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And what's the problem with that? when he has accepted the responsability of staying with you?

Usually 'nice guys' try to flirt showing how they would behave as boyfriends. It's not the most effective way to flirt, of course, but... 'unacceptable'? What's the problem with it? If you want it, you buy it, if you don't want it, you don't buy it. Dammit, it's simple. And don't tell me that women are inocent victims that are fooled. They know the game.

What? You want to have a guy for free without 'buying' him? And if he doesn't agree then it's 'unacceptable'?

C'mon

That remains me that quote:

Whenever a woman says "baby, die for me because you're a man," look her directly in the eye and say "my body, my choice."

Nope, they dont deserve. Noone deserves an relationship. You dont earn that. There is no: You have to do or be like that and then you deserve an relationship, as you deserve loan at the end of the month if you work for an company.

Do you deserve your friends? You simply met without plan some people, who you really liked, that out of different causes you have a special link with them. And thats why you are friends with them. You dont deserve friends. Do you go to man and tell them: "He, I would be a really cool nice friend for you. I can ... and are willing to do ... . So I deserve your friendship. If you refuse that although according to my stats I deserve your friendship, then you and your whole sex must be blamed for it.

I dont think, that this is the way, how you found people that you call friends. You didnt demand their friendship, because of you deserving a mans friendship, because you know its stupid to have a friend, that is only your friend, because of you demanding it. Thats simply not working in itself. A friendship can only be given freely. So you can do lost of stuff, to become sympathic in the eyes of someone, so he gives you his friendship freely, but you cant demand a friendship, because of you deserving it, of someone because of you doing this and that.

You will as well meet people, that are nice to you, so you know by logical, theoretical thinking, that these are really nice people, that try to become your friends. But however, you dont get that special link or feeling on your side toward that person, that is causing you to call that guy to come over for a beer and playing some video games. You know he is no bad person, but whyever, his presence, feels not like the relaxing presence of a friend. And thats something you normally simply accept. You dont force yourself to be a friend to that person, because of you deserving that. Its wrong to pretend to be someone friends, because a friendship is not based on someone feeling guilty, but on two people liking each other, enjoying to spend time together, and doing that freely, because of them both enjoying it.

So no, as you cannot deserve friendships, you cannot as well deserve relationships. And there is as well no use if it was otherwise: Because which benefit would you think to have, from having an relationship or friendship with a person, that is only agreeing to it, not because he/she likes you, but because you would deserve it?

OK. So, what we do know? Do we castrate them? Because if they don't deserve a relationship, I don't see the problem with it.

And, if they don't deserve friends, what's then? Do we make them walk in the street looking down because they don't deserve to have human contact with the other human beings.

Better, let's take them to a gas chamber. At the end, they don't deserve to have a relationship, neither to have friends, so I just wonder if they deserve to be alive or to walk down the street, as the rest of the word. Not sure, though.

Expectations in the meaning of hope, sure. Expectations in the meaning of demanding. As well. But as every human, also woman are allowed to feel demanding expectations, as pressuring, and so making the person, causing that negative pressure, as a person causing negative emotions and feelings, and so getting less sympathic.

You are absolutly allowed to do everything you want, as long as it not against the laws, but if you do something, that gives people negative feelings about you, they are as well allowed to spend their time with people, giving them less negative feelings.

With which normal friend you would rather like to spend your time. The one asking you freely, what you wanna do now, and accepting the way you feel, when you say as example that today you dont wanna do anything more? Or the one telling you, that because of you both doing this and that in the afternoon, he would have expected that you both would be doing this and that now, and that is giving you the negative feeling of you disappointing him, and being responsible for his negative feelings, which is pressuring you?

Dammit... I just don't understand.

A guy likes you. You don't like the guy. But you realizes that he likes you because this is quite obvious, and you feel bad for it.

So... WHY you meet him??? Seriously, why??? You keep meeting him... and blaming him. Because you feel bad when you meet him. The solution is easy, as Nike's slogan says (well, almost): "Just don't do it". Don't. Don't meet him.

As easy as that.

Why do WE have to do something with THEM? Noone belongs to noone. As you dont have rights to demand or deserve something, other dont have that as well. If someone wants to castrate himself and is grown up, he/she is free to do so, and dont need other people to ask for that. This is an desicion you do on your own and that you are responsible alone, so if other people are not involved on that decision and are not responsible for it, why should anyone castrate any other person?

Do you have to castrate woman, that find no partners? O_o How do you ge to that weird thought, only because of being a free person among other free person, and having no rights to demand or deserve something from them? O_o

WE do nothing, because they are free person as you and me, and so its up to THEM to decide, what they want to do. They are no slaves, that need to do what other tell them. They are free and independent persons, and so are free to decide on their own, what they want to do. Why should others decide that for them? Do you force other people, that have no friend, to walk through streets looking down? So why should others have the idea of doing so?



Why do you think, it is upon you, to decide what shall happen to another person, only because of him/her not having this or that? O_o Why do you think, that others should do that, and why do you think that people cant decide on their own, how they want to spent their life?

I want to remember what I told you about pressure. You are right now trying to manipulate me that way. You try to push an responsibility on me, thats not existing, to put pressure on me, to get me to behave the way you want, out of bad feelings