Serious issues with L&D Forum

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You'd prefer it to be like 4 politically correct threads that offended no one and help no one instead?

Censorship isn't the answer

Im that Guessing love and dating should only be for those lucky enough to have found love, although those people usually then stop posting on wp all together.

Adult section should only be for those who have sex not those wanting to and worried about stuff.

Politics section should only be for politicians lol

What one sees as venting the poster sees as a legit question.
Censoring based off one persons being offended is terrible. People can be offended by everything. It allows forces people away instead of helping them,murther shows that the world hates them and they'll never be liked or helped.

Wp for many is the last Baston of hope in a cruel world thst dislikes different.

and let's have PPR for women and PPR for men, General Autism for women, GA for men...etc.

Seriously? Is this a public toilet?

Let's go full Sharia on this forum

You know you only like to use bidets.

Ban gender politics in L&D, and force them to debate in PPR, as God intended. A similar policy in the Women's forum would also likely cut down the number of men posting in there without any need for draconian rules.

Also, a really simple idea might be to create and encourage the use of a "venting" tag for venting posts, and treat those posts the way posts in the Haven are treated, i.e. no critical responses, because people angrily responding to angry venting is probably responsible for 90% of the vitriol in this forum.

So you think a post like your post in Romantic Loneliness In Women thread should not be here? (or the posts in its equivalent thread).
I am serious with this question, not being sarcastic.

I don't like the gender segregation idea because the problem shy people with communication issues have is that they don't get to talk to people of the opposite sex and see what they're really like. The opposite sex is already "the other" to them. This would just reinforce that feeling.

We need more communication, not less.

Yes, if the rules were changed I would be totally OK with that thread being moved to the women's section.

Rules changed to what?

Good idea.

L&D is for advice, not ideological warfare. But PPR can be a no holds barred battle royal.

My last two posts now look contradictory.

It was suggested debates and why are x like y should go in PPR, rants/vents go in the Haven and women's stuff goes in women's forum.

Questions looking for advice on how to meet people, how to manage relationship problems, how to create a dating profile etc go in L&D.

I'm OK with women related threads going in the current women's sub forum (which I think men should be allowed to read, but if they could refrain from arguing in it that would be great) but I have no problem with men contributing if they're not going to be bulldozers. Some men who contribute there actually manage that.

But I don't think there should be two l & d forums based on gender.

Yeah, segregation doesn't usually help things.

Well apparently asking for help or talking about your dating experience is considered gender politics and sexist by some here who are pushing this matter.

I don't consider my post rants. Or I'd posted them in haven. They tend to explore into conflicts which then make me defensive.

But if the rant is sexist or containts a generalization then it would still make problems in the havens.

But if the love-related rant is clean and not offensive to any group, then where is the problem to be in L&D?

The problem is not where it is being posted.

as newcomer and lacking communication skills I'm not the one to talk about this, but try anyway:
In the past I've been reading a lot on a protestant Christian forum (that strict that it shuts down on Sunday's), I like it because those people are detached from the world outside as I feel.
But anyway, they also have strict moderation, in a sense that posts that are not OK are wiped out by mods (you can see that someone posted something, and who, but text is made blank by mod and mod makes a comment like "no attacks on the person please, etc etc".
These puritan christians really can write sharp comments when it's about their convictions, so it seems necessary there

Segregation never solved anything why are you so keen on it? Have you not been following the events in universities this past year? It doesn't make people any less ignorant or riled up.

The civil rights movement fought against this sort of thing in the 50s and 60s. It was the separatists/supremacist like Luis Farrakhan and Don Black who were against this effort. I was born in Johannesburg South Africa. The same sorts arguments used to defend apartheid have used by so called social justice proponents. Yet they problably don't intend the harm it will cause, they are just quite naive and don't really understand how proscribe rights can not be allowed to counteract other's fundamental rights.

It starts with wanting a segregated room, then a segregated floor then a segregated zone of the university. Under the guise of "safe space" as if this label would make them any safer, or make groups any less suspicious of each other.

I think we are blowing this way out of proportion. It just needs to be actively moderated. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

You a implying some unsubstantiated things about women's ability to speak up at least in this context. On an internet forum, the only thing that is stopping them speaking is access to site. Broadly there is an equal opportunity to send HTTP POST request to the the url with the valid fields.

Anyone could be turned off speaking, but the opportunity remains here. Whether they do so is a another matter. I wouldn't say one group has a monopoly on being intimated. That is just a fact of life, some of us are more outspoken than others. It is not a male or female thing. I'm sure there are plenty of men that are just lurking, and mulling over posting, procrastinating too.

There is a tendency to want to do this race to the bottom. i don't get it. It is like the Four Yorkshire Men sketch social justice style. That is another thing, having inetesectionalism ironically leading to a reductionist pigeonholing exercise attempting to fight bigotry with more bigotry with the same kind of over simplistic arguments.

A segregated L&D is hardly a practical way to get advice about the opposite sex is it?

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