Blog post on the epidemic of forced celibacy in males

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I don't think I can say anything that'll convince anyone that prostitution is not the same as getting on a train to a Nazi concentration camp.

There was that one time when a prostitute slapped my butt at the office and I got her put in prison for sexual harassment. I was young and caught up in the masculism movement, I beg your forgiveness. That she killed herself over the world's failure to acknowledge her petty needs to "not be put in prison for nothing" was her doing entirely.

I mean, who cares about her when there are countless others who really "get" how to behave and look? For instance, there was this one who cared so little about her appearance that she was in a wheelchair. I looked at her and was like, "lol wtf?? Can't you get a clue?" I can't be bothered to pity people like that when I'm an idiot.



Please don't tell me you'd consider MURDERING someone if they killed your family, horribly disfigured you with fire, and then posted a video of it on YouTube.

^Okay, this type of hyperbole really undermines the point you're trying to make.

In terms of a lack of sex/repeated rejection being equal to rape.....I guess you'd have to experience both before most people would be willing to accept that there's any parity between the two. So, for the sake of argument, you've experienced the lack of sex and repeated rejection - so do you believe being anally raped by a bunch of violent attackers would make your life better, worse, or have no impact at all?

Obviously, I wouldn't wish that on anyone - I'm just trying to make a point. I don't think being physically brutalized sexually would be a positive experience. I don't think it would be a wash, either. I think it would be devastating, in ways that repeated rejection and a lack of sex are not. Again, I'm not saying that being unwanted is a trivial impact. But being unwanted is not on the same level as being sexually brutalized.

For example, there's a relatively simple solution to being unwanted: paying for the privilege. Unfortunately, no amount of money can take away the devastation caused by rape.

As to the debate about prostitution, I wish it were legalized. As other people have stated, regulation would ensure that sex workers are safe, healthy, and fairly compensated. Additionally, I have no moral problem with the concept. In a very real way, the continued effort to keep prostitution illegal is just one more instance of government trying to control what a woman does with her body. Honestly - it's her vagina. If she wants to barter it/rent it - who's business is that but hers?

Cute sob story.
If someone loved you, you wouldn't have to PAY them to be with you. It's a JOB.
If you feel that your "right to exist" is contingent on having sex, that's tragic.

This demonstrates your sociopathic lack of empathy.
When asked how you can defend a profession that destroys lives,
you imply that without it, you would choose to rape women in order to get off,
yet ANOTHER dead giveaway that your "it's about love and affection" spiel is a gross red herring.
So long as it's not YOU who's suffering, you couldn't care less.

If anyone has problems with prostitution, they should fight for it's a. legalization and b. government subsidization? Yeah, that makes sense...

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If she had a legitimate "need" to molest others, in the workplace or otherwise, she qualifies for a number of psychiatric illness criteria. I can't help but think the world would be a better place without people who have a compulsion who harm others, so I would consider her suicide a blessing of sorts.

Cute ad hominem there at the end, but I really don't know what you're on about.

So...you not being able to get sex....is equivalent to murder and assault now?
And vigilante vengeance on a murderer is equivalent to raping an innocent woman to get your rocks off?

Normally I'd refrain from language like this, but


WHAT THE f**k IS WRONG WITH YOU?

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Nostromos, I am so glad that Bethie is contributing to this thread. No one illustrates my point above better than she does.

What point is that, the EVILS of feminism?

What irritates you more as a misogynist,
the fact that I'm free to speak my mind,
or that when I do, I call out people on their supposed "right" to use women's bodies?

What?? I don't think being raped is good! I think it would be severely traumatizing, that's why I used it as an example you would respond to!

But what would it do? Introduce seemingly intractable self-esteem problems. Make others think less of you. Lead to years of struggling to cope with it. Severe depression, delirious rage at the opposite sex whom you hallucinate is evil and out to get you. Chronic suicidal ideation and substance abuse to dissociate yourself from the pain. Sounds familiar to me!

Uh huh, and no amount of sex can replace the work you have to do to love yourself again. Although it sure helps, just like money would.

BS.

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One is a trauma forced on you against your will through assault...
the other the result of your CHOOSING to equate your self-worth with ability to get sex.

They're not in any way analogous.

I didn't want to believe you at first, but I'm starting to get this now. All the same, I'm sad to say this is the most fun I've had in weeks. You could say this is my "special interest"... I should be working or sleeping right now.

Bethie, talking to you is like talking to a right-wing pundit. You kind of refuse to listen to what I'm saying, then either twist facts to suit your personal beliefs or reiterate your refrain of "no man has the right to have sex with a woman". For example:



So what you're saying is a slap on the butt is criminal molestation, and makes you certifiably mentally ill? And... And then she... You know what, forget it.

Wait, no. If she forced me to have sex with her, then it wouldn't have been a crime unless she was diseased or looked like Rodney Dangerfield. Got that?

