Oh girls have it so much worse....
don't think thats your call to make and its really generalzing. i don't think anyone who isn't willing to wait 10 years for sex is worth a womans time. see its a arbitary number, so it could be replaced with anything. lots of people hace sex right at the start and have long fulfilling relationships.
any woman who wont' have sex after a month of being together isn't worth my time, shes just playing games or not sexually compatible. fyi anyone who is won't be able to wait 6 months either. most women on okcup list that they would have sex around 3-5 dates, very few say 6 months or longer unless they christians saying until marriage. then other say 1-2 dates.
honestly such a woman as you describe is judgemental and not worth a mans time.
his real attentions is not to get played with by a woman, he wants a long term romantic and yes sexual relationship perhaps leading to marriage. just because a guy doesn't want to wait freaking half a year to have sex doesn't mean hes only after sex.
only see each other a couple times a week you mean like 90% of people do?
does it take you years to bond and attach to someone, it usually just takes a few weeks for most people even shorter for people like me.
I probably said that wrong. Let me rephrase it - if a guy doesn't want to get to know me before there is any sex (and I don't mean 3-5 dates) then he isn't worth MY time.
I don't attach to people like you do and from what I've read (even my Aspie friend) it takes a lot of time for some Aspies to bond and trust someone. So I think you're wrong by saying "most people only take a few weeks or less to bond". You might be one of the few.
Let me tell you something else. I think why it takes you so little time to fall for someone is because you have made finding someone your one main goal in life and its gonna end up biting you in the a**. Why? Because you are going to become a "clinger" to that person and they will most definitely run in the other direction because they will feel suffocated. That's just my opinion of what I can see happening. No one wants to be someone else's total reason for happiness.
I should also add that clinging to a person so soon can raise a red flag for a woman because that is something a future abuser does to lure their victim.
One of the red flags when dating is when a man can't get enough of you, they are crazy over you and always want to talk to you and be with you and always thinking about you. Yeah red flag for abuse so run. Even if he isn't an abuser, he had raised a false red flag then so he would have to slow down while dating.
bonding/being attached =/= clinging to them.
oh how crazy someone likes you oh no only abusers like people run. I just won't bother and end it in few years. I can't help being who I am I'm not an independent don't care about anyone person. so f**k me.
Read about domestic abuse and red flags, it will tell you the same thing so this is not even my opinion.
really always seemed to me abusers are distant and uncaring and give very little time to their partners.
Nope, you'd be surprised. If you read abuse survivor stories by victims and read other articles about domestic abuse, you will see how their abuser was attached to them and always bought them stuff and gave them lot of attention and then that all changed. I have been obsessing over this topic and I can relate to it and it helps me feel better about myself and feel less stupid for getting into an abusive relationship and it took me awhile to come out with it because I was afraid of speaking up about it thinking I would be playing the victim and I still go back and forth sometimes thinking it was all a misunderstanding and what if I am misreading my ex's behavior. But of course lot of their stories are worse because they had it worse than I did so I would say my ex's abuse was mild compared to theirs and I was lucky my relationship with him didn't last even a year and that I was thrown out instead (not literally) and I moved on after my mom told me I was single and he wanted nothing to do with me and he had moved on. I felt free and released and no longer trapped in the relationship. But of course my ex contacted me two more times after being silent on me and then I never heard from him again which I always thought was strange. But now I think he was just jealous and bored and wanted to see if I was still with the same man and then he left me alone because I wasn't single. I found out that a narcissist will go back to their victim and talk to them like nothing ever happened between them and then they disappear again and that sounded like my ex. I don't know fr sure if mine was a narc or not but his behavior seems to fit it and I was told on Reddit a label doesn't matter, only the behavior matters.
How do you think women get into abusive relationships in the first place? Simple, their partner paid a lot of attention to them and was very caring and so charming and even took them out and bought them stuff always and they couldn't get enough of them so they always called them, always wanted to be with them and they were so perfect for them, they were too good to be true.
My husband raised a few false red flags too but good thing I was unaware of them or we wouldn't have been together. I knew nothing about emotional abuse then and the red flags and i knew nothing about narcissism. I knew the word but didn't understand then what it was.
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though I don't expect you to understand do to how you think about people who like sex.
I don't need to understand the sexual dimension of it. There are two different ways to bond: With sex and without sex. If you bond quickly and strongly without sex, then you don't need sex for bonding, and thus have no problem if it takes a month or a year before sex. That's why you are atypical.
