Why are women so desperate for men?

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25 Aug 2017, 10:39 am

Also: Since both men and women now work, and both feel similar stresses as a result, the difference in the life expectancy of men and women might narrow. right now, women do live, on average, about 5 years older than men.



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25 Aug 2017, 10:57 am

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Also: Since both men and women now work, and both feel similar stresses as a result, ...

Speaking of that stress, from looking at the issue in previous years I know there are references out there.
4 references from more or less legitimate sources.

https://www.womenshealth.gov/a-z-topics ... our-health
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Do women react to stress differently than men?
One recent survey found that women were more likely to experience physical symptoms of stress than men. But we don't have enough proof to say that this applies to all women. We do know that women often cope with stress in different ways than men. Women “tend and befriend,” taking care of those closest to them, but also drawing support from friends and family. Men are more likely to have the “fight or flight” response. They cope by “escaping” into a relaxing activity or other distraction.



http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/stress/2010/gender-stress.aspx
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Men and women* report different reactions to stress, both physically and mentally. They attempt to manage stress in very different ways and also perceive their ability to do so — and the things that stand in their way — in markedly different ways. Findings suggest that while women are more likely to report physical symptoms associated with stress, they are doing a better job connecting with others in their lives and, at times, these connections are important to their stress management strategies.

Stress on the Rise for Women
Though they report similar average stress levels, women are more likely than men to report that their stress levels are on the rise. They are also much more likely than men to report physical and emotional symptoms of stress. When comparing women with each other, there also appears to be differences in the ways that married and single women experience stress.
Women are more likely than men (28 percent vs. 20 percent) to report having a great deal of stress (8, 9 or 10 on a 10-point scale).
Almost half of all women (49 percent) surveyed said their stress has increased over the past five years, compared to four in 10 (39 percent) men.


https://www.health.harvard.edu/healthbeat/women-work-stress-and-heart-disease-5-ways-to-protect-yourself
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Harvard researchers have uncovered strong links between women's job stress and cardiovascular disease. Findings from the Women's Health Study (WHS) — a landmark inquiry into disease prevention involving more than 17,000 female health professionals — show that women whose work is highly stressful have a 40% increased risk of heart disease (including heart attacks and the need for coronary artery surgery) compared with their less-stressed colleagues. The results, which were presented at an American Heart Association meeting in 2010, also showed that women who worry about losing their jobs are more likely to have high blood pressure and unhealthy cholesterol levels and to be obese. These findings are especially distressing in the current economic climate.

The researchers used a definition of "job strain" that combines psychological demand and degree of control. Demand refers to the amount, pace, and difficulty of the work. Control means the ability to make work-related decisions or be creative at work.


https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/women/ ... cture.html
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Health Concerns: Work Structure and Stress
Work organization and job stress are topics of growing concern. Levels of stress-related illness are nearly twice as high for women compared to men. 1. Job stress has been linked with heart disease, muscle/bone disorders, depression, and burnout. NIOSH is working to find causes of workplace stress and possible ways to prevent it. Many job conditions add to stress among women, such as (1) heavy workload demands, (2) little control over work, (3) role uncertainty and conflict, (4) job insecurity, (5) poor relationships with coworkers and supervisors, and (6) work that is narrow, repetitive, and boring.


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25 Aug 2017, 11:11 am

^^^Examples of the correlation between what is "common sense" and the results of objective, peer-reviewed research.

I feel a sense of "cognitive dissonance" when that correlation doesn't reveal itself. This is related to a feeling of "counterintuition."



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25 Aug 2017, 3:14 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
My experience is that men and women have common experiences as they get older---so they can identify with each other more.

Men tend to act less "macho," and women tend to act less "girly" the older they get.

Maybe, but aspie men won't ever have common experiences with women.



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25 Aug 2017, 3:45 pm

The kinds of neurodiverse women I am friends with are very disciplined. They're book smart and very black and white about right and wrong.

Most of them burned out working full time and have dropped out of careers and have part time jobs.

They are only human, but they have high standards for themselves. I think they just expect the same standards from a partner. If they are the way they are why wouldn't a man be, is how they think.

Now I can't really tell you much about NT women. They are as much a mystery to me as they are to you.



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25 Aug 2017, 3:52 pm

So...aspie men should work themselves until they burn out in order to live up to the standards expected by aspie women?


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25 Aug 2017, 4:33 pm

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So...aspie men should work themselves until they burn out in order to live up to the standards expected by aspie women?


No.

I was just relating that not all people can cope with full time work. A lot of aspies guys seem concerned that they can't work full time. Guess what. Neither can some women because they're not NT and can't cope with dealing with people in a regular 9-5 office job.

Then I kind of rambled into: even though they work part time they still have routines and still have interests and still put a lot of effort into what they do even if it's not mainstream.

You don't have to be like them, but this is how men and women are different in this particular case. That's why they overlook you. Because they are principled and disciplined and don't want someone who isn't that way ruining their lives that are going ok for them on their own.

And they do view a man as a burden when they enjoy their freedom. Why would they want to cook for some guy obsessed with video gamescand football? What do they get out of it? The cons outweigh the pros for them.

