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12 May 2012, 9:54 pm

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It's more that there are certain essential things that must be there. If any one of these things is missing, the relationship is a no go for me. Physical attraction, just like having a compatible personality and good moral character, is one of those essentials.

I mean, I could find someone stunningly beautiful, but if they didn't have the other qualities I was looking for I'd leave them too.

you would realise that ahead of time though. we are talking about someone that you must be compatible with already, so you would be leaving them because they are fat. that is really sad to me. it makes the whole relationship hang on something physical.


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12 May 2012, 9:55 pm

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Why should people be forced to date people they aren't attracted to?

at no point has anyone suggested that it should happen, yet it has been brought up by several people in this thread.


Actually, Dw_a_mom said pretty clearly that men who won't date women they're not attracted to are the reason that girls have low self-esteem.

that doesn't equal telling people they must be forced to date people.


but it is telling them that what they find attractive is wrong. It's not forcing them to date people they are unattracted to, it's telling them who they are allowed to find attractive, which amounts to pretty much the same thing.

nobody said they can't date thin women. in fact the best case scenario would be choosing to date someone on deeper criteria than body size.

attraction isn't set in stone. it is malleable to some degree at least. but for some reason there is this idea from many people on WP that attraction cannot and should not change. but why not?


Attraction can change, and there is nothing wrong with it changing, but it's not something people can consciously choose to change.

sure they can. but in most cases they don't really want to.


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12 May 2012, 9:57 pm

That is called desperation and settling.



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12 May 2012, 9:59 pm

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That is called desperation and settling.

no, it doesn't have to be called that. fat people are not below thin people, just different. i'd call it being more open-minded. you are definitely reinforcing what i was saying - people don't WANT to change their preferences.


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12 May 2012, 10:01 pm

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That is called desperation and settling.

no, it doesn't have to be called that. fat people are not below thin people, just different. i'd call it being more open-minded. you are definitely reinforcing what i was saying - people don't WANT to change their preferences.


Why would I want to settle? I'm not that desperate.

It is worded differently, but what you are saying and I'm saying is the same thing.

It requires Party 'A' to consciously come to the conclusion that without lowering their standards/widening their preferences they won't get a mate. In the short term this may be beneficial to party 'B' due to now having a new potential mate who is interested in them. but unless the change is either genuine, or so late in life, party 'A' will likely eventually stray and start looking for someone else.



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12 May 2012, 10:02 pm

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That is called desperation and settling.

no, it doesn't have to be called that. fat people are not below thin people, just different. i'd call it being more open-minded. you are definitely reinforcing what i was saying - people don't WANT to change their preferences.


Why would I want to settle? I'm not that desperate.

it's not settling, and it doesn't involve desperation... because fat people aren't objectively less attractive than thin people.


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12 May 2012, 10:07 pm

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That is called desperation and settling.

no, it doesn't have to be called that. fat people are not below thin people, just different. i'd call it being more open-minded. you are definitely reinforcing what i was saying - people don't WANT to change their preferences.


Why would I want to settle? I'm not that desperate.

it's not settling, and it doesn't involve desperation... because fat people aren't objectively less attractive than thin people.


They are, to me.



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12 May 2012, 10:07 pm

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nobody said they can't date thin women.

There is such a thing as too thin, too.

I tend not to be that picky, but there are things that are just not attractive. My list of unattractive things won't necessarily match someone else's.

If you look at paintings of naked women from several hundred years ago, they all tend to be rather curvy. I'd guess that men from that culture would not like our supermodels much.

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attraction isn't set in stone. it is malleable to some degree at least. but for some reason there is this idea from many people on WP that attraction cannot and should not change. but why not?

Attraction can certainly change. You can also be attracted to someone who has characteristics that you normally find somewhat unattractive.

I dislike short hair, blonde hair, and curly hair. One of the most attractive girls I've seen has short, curly, blonde hair.

Given a choice between a girl who was a sweetheart but overweight, and a girl who was a drop-dead gorgeous hottie but a b***h, I'd take the sweetheart for sure. There are limits on how much overweight I could go, though.