The problem with you also seems to be that you are anticipating things only, and really haven't experienced if it would be a problem for you if somebody you bonded to wouldn't want to have sex with you until after 6 months. My guess is that you are going by cultural expectations instead, which say that girls should agree to sex quickly. And I'm not even disputing that you do like sex. It's beside the point.
so anyone who pays attention to their partner, is kind and caring and charming is a abuser without trial. that seems unrealistic since those are supposedly trait women say over and over they want in a man. should a man act like an abusers so its not a red flag and women will think he'll change later to be a nice guy? seems world turned upside down to me.
really wish I was never born since everything about me is just horrible.
though I don't expect you to understand do to how you think about people who like sex.
I don't need to understand the sexual dimension of it. There are two different ways to bond: With sex and without sex. If you bond quickly and strongly without sex, then you don't need sex for bonding, and thus have no problem if it takes a month or a year before sex. That's why you are atypical.
The problem with you also seems to be that you are anticipating things only, and really haven't experienced if it would be a problem for you if somebody you bonded to wouldn't want to have sex with you until after 6 months. My guess is that you are going by cultural expectations instead, which say that girls should agree to sex quickly. And I'm not even disputing that you do like sex. It's beside the point.
yeah no. because we still have sexual drive so yeah . we can't stand going that long without sex with the person we love being rejected sex says they don't find us attractive or like us.
really because all the girls I've dealt wtih want sex before I do.
also cultural expectations say that women should wait til marriage to have sex or withhold it for a long while so as not to be sluts.
anyways clearly it doesn't' matter as I'm so awful a person only death awaits me in my future. really makes doing anything seem pointless. talk about total demotivation
So you have a sex drive. Then may I ask how often you have sex with a woman? Probably not that often, I suspect. However, you are saying you cannot wait for more than a month if you are with a woman, which to me implies you are with her for the wrong reason, as you probably wouldn't have sex with a woman within a month if you were single either.
So, no, your reasoning makes no sense to me.
So then you have no problem. You don't need to require sex within a month because all the girls you have been with have wanted sex before you.
So you have a sex drive. Then may I ask how often you have sex with a woman? Probably not that often, I suspect. However, you are saying you cannot wait for more than a month if you are with a woman, which to me implies you are with her for the wrong reason, as you probably wouldn't have sex with a woman within a month if you were single either.
So, no, your reasoning makes no sense to me.
So then you have no problem. You don't need to require sex within a month because all the girls you have been with have wanted sex before you.
see what happens is the longer I wait the more an dmore and more it takes over what I think about to the point where I feel aweful looking at porn like its cheating on them. so now I'm going months without 0 reeife whole time thining sexual about them whic will come up also they expect to cuddling tightly and kiss. which is going to make me hump them then they'll get upset because they want to wait half a year or more. well i don't want to deal with any of that.we'll not sexual compatible or they wouldn't want to wait either. so thats a big sign to me it won't work out. I've waited 27 years already I can't wait even longer on top of that. maybe if it was back when I was 20 I could wait hell when I was 18 I was going to wait to marriage but I didn't know that meant never back then.
but when seingle there isn't any of that added sexual contact and added emotional connection causing emotional sexual desire. I can just go and look at porn multiple times a day to deal with it. so yeah 3-5 dates for me. I can't wait longer. and if they can then its not a good match they'll likely be the ok with 1 time a month or less girls and I 'm a few times a day if possible guy. so not compatible.
but no of those girls matched out. one was too pushy, another an abusive liar, the other had very few intersts and stuff in common.
27 years of pent up sexual desire means its near impossible to wait to have sex when have the chance.
go days without water and see how long you want to wait when there's a glass of water in front of you.
or compare it to any thing you had to wait for then got access to and you don't want to wait longer.
but whatever. I'll just save up go to a whore then kill myself . problem solve now I won't be a horrible burden to women and they can live single lifes complaining about how there's no good men left in the world. never realising its because what the define as good men and what they really want aren't the same thing. they don't want good men.
Well, if you remain single you simply have to. Unless you use whores.
So you were happy with no sex before marriage when you were 18, and now you are desperate for sex? That makes no sense to me at all. Don't you know that being desperate is a really bad trait that won't get you into a serious relationship?