Not your type of woman. Don't worry about it, move on and find someone more suited to you. Its just what i observe about these women.



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25 Aug 2017, 4:56 pm

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The kinds of neurodiverse women I am friends with are very disciplined. They're book smart and very black and white about right and wrong.

Most of them burned out working full time and have dropped out of careers and have part time jobs.

They are only human, but they have high standards for themselves. I think they just expect the same standards from a partner. If they are the way they are why wouldn't a man be, is how they think.

Now I can't really tell you much about NT women. They are as much a mystery to me as they are to you.


Would they date men who work in part time jobs?

I highly doubt so.



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25 Aug 2017, 4:58 pm

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So...aspie men should work themselves until they burn out in order to live up to the standards expected by aspie women?



Aspie men don't have this other choice. ;)



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25 Aug 2017, 5:21 pm

hurtloam wrote:
No.


Then I find your post confusing and/or incoherent.


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I was just relating that not all people can cope with full time work. A lot of aspies guys seem concerned that they can't work full time. Guess what. Neither can some women because they're not NT and can't cope with dealing with people in a regular 9-5 office job.


This is true, this is why I work a part-time job and have partial disability. But you seemed to imply that the higher standard to be aspired to was to have a full-time job, burn out and then go down to part time, and that men working part-time was beneath their standard.


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Then I kind of rambled into: even though they work part time they still have routines and still have interests and still put a lot of effort into what they do even if it's not mainstream.


I'd actually be more concerned if a woman didn't have interests than if she did. We would not have to be joined at the hip, other than for activities that do, in fact, require joining at the hip.


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You don't have to be like them, but this is how men and women are different in this particular case. That's why they overlook you. Because they are principled and disciplined and don't want someone who isn't that way ruining their lives that are going ok for them on their own.


Men aren't principled and disciplined? I think you'd be surprised. And one of the few things that can't really be dealt with alone is loneliness and the desire for companionship which I'd like to think men and women feel in not too disparate amounts. And if you want someone in your life, you have to make time and room for them. That goes for both sexes.


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And they do view a man as a burden when they enjoy their freedom. Why would they want to cook for some guy obsessed with video gamescand football? What do they get out of it? The cons outweigh the pros for them.

As far as aspie men goes, I think you'll find a lot more gamers than football fans. And ladies can like gaming, too. It's inclusive like that. And aren't you stereotyping more than a little here? Maybe ladies would object to cooking for me, but would they mind terribly to be cooked for? I make a mean Bolognese...


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Not your type of woman. Don't worry about it, move on and find someone more suited to you. Its just what i observe about these women.


I'm not even sure what type of woman we are talking about, beyond neurodiverse and, apparently "disciplined" and "principled".


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25 Aug 2017, 11:51 pm

My post is just general observations on people I know who are single and can't meet a guy. They aren't NT that's for sure.

I think their ridgidness is a bit off putting to men actually. They're too perfectionist.

Men here are very into soccer. Finding one who isn't is a rare gem.

That's all. It's not a detailed plan with a point that you have to act on. It's just musings. Sorry if that's confusing, but people are confusing.

It's just an observation on the difference between men and women.

They definitely want men to approach them though. Whether that's right or wrong is another issue. I can't change their attitude. But they'd like clear signals of interest.



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26 Aug 2017, 12:11 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
The kinds of neurodiverse women I am friends with are very disciplined. They're book smart and very black and white about right and wrong.

Most of them burned out working full time and have dropped out of careers and have part time jobs.

They are only human, but they have high standards for themselves. I think they just expect the same standards from a partner. If they are the way they are why wouldn't a man be, is how they think.

Now I can't really tell you much about NT women. They are as much a mystery to me as they are to you.


Would they date men who work in part time jobs?

I highly doubt so.


Probably yes. It would be a rare thing if a man was actually interested in them in the first place. I think work hours would be low down their list of priorities. They are perpetually overlooked.

These are pragmatic women who value other things over money. They buy second hand clothes and look frumpy. But as long as they're not cold they're happy.

I have a weird bunch of friends lol



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26 Aug 2017, 12:15 am

Sorry, but I don't think I would like these female friends of yours; wanting men not to like a popular sport? They sound like control freaks.

And if there are men out there who don't like soccer, those would most probably be geeky and gamers (or Americans lol) - but I guess they don't like those either.

Probably they want Vin Diesel looklike too or some celeb.

And oh, that applies to watching sport too:

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26 Aug 2017, 2:20 am

My goodness I forget how literal you all are.

They've never once said they don't want someone who watches soccer.

I was trying to think of a lazy type of thing as an example when I was half asleep. Lol.

I was trying to think of advantages of single living.

No sport on the tv is a huge one. Life witjout a man is ok.

For you guys no soap operas or costume dramas is a bonus.



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26 Aug 2017, 2:54 am

Tvs aren't much expensive.



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26 Aug 2017, 3:07 am

Talking about soap opera....yesterday a woman cancelled our dance event date because she wanted to rest at home friday nighf and....to watch some soap opera- urgh.
Even thought she was the one who asked me out, it was her idea and I went with the flow.

Tom Hanks or Hugh Grant are certainly more appealing than me, sigh.