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The_Face_of_Boo
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05 Oct 2017, 2:34 pm
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The "going to WC togother" is a cross cultural female thing.
I can imagine a deep, paleolithic reason for that:
Females are physically weaker. In their moments of vulnerability, if they can't turn to the males for protection, they tend to form alliences. Exposing oneself like in a bathroom could end in a sexual attack, so male protection is out of the question here... Even if the bathrooms are now safe, the feeling of vulnerability and striving for allies remains.
Just my survivalistic hypothesis
05 Oct 2017, 2:41 pm
05 Oct 2017, 2:42 pm
magz wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The "going to WC togother" is a cross cultural female thing.
I can imagine a deep, paleolithic reason for that:
Females are physically weaker. In their moments of vulnerability, if they can't turn to the males for protection, they tend to form alliences. Exposing oneself like in a bathroom could end in a sexual attack, so male protection is out of the question here... Even if the bathrooms are now safe, the feeling of vulnerability and striving for allies remains.
Just my survivalistic hypothesis
That's actually the best explanation I've ever heard on this.
05 Oct 2017, 2:54 pm
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05 Oct 2017, 4:29 pm
Closet Genious wrote:
magz wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The "going to WC togother" is a cross cultural female thing.
I can imagine a deep, paleolithic reason for that:
Females are physically weaker. In their moments of vulnerability, if they can't turn to the males for protection, they tend to form alliences. Exposing oneself like in a bathroom could end in a sexual attack, so male protection is out of the question here... Even if the bathrooms are now safe, the feeling of vulnerability and striving for allies remains.
Just my survivalistic hypothesis
That's actually the best explanation I've ever heard on this.
^^ Ditto
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05 Oct 2017, 5:57 pm
magz wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
I live in one of, if not the most gender equal country in the world. And yet we have fewer females going into STEM fields than in third world countries. It's a feminist arguement, that culture has been holding females back from being scientists and engineers.
That is not so simple, lots of the cultural factors are invisible.
During another internet argument about one-gender and coed schools I found some study results that conclude: The overall difference between one-gender and coed schools vary by state so largely that no universal conclusions can be given - except for that one:
In one-gender schools girls score higher in STEM and boys score higher in humanities than in the co-eds.
So some girls may be unaware of the fact that they may avoid choosing STEM because they see it un-feminine, not because of other factors.
Another interesting article on this: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-39579321 Russia is not considered the leader of equality and yet... in this field they beat the West by a knock-out.
Let's shock you even more fellas, look who's top 1 (my tiny country is amomg the list!):
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In the Gulf region, women comprise 60 percent of engineering students in universities, compared with 30 percent in the U.S. and Europe, according to UNESCO.
It seems girls in those countries don't waste so much time and energy on feminism debates and focus on their studies instead
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05 Oct 2017, 10:53 pm
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
magz wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
I live in one of, if not the most gender equal country in the world. And yet we have fewer females going into STEM fields than in third world countries. It's a feminist arguement, that culture has been holding females back from being scientists and engineers.
That is not so simple, lots of the cultural factors are invisible.
During another internet argument about one-gender and coed schools I found some study results that conclude: The overall difference between one-gender and coed schools vary by state so largely that no universal conclusions can be given - except for that one:
In one-gender schools girls score higher in STEM and boys score higher in humanities than in the co-eds.
So some girls may be unaware of the fact that they may avoid choosing STEM because they see it un-feminine, not because of other factors.
Another interesting article on this: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-39579321 Russia is not considered the leader of equality and yet... in this field they beat the West by a knock-out.
Let's shock you even more fellas, look who's top 1 (my tiny country is amomg the list!):
Quote:
In the Gulf region, women comprise 60 percent of engineering students in universities, compared with 30 percent in the U.S. and Europe, according to UNESCO.
It seems girls in those countries don't waste so much time and energy on feminism debates and focus on their studies instead
.This doesn't shock me. Most of my female classmates were from these countries. I think there are various cultural reasons that lead women from muslim regions and India to study STEM more often than western women.
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05 Oct 2017, 11:32 pm
Chronos wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
magz wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
I live in one of, if not the most gender equal country in the world. And yet we have fewer females going into STEM fields than in third world countries. It's a feminist arguement, that culture has been holding females back from being scientists and engineers.
That is not so simple, lots of the cultural factors are invisible.
During another internet argument about one-gender and coed schools I found some study results that conclude: The overall difference between one-gender and coed schools vary by state so largely that no universal conclusions can be given - except for that one:
In one-gender schools girls score higher in STEM and boys score higher in humanities than in the co-eds.
So some girls may be unaware of the fact that they may avoid choosing STEM because they see it un-feminine, not because of other factors.
Another interesting article on this: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-39579321 Russia is not considered the leader of equality and yet... in this field they beat the West by a knock-out.
Let's shock you even more fellas, look who's top 1 (my tiny country is amomg the list!):
Quote:
In the Gulf region, women comprise 60 percent of engineering students in universities, compared with 30 percent in the U.S. and Europe, according to UNESCO.
It seems girls in those countries don't waste so much time and energy on feminism debates and focus on their studies instead
.This doesn't shock me. Most of my female classmates were from these countries. I think there are various cultural reasons that lead women from muslim regions and India to study STEM more often than western women.
Yet in the IT courses that I took there were very few females, but these were "continuity studies" (certificates); I was told by colleagues tho that they had many women in IT faculties tho. In my previous workplace, half of the IT were females in the company's early years, yet few were coders though.
Cultural reasons? Hmm.... I think one reason may be that humanities majors aren't seen so positively here. Psychlogy? it's a laughing stock thing here, yet it's a very popular major among women in the west.
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