Why can't you go to porn sites while dating? That's a thing people that have different sex drives do.
So you found out that girls that want sex quickly are not good for you, and now you want to pursue those exclusively? Do you find that an adaptive behavior?
That's desperate.
or compare it to any thing you had to wait for then got access to and you don't want to wait longer.
Not valid. If I want sex and wife don't, I'd use masturbation. Simple way of dealing with different sex drives.
That sounds like the perfect recipe for avoiding men who fall in love with you. As you said, life has risks. Sometimes, the only way to make sure you've thrown out all the bath water is to throw out the baby with it.
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Well, if you remain single you simply have to. Unless you use whores.
So you were happy with no sex before marriage when you were 18, and now you are desperate for sex? That makes no sense to me at all. Don't you know that being desperate is a really bad trait that won't get you into a serious relationship?
Why can't you go to porn sites while dating? That's a thing people that have different sex drives do.
So you found out that girls that want sex quickly are not good for you, and now you want to pursue those exclusively? Do you find that an adaptive behavior?
That's desperate.
or compare it to any thing you had to wait for then got access to and you don't want to wait longer.
Not valid. If I want sex and wife don't, I'd use masturbation. Simple way of dealing with different sex drives.
the thing I've learned on this site is if you want anything even a tingy bit your'e desperate for it. so don't want things. which sounds like a good plan if you never ever want to have anything.
its called having a repressed sex drive and thinking you'd be married in a year after 18.
I thought I'd be a marine and have a wife by 19 so really wasn't anything to worry about.
yeah i know wanting to be loved, wanting a relationship, wanting physical touch are turn offs to women according to wp.
another thing they do is cheating and divorce. I don't want any of that. and I already said because it feels disloyal and like cheating to look at other women besides my love. also from what women here say they dislike it and see it as cheating as well.
no I don't think girls wanting sexx too soon has any connection to those wones being not good for me. as there's no personality that is connected with high sex drive. you could have a nerdy nice girl with a high sex drive and a abusive club girl with a low sex drive. Christians with high sex drives and whores with low sex drive. there's no connection.
you will never understand so please stop judignt us. you're asexual thats great for you, so stay out of issues that you can't and won't understand. I don't meddle in asexual issues and say they wrong.
if I was desperate I'd have had sex with all those women.
you could apply that to anything then. so you should give up all your hobbies, all youf family, all your likes and wants and dreams to be with a woman. whats compatibility anyways. f**k that just completely be with a woman you hate and hates you and change who you all 100%, why be happy in a relationship. well i want to be happy and with someone compatible. I'm just going to try to ignore you. you posts are terrible. you just like to judge me and other people who liek sex and feel you have a moral high ground that by being asexual you're better then us. I'm sick of it.
That sounds like the perfect recipe for avoiding men who fall in love with you. As you said, life has risks. Sometimes, the only way to make sure you've thrown out all the bath water is to throw out the baby with it.
suppose thats a better way of putting it. though I coming to the conclusion women don't want love anymore.
not sure what the last sentence means though O.o
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don't think thats your call to make and its really generalzing. i don't think anyone who isn't willing to wait 10 years for sex is worth a womans time. see its a arbitary number, so it could be replaced with anything. lots of people hace sex right at the start and have long fulfilling relationships.
any woman who wont' have sex after a month of being together isn't worth my time, shes just playing games or not sexually compatible. fyi anyone who is won't be able to wait 6 months either. most women on okcup list that they would have sex around 3-5 dates, very few say 6 months or longer unless they christians saying until marriage. then other say 1-2 dates.
honestly such a woman as you describe is judgemental and not worth a mans time.
his real attentions is not to get played with by a woman, he wants a long term romantic and yes sexual relationship perhaps leading to marriage. just because a guy doesn't want to wait freaking half a year to have sex doesn't mean hes only after sex.
only see each other a couple times a week you mean like 90% of people do?
does it take you years to bond and attach to someone, it usually just takes a few weeks for most people even shorter for people like me.
I probably said that wrong. Let me rephrase it - if a guy doesn't want to get to know me before there is any sex (and I don't mean 3-5 dates) then he isn't worth MY time.
I don't attach to people like you do and from what I've read (even my Aspie friend) it takes a lot of time for some Aspies to bond and trust someone. So I think you're wrong by saying "most people only take a few weeks or less to bond". You might be one of the few.
