Most Aspie men are in over their heads with dating.

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You have a point. Also, let me clarify...I'm in no way saying I'm better than any other guy for wanting sensual over hardcore...but I am saying that it is different and that I don't want to be looked at as a guy that just wants to use women (not saying that's you either, but for some guys on here, that applies.)

and so you validate hers.

you are not being attacked out of nowhere; you leave us no choice but to agree with your disgusting assertions or defend against them.

I'm sorry but nothing could be further from the truth. In the book "Sex and Culture" anthropologist Unwin studied all known isolated cultures to find what factors correlated with their level of development, and he found that only one factor had a perfect correlation, and this was female premarital chastity. In all of the most developed cultures, women were required to be virgins at marriage. He then studied history and found that this was also true in all rising cultures, while in declining culture, women were generally sexually unrestrained. I have researched the historical side of this myself to confirm it, and this is most definitely the case. Feminism is hardly a new idea. It was present in virtually all declining empires. When a society lost its ability to regulate female sexually, it quickly collapsed. Our society will do the same.



You are right in that Feminism is neither a coherent force nor only about women. Feminism is strongly supported by the immoral men in society since they have much to gain from it sexually. And most women are not active feminists but are rather just influenced by feminist culture which ruins them as people. Feminism is not the result of a conspiracy or planned movement (and in this, differs from Nazism). Rather it is part of the natural process of the cultural disintegration of a culture.



This is just funny. To call feminist women "independent thinkers" is absurd. Feminism is the status quo. And in general feminism causes women to do the opposite of what you describe. Feminism causes women to sublimate their natural instinct to form a family, something many women regret when they have wasted their youth screwing thugs and are now too old to attract a stable man to form a family.



I am most willing to discuss this matter in a reasonable manner and I believe I have done so. You have been polite so far with me, so I have been polite with you. I hope we can keep it this way.

While personal rejection affects how I feel, my ideas came much later. As I mentioned, the three brightest American men that I have known have been destroyed by our feminist culture, one went crazy, one killed himself, and one is in prison. So besides my personal experience, I have seen other good men destroyed and I have seen the obvious cultural decay that has occurred during my lifetime. I wanted to understand what is going wrong, so I did research, reading anthropology, history, and primate behavior, and I reached the conclusions that I have expressed here.

Fair enough.

you are an oppressor, who imagines that he is being oppressed by those whom he wishes to keep down.

there is nothing polite about you.

notreally, no, you haven't. you take potshots at american women, and when they defend themselves (actually we are women from many countries here), you take elaborate leaps of logic to try to prove a point that is not founded in reality.

you made up your mind about women and feminist society based on your own past rejections. apparently, according to your own assertions, you are undesirable to american women, but that does not mean that millions of women have some cultural flaw. perhaps, it is possible that they see right into you, and they don't like what they see.

if this were true that there is something wrong with american feminism, then there should be hordes of men who do not have fulfilling relationships and who cannot ever find happiness. sure, some people will not ever marry, but nothing has changed since feminism - there have always been individuals in every society who stayed single for one reason or another. both men and women.

you can try to gather all of the statistics you want, but you are defending an indefensible idea. your underlying point itself is flawed (feminism = naziism), and therefore any supposed supporting research that you quote is frankly preposterous to even argue about.

Female (lack of) logic at its finest. Men, please note how all women here have responded to my position, by personal attacks and ridicule and refusing honest dialog.

I don't expect most men here to understand what I am saying, but if I manage to reach just a few men and save them from being destroyed by feminism, then I will feel that my effort here was well worth it.

I never said I thought I was entitled to anything, least of all sex. I just really want to feel loved is all. And you have no idea what it feels like to really want to feel loved and yet not deserve said love. This is a support forum, and I need places like this for, well, support. I can't ask for such emotional support in the real world; I'm a fully grown man, and that is not acceptable behavior for such. That said, people like fs wanting to impose their extremist opinions on others is wrong, and runs counter to the theme of support that this forum is supposed to have.

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no, it wasn't a personal attack. a personal attack would be aimed at your character. i was aiming at your unfounded arguments. you can try to be a martyr, but it doesn't make sense.

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let us save men and women both from you and your poisonous ideas.

yes.

(i noticed that perhaps there is a lack of respect for both genders coming from fs? why?)

Let me address this one point. There are hordes of men who do not have fulfilling relationships. Many of them are divorced or are married to worthless wives. But this can't be objectively measured, so can't be debated well. But the statement "nothing has changed since feminism" is beyond absurd. Just look at something that can be objectively measured, illegitimacy rates:

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that's true.

What do you mean by "impose" opinions? I want to expose men here to an opinion that they may not have been exposed to before, and allow them to decide for themselves whether or not they accept it. And I expect that most will not accept it. I don't want to impose anything on anyone. I only want a free exchange of ideas.

do you see that your arguments stop making rational sense when you use phrases like this?

anyway, your use of this statistic makes an assumption that illegitimacy is bad in and of itself. perhaps single parents are better able to independently support their children now, than pre-feminism (as a random example of the top of my head)... and that could be a good thing - better to raise a child alone than in what could be a potentially dysfunctional relationship. you don't know the circumstances.

an illegitimate child is not necessarily a bad thing. once again, your arguments are based on premises that don't hold water. oh, and correlations do not equal causes.

if you spoke of african-american people (for example) the way you speak of women, it would not be tolerated. i assume you would not want to reverse the civil rights movement, and your opinions about feminism are equally horrible.