You know what's so fun about this? I get to argue with people who harm others because of their totally inflexible attitudes about human sexuality. But that's Algebra, let's cover some basic arithmetic:



I'm not afraid to speak my mind. And I'm not terribly interested in hurting anyone's feelings, either. I just want to make you see the truth.

Bethie, let's return to what I think is a very good illustration of something you didn't seem to get at all:



Forget about prostitutes, male sexuality, just forget about sex. Put yourself in the above position. You are human. You had to have your butt wiped when you were a little girl. You had to have someone take care of you. You needed someone to love you and make all your struggles mean something.

Only your father didn't. He made you feel like an imbecile about doing the things small children are supposed to do. How does that make you feel? Don't tell me you'd just shoulder it and reject him. You'd be deeply hurt in ways impossible for anyone else to understand because they had fathers that actually loved them.

You need to tell me if this makes you feel anything before we move on.

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You might notice I'm responding to you with examples. This is because a man typically experiences the world in ways I wouldn't expect you to understand, that wouldn't be fair.

That being said, your discomfort after being punched in the face by a mugger is the result of your CHOOSING to equate your pain with the fact that you were just punched in the face.

Aaaaand I guess it's still okay to invalidate the existence of someone who suffers, as long as it's not from a sexual assault? There are worse things you can do to someone, you know!

If this is the most fun you have had in weeks, then I think you need a vacation. Seriously, why don't you look for a nice woman in a non-feminist country? I don't know where you live, but I live in El Paso, Texas, and if you live anywhere near me, I would be glad to take you into Mexico to places where women are sane. I think you deserve more fun in life than debating with Bethie.

I certainly do deserve more fun in life, sure. Isn't Mexico extremely dangerous right now? And I've been told that it takes a LOT of money to emigrate anywhere.

That's why I should be working or sleeping. But... Engaging in a dialogue about something I'm intensely interested in for a change... So... Addicting...

Can't let it go... Just can't let it go...

I'll cut the crap. Yes, that essentially IS how I experienced things as a younger man. Sexual and romantic rejection to young men is one of the greatest failures they can know. I'm telling you this straight. Get the hell over it.

This is why monks and wise men who can disregard the sex urge deserve so much respect. If there weren't so many enslaved manginas preaching the submissive gospel, someone you respect would have told you this by now. Or you wouldn't have been so spoiled and full of yourself to believe things are exactly as how you want them to be.

I will NOT acquiesce and give you any more undeserved power by saying "yeah, you really do have a point that no man deserves to indulge the desires that ride him so savagely". YOU are the sociopath for refusing to understand and help satisfy them. You are the sociopath for choosing to retreat into your menstrual-sausage tower where an endless succession of manginas eat you out and reinforce your belief that having sex is just a non-isssue and that anyone that thinks otherwise is a dangerous potential rapist who should be castrated and locked up with men likely to murder him.

You are the sick one, not me. If you want to convince me otherwise, let me make love with you. I play guitar and I'm very good with my hands.

*shrug*

No, sex is apparently not a "non-issue" for you. That's very unfortunate. I'm glad you had enough sense to go to a hooker, and I support the legalization of prostitution.

However, your "need" for sex doesn't obligate me, or any other woman for that matter, to provide you with sex, nor does it give you, or any other man the right to murder, rape, or otherwise harm women due to frustration. The "Pa, Gym Shooter" wasn't some unsung hero, or a helpless victim; he was a psychopath. Period. Anyone who approves or supports the random murder of innocent people has a much deeper problem than sexual frustration. I understand the motivations behind bullied children who shoot-up their high schools, but that doesn't mean I think highly of the murderers or support their actions.

Furthermore, I'm no more morally obligated to provide you with sex than I am to give a homeless bum all of my money. Yes, the homeless bum is in a great deal of emotional pain due to the fact of his being penniless in a society of wealth and privilage, and I'm sure he suffers daily emotional and physical trauma on account of being homeless and without means; however, I'm STILL not obligated to give him every last cent in my savings account for the purposes of eliminating his suffering. People suffer. It's unfortunate. But no one is under any obligation to put themselves in harms way to alleviate "suffering."

Do you/have you suffered? I'm sure you have. Does it obligate me, or any other woman, to risk pregnancy, disease, or the ownership of our bodies to alleviate your suffering? Afraid not. Just so you know, I'm also not planning on shipping all of my worldly goods to Africa because the poverty-stricken population might really, really want my flat screen TV, and it would mitigate their suffering.

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I think the argument against prostitution is pretty much summed up in the following quote by Dr Janice Raymond, Professor of Internation Health:

And to those who delude themselves into thinking legalisation makes things better she says:



http://action.web.ca/home/catw/readingr ... ml?x=16741

If an adult women consents to be in such a position....more power to her seeing as I believe adult women as being able to make their own choices. Frankly, that argument sounds like a lot of hot air with little evidence. From my personal experience, most men are perfectly capable of lusting after women, having sex with many women, and still seeing them as human beings.

And women have always been "sexualized." This isn't a modern invention.



Then they need to tighten-up their regulations.