Let me tell you something else. I think why it takes you so little time to fall for someone is because you have made finding someone your one main goal in life and its gonna end up biting you in the a**. Why? Because you are going to become a "clinger" to that person and they will most definitely run in the other direction because they will feel suffocated. That's just my opinion of what I can see happening. No one wants to be someone else's total reason for happiness.
I should also add that clinging to a person so soon can raise a red flag for a woman because that is something a future abuser does to lure their victim.
One of the red flags when dating is when a man can't get enough of you, they are crazy over you and always want to talk to you and be with you and always thinking about you. Yeah red flag for abuse so run. Even if he isn't an abuser, he had raised a false red flag then so he would have to slow down while dating.
IDK about that, its more like they try and act charming and like a decent caring person to lure someone in...thing is abusers are good at this trickery, they actually don't do a lot out of the ordinary initially. At least I certainly have never heard of those being 'red flags' of a future abuser...and I've taken psychology and sociology courses in college so I'd figure I'd have heard of that if it was the case.
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As long as you are giving your consent, nobody is taking advantage of you for sex. Nobody owes you a relationship.
If that's what's hitting on you, that's your league.
You could always try intensive weightlifting for hours per week, clothes that highlight your muscle, anabolic steroids and a strict diet; i.e. stuff men need to go through to look good.
The hourglass shape is the desired figure in women because hourglass shaped women tend to be more fertile and have better genetics.
Nobody said this was rude.
Sorry but you've got to have a screw loose or something to think someone cannot be taken advantage of for sex. It is a different thing than rape since as you say its not 'forced' however its not unheard of for guys to lead girls on to sleep with them and then drop them like a potato infected with the plague when they've had their fill. But if you haven't experienced it I wouldn't expect you to understand.
I also never said anyone 'owes' me a relationship...but I think they at least owe me the respect to be honest about whether or not they want one. If a guy starts a relationship with me and passes it off like they care for me as a person, but really they just want someone to sleep around with till they find something serious or just someone to sleep around with they at least owe me the truth. I mean there are times I desire sex and would be willing to hook up for it with no intentions of a serious relationship with a guy willing difference is I would know what it going on, rather than being led on. But that said regardless of if anyone owes me a relationship or not, women are still statistically more likely to run into abuse, rape, being taken advantage of sexually(exploitation).
And know if that is what's hitting on me, that means such people hit on me....not that we're in the same 'league', guys will hit on all kinds of girls whether in their league or not, and my opinion a daily bar hopper twice my age with enough alcohol on their breath to kill a small rodent most of the time who has a nasty disrespectful way of flirting is not my 'league' or what I ought to be pursuing. But this just further shows your entire lack of understanding of this experience...maybe in your view you'd be grateful for any attention from any women because at least a woman talked to you.
Well I guess I have other things in life that are more practical/important than having a guy, any guy even a potential rapist/abuser talk to me being the sole focus of my days...if you interacted with an abusive woman you might later come to find you'd rather have not had that interaction, or if you got with a women and later find out they where just using you wilst making you the butt of their jokes to their friends you might begin to understand why some people feel not having an interaction would have been better than having the initial interaction.
Also I know lots of guys, no one who really weight lifts or wears clothes to show off muscles and what not...and these are guys who do date and have girlfriends. But I understand guys have their own social pressures to look a certain way as well that may be a little different than social pressure girls have.
And no one 'here' said the last bit was rude, but yes I've seen it referred to as rude when women have negative responses to a random street stranger calling them a sexy baby or something...not on W.P, just in general.
This is why the "no sex for 6 months rule". If a guy can't stick around and actually "date" a woman and really get to know her - he isn't worth her time. You will know then what his real intentions were. And some men may say that 6 months is too long, but it isn't if both people have a life and only see each other a couple times a week.
I don't think 'no sex for 6 months' is necessary to determine the true motives are sincere...especially if neither party wants to wait that long. Some females say 6 months is too long, and it might progress to seeing each other more often than 'a couple times a week' quicker than 6 months as well...not sure what the bit about 'having lives' is, if a couple sees each other more often than that within the first six weeks that means they don't have lives?
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In the previous post you were desperate for sex, and now you don't want anything.
No, I don't think desperate is the same things as not wanting anything. If I say "I must have sex right now" that's desperate, but if I say "I want sex in a relationship", that's certainly not desperate, rather pretty normal.
