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31 May 2007, 1:37 pm

Yes, you don't need to know much about the Bible to know about attitudes towards women at the time...

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31 May 2007, 1:41 pm

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You really would have a relationship with a woman with a penis, Soph?
if so, than you are more open minded than I am

If they were transgendered then I would consider it as they would be a woman in every other way. I wouldn't have sex with her though.

I don't feel attraction of transgendered people (I mean the ones who physically changed their sex) like a woman with a penis.
Inside me, in my instincts, I feel repulsion.
But, in my small brain, I know I don't have the right to judge that person and to discriminate 'her'.

There is also hate feeling towards them, sadly.

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31 May 2007, 1:42 pm

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There is also hate feeling towards them, sadly.

Yes, which is why I don't tell many people I know in person that I'm transgendered.

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31 May 2007, 1:53 pm

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There is also hate feeling towards them, sadly.

Yes, which is why I don't tell many people I know in person that I'm transgendered.

But you don't have a penis, do you? :lol:

I meant phyisically, I know for all is like that, but is stronger with them.

and you don't look transgendered in your pictures
I have a few questions myself about that, I want to educate myself, I dont want to hurt minority people because of my ignorance. :oops:

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31 May 2007, 1:57 pm

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There is also hate feeling towards them, sadly.

Yes, which is why I don't tell many people I know in person that I'm transgendered.

But you don't have a penis, do you? :lol:

I meant phyisically, I know for all is like that, but is stronger with them.

That's because it's the other way round with me. I am biologically female, they are biologically male.

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31 May 2007, 1:58 pm

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Okay, you're not sexist then. Since a certain gender is what you seek in a partner, would you marry a man who was a woman inside?

Let me rephrase that question in the opossite way:
Ragtime, in your bachelor years would you have asked for a date a man who was a woman inside?

Sopho's gender definitions aren't mine. So, no. You know all too well where mine come from. :wink:

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31 May 2007, 2:00 pm

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Yes, but I mean I would support your decision to marry a biological male who was female inside.

So you don't feel discrimination towards sexual identity? That's a good start. :wink:

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31 May 2007, 2:10 pm

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Yes, but I mean I would support your decision to marry a biological male who was female inside.

That doesn't leave me many though.

What a truly familiar feeling that is for me! I searched for a woman who 1. Was a real Christian, 2. had real wisdom, 3. common sense, 4. was attracted to me, despite my many flaws, 5. was available, 6. lived out her sexual morality of believing in waiting with me until marriage, 7. was a peace-lover above all... and on, and on I could go with my necessary criteria. No one, anywhere I looked, even remotely fit the bill. I was just blessed recently with such a woman. But isn't it the same story for us all? Seems we all say we can't find anyone, and lots of single people of all backgrounds and beliefs all over the world remain single on and on.

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It's a very small chance that the woman I want to marry will be a transexual. And, even then, they have usually changed their sex legally, so are classed as female. Why should it be up to people like you to dictate who I can and can't marry? What is the difference between a woman with a penis and a woman with a vagina that makes one OK?

I don't dictate anything for anyone, and the Bible doesn't tell you who you can and can't marry -- just which species, and which sex. The rest of the decision is up to you.

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31 May 2007, 2:13 pm

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Yes, but I mean I would support your decision to marry a biological male who was female inside.

That doesn't leave me many though.

What a truly familiar feeling that is for me! I searched for a woman who 1. Was a real Christian, 2. had real wisdom, 3. common sense, 4. was attracted to me, despite my many flaws, 5. was available, 6. lived out her sexual morality of believing in waiting with me until marriage, 7. was a peace-lover above all... and on, and on I could go with my necessary criteria. No one, anywhere I looked, even remotely fit the bill. I just got blessed, and, isn't it the same story for us all? Seems we all say we can't find anyone, and lots of single people of all backgrounds and beliefs all over the world remain single on and on.

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I don't dictate anything for anyone, and the Bible doesn't tell you who you can and can't marry -- just which species, and which sex. The rest of the decision is up to you.

1. These aren't just things I'm 'looking for' though. I only like women. Therefore if the oly women I'm ALLOWED to marry are transexuals, then that leaves me very few. However picky you are, at least you are ALLOWED to marry any woman who'll have you.

2. Yes, you are telling me who I can marry. You are telling me that I cannot marry a woman, when the only people I am ever attracted to or would ever want to be in a relationship with are women. You can marry a woman. Yet I can't. That should not be legally OK.

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31 May 2007, 2:14 pm

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You really would have a relationship with a woman with a penis, Soph?
if so, than you are more open minded than I am

I wouldn't have sex with her though.

Wow. Sorry, that just surprises me.

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31 May 2007, 2:15 pm

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You really would have a relationship with a woman with a penis, Soph?
if so, than you are more open minded than I am

I wouldn't have sex with her though.

Wow. Sorry, that just surprises me.

I don't see why. There are some straight men who would say the same thing. I don't know whether I would be attracted to a transexual woman or not, I never have before. But I wouldn't completely rule it out, because it is possible that one day I would.

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31 May 2007, 2:17 pm

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The Bible says the man/father/patriarch should lead the home. Does that denegrate women, making them unequal with men? Not at all. Marriage is simply a role-playing exercise

Yes, that does makes women unequal to men, the Bible was written by MEN, that is why the Bible says that. Women were considered inferiors at that time.

You're awfully certain when it comes to Godly dealings or lack thereof, for someone who claims agnosticism.

That's History
I just don't understand how religious people manage to ignore this fact

History recorded God's dealings or lack of thereof? O-kay... I didn't know we could see God. I also didn't know that written human history recorded every single fact that ever occured on Earth. That's amazing you'd think that it did.

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31 May 2007, 2:19 pm

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Yes, you don't need to know much about the Bible to know about attitudes towards women at the time...

It helps the less you know, in retaining your current opinions. :lol:

Ignorance -- feel the power!

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31 May 2007, 2:19 pm

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History shows us the attitudes of the time towards women and sex.

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31 May 2007, 2:21 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Yes, you don't need to know much about the Bible to know about attitudes towards women at the time...

It helps the less you know, in retaining your current opinions. :lol:

Ignorance -- feel the power!

Wow I can't believe a Christian is talking to me about ignorance!
How am I ignorant? Ignorant of what? I feel the more I know, the more I agree with myself. :wink:

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31 May 2007, 2:22 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Yes, you don't need to know much about the Bible to know about attitudes towards women at the time...

It helps the less you know, in retaining your current opinions. :lol:

Ignorance -- feel the power!

Look who's talking about ignorance :roll:

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