidence is related to body language, voice tone, and how you present your thoughts. To be fair, alot of people brainwash themselves into being more confident. It works really good for fooling fools, assuming you care about impressing fools *shrug*.

Sometimes i feel like people treat confidence like a rare pokemon. They wanna know where to find it, how to catch it, how much balls it takes, etc etc.


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