I thought I'd be a marine and have a wife by 19 so really wasn't anything to worry about.
yeah i know wanting to be loved, wanting a relationship, wanting physical touch are turn offs to women according to wp.
I don't think anybody suggested that. I'm pretty sure a huge majority of WP women want to be loved, be in a relationship and even want physical touch (at least hugs). I have no idea where you got that idea from.
I agree, but then you need to select a partner carefully and not just jump at whoever appears and wants sex.
Well, I do think they are connected. That's because sex is a way to form quick connections to men. So if you are looking for men to abuse, having sex with them so they attach to you is a pretty good plot.
Why would I ever want to do that?
One of the red flags when dating is when a man can't get enough of you, they are crazy over you and always want to talk to you and be with you and always thinking about you. Yeah red flag for abuse so run. Even if he isn't an abuser, he had raised a false red flag then so he would have to slow down while dating.
IDK about that, its more like they try and act charming and like a decent caring person to lure someone in...thing is abusers are good at this trickery, they actually don't do a lot out of the ordinary initially. At least I certainly have never heard of those being 'red flags' of a future abuser...and I've taken psychology and sociology courses in college so I'd figure I'd have heard of that if it was the case.
That is what I was trying to say. It's called manipulation. If you meet a guy and he is so quick to jump into a relationship and he is already loving you and he always hates when you go home or go to work and it seems like he never wants you gone and it feels like you can't get time for yourself, that is a red flag an for lot of women, this might seem great because someone actually loves you and pays attention to you and actually wants you around. But of course this behavior might push some women away because the man is going too quickly for them for a relationship. I used to not get this either until I started to reading about abusive relationships and starting to read signs for them and red flags so that could be why some women are not comfortable with it. This sounds like something a narcissist would do because this is what they do when I read about them. Then it changes so the abuser no longer acts like the person they were when they met.
Did you guys also study narcissism and relationships in class?
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don't think thats your call to make and its really generalzing. i don't think anyone who isn't willing to wait 10 years for sex is worth a womans time. see its a arbitary number, so it could be replaced with anything. lots of people hace sex right at the start and have long fulfilling relationships.
any woman who wont' have sex after a month of being together isn't worth my time, shes just playing games or not sexually compatible. fyi anyone who is won't be able to wait 6 months either. most women on okcup list that they would have sex around 3-5 dates, very few say 6 months or longer unless they christians saying until marriage. then other say 1-2 dates.
honestly such a woman as you describe is judgemental and not worth a mans time.
his real attentions is not to get played with by a woman, he wants a long term romantic and yes sexual relationship perhaps leading to marriage. just because a guy doesn't want to wait freaking half a year to have sex doesn't mean hes only after sex.
only see each other a couple times a week you mean like 90% of people do?
does it take you years to bond and attach to someone, it usually just takes a few weeks for most people even shorter for people like me.
I probably said that wrong. Let me rephrase it - if a guy doesn't want to get to know me before there is any sex (and I don't mean 3-5 dates) then he isn't worth MY time.
I don't attach to people like you do and from what I've read (even my Aspie friend) it takes a lot of time for some Aspies to bond and trust someone. So I think you're wrong by saying "most people only take a few weeks or less to bond". You might be one of the few.
Let me tell you something else. I think why it takes you so little time to fall for someone is because you have made finding someone your one main goal in life and its gonna end up biting you in the a**. Why? Because you are going to become a "clinger" to that person and they will most definitely run in the other direction because they will feel suffocated. That's just my opinion of what I can see happening. No one wants to be someone else's total reason for happiness.
I should also add that clinging to a person so soon can raise a red flag for a woman because that is something a future abuser does to lure their victim.
One of the red flags when dating is when a man can't get enough of you, they are crazy over you and always want to talk to you and be with you and always thinking about you. Yeah red flag for abuse so run. Even if he isn't an abuser, he had raised a false red flag then so he would have to slow down while dating.
IDK about that, its more like they try and act charming and like a decent caring person to lure someone in...thing is abusers are good at this trickery, they actually don't do a lot out of the ordinary initially. At least I certainly have never heard of those being 'red flags' of a future abuser...and I've taken psychology and sociology courses in college so I'd figure I'd have heard of that if it was the case.
some actual red flags are over-jealousy, verbal abuse, not wanting the partner to see friends and family, being controlling.
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