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12 May 2012, 10:09 pm

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That is called desperation and settling.

no, it doesn't have to be called that. fat people are not below thin people, just different. i'd call it being more open-minded. you are definitely reinforcing what i was saying - people don't WANT to change their preferences.


Why would I want to settle? I'm not that desperate.

it's not settling, and it doesn't involve desperation... because fat people aren't objectively less attractive than thin people.


They are, to me.

that is pretty much exactly what DW was talking about when she expressed it as a social problem. you are using language that expresses that there is something wrong with fat people, whereas they just aren't your taste.


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12 May 2012, 10:15 pm

But. There. Is. Something. Wrong. With. Them.



Just like there is something wrong with me and you or we wouldn't be on this website.



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12 May 2012, 10:25 pm

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But. There. Is. Something. Wrong. With. Them.



Just like there is something wrong with me and you or we wouldn't be on this website.


Im bwoken :cry:


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12 May 2012, 10:50 pm

My dating criteria for women is about 27-28 BMI (BMI is dumb, but yes) and about 30% bodyfat. I think I'm being reasonable, as I'm about 17-20% BF, and women get an extra 10% as if they drop to 10% they stop menstruating.

If my partner became fat, if it was at the same rate as me, I wouldn't care. Basically, I'd expect of her equivalence to myself. As far as if we're married, you know, the vows are "in sickness and in health" and fatness is a sickness, so yeah. You know, I'd be stuck then. I certainly wouldn't be happy with it, and I'd try to encourage exercise and dieting and stuff, but if that's no go, then...no go, I gotta suck it up and live with it. I do plan on marrying, though, and not just living with my girlfriend and having kids like it seems most people do nowadays, due to the collapse of American society.

As far as a girlfriend, though... I'm pretty active of a person, and basically I'm so vested into my athletic hobbies that normal people basically think I'm nuts. So I think that'd be an obstacle to a lot of relationships for me. Everyone in my house thinks I'm weird for being at all nutritionally or exercise conscious. So I'm assuming most other people would think the same. So even if a girl who played WoW and ate Cheetos 18 hours a day was initially attracted to me, I don't think it'd work as it'd just be a hobby/interest clash. They'd have to be at the very least tolerant of my health consciousness, and I can't imagine too many girls who'd be tolerant toward my skating, gym going, and homecooking if they weren't already doing something similar.

Since my weight has fluctuated in life, being sorta "fat" for a lot of my adolescence into adulthood, I know what the reasons are behind people getting fat, and I know how hard losing weight is, so I'm empathetic to a point, but if people can't be bothered to try to live a healthy life, you know, I can't "make" them. The other thing, too, I've seen girls who are sorta "fat" but are still athletic as all hell, a girl like that I'd probably get along with more than a skinnyfat party girl who once she hits 35 will turn into a blob.

I think, though, if I was married, and about 40 years old or so, and wasn't skating anymore, and Godwilling my body still works correctly, I'd just eat like mad and go into heavyweight or superheavyweight class in powerlifting or Olympic lifting. That'd be sweet. I don't wanna look like that at 20, as that'd just suck, but if you're 40 or 50 or so, hey, the wife is stuck with you, you know? Women, would you be pissed if your man decided to look like this at age 40 for the sake of picking heavy things up and putting them down?
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12 May 2012, 10:54 pm

mds_02 wrote:
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If anyone dumped me because of my weight, its pretty clear that they are shallow and all about looks. I would not want that person in my life anyway. Like/ love someone for who they are.

Back in college, I met a few girls that were overweight that I liked, but they said they would never go out with my because of my weight. They wanted someone thin. Hypocrates.


But what if you like/love someone for who they are, and then they change?

everyone changes. have you seen an 80 year old man naked? even if he is as fit as a fiddle, he sure as heck doesn't look like he is 20.


Yeah, but I think it's a safe assumption that this thread was not about the gradual changes wrought by aging but more likely about dramatic changes happening over a a relatively short period of time.

no, we are talking about both.


No, you're talking about both.

Some people said that they'd leave if a partner just completely let themselves go. A few people took offence and started talking about how the body changes when people age. This is not the same as someone letting themselves go.

people on the thread have been talking about both. i haven't mentioned either in particular. you didn't specify which you were talking about. it's nitpicky anyways, like would 5lb per decade be ok but not 10?


People brought up aging and gradual changes in response to people who were not talking at all about aging. 5-10 pounds in a decade is hardly letting yourself go. I've seen people pack on 50-70 pounds in a single year, when I talk about someone letting themselves go, that's what I'm referring to.

it saddens me that people would want to leave someone if they gained weight, especially if it was due to emotional issues. isn't that the very time when people should be sticking by a partner?


Do you think a relationship without physical attraction is healthy? Would you rather be single, or have a partner that isn't attracted to you? I'd pick single. There's only so much a person can do when their partner enters a self-destructive cycle like this. I mean, I'll try to help my partner, sure. But if they refuse that help, I'm out.

i would hope someone would be attracted to a person on a deeper level than just physical, then it can be trusted to linger.


Dn't assume that because the physical matters that it is everything.

it may as well be everything if it is an absolute dealbreaker. all of the rest wouldn't matter just because the person was fat.


It's more that there are certain essential things that must be there. If any one of these things is missing, the relationship is a no go for me. Physical attraction, just like having a compatible personality and good moral character, is one of those essentials.

I mean, I could find someone stunningly beautiful, but if they didn't have the other qualities I was looking for I'd leave them too.


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12 May 2012, 10:56 pm

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you would realise that ahead of time though.


Well, no. There's actually been plenty of times that I didn't realize until too late that a woman did not actually have the other qualities I was looking for.

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we are talking about someone that you must be compatible with already, so you would be leaving them because they are fat. that is really sad to me. it makes the whole relationship hang on something physical.


Being a bit more frank about it, are you saying that I should give up, for the rest of my life, the possibility of having a fulfilling sex life? Because that's what I'd be doing by choosing to stay with someone I was no longer physically attracted to.

I put effort into ensuring that my partner is fulfilled. Including maintaining my appearance at a certain standard (not that I have that much to work with, but I do the best I can with what I got) so that she'll continue to find me attractive. And I do not find this a particularly onerous burden. When she gives me some sign that I'm succeeding, I take great pleasure in that. Why should I not expect the same consideration in return?

And bear in mind here, even if we may disagree about what others were talking about, that I've already established that I'm not talking about weight gain from pregnancy, or getting older, or anything that is out of her control. Nor am I talking about expecting her to meet some ridiculous, media inspired standard. I am talking about a partner who allows herself, through negligence, to go through a dramatic change that she knows I find unappealing. One who, when concerns are expressed and help is offered, chooses to remain on the same course.


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12 May 2012, 11:00 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
mds_02 wrote:
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Why should people be forced to date people they aren't attracted to?

at no point has anyone suggested that it should happen, yet it has been brought up by several people in this thread.


Actually, Dw_a_mom said pretty clearly that men who won't date women they're not attracted to are the reason that girls have low self-esteem.

that doesn't equal telling people they must be forced to date people.


but it is telling them that what they find attractive is wrong. It's not forcing them to date people they are unattracted to, it's telling them who they are allowed to find attractive, which amounts to pretty much the same thing.

nobody said they can't date thin women. in fact the best case scenario would be choosing to date someone on deeper criteria than body size.

attraction isn't set in stone. it is malleable to some degree at least. but for some reason there is this idea from many people on WP that attraction cannot and should not change. but why not?


Attraction can change, and there is nothing wrong with it changing, but it's not something people can consciously choose to change.

sure they can. but in most cases they don't really want to.


Can you please tell me how one would go about that. The idea that someone could choose to be attracted to something that previously they found unappealing is baffling to me. I can't wrap my head around the concept.


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12 May 2012, 11:10 pm

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Can you please tell me how one would go about that. The idea that someone could choose to be attracted to something that previously they found unappealing is baffling to me. I can't wrap my head around the concept.


Well, think of it this way. What would you say to someone who went around making shopping decisions based completely on the packaging, and apparently being incapable of grasping that he should be buying the corn flakes, not the box they come in?

And what would you think of such a person if we lived in a future where the packaging changed over time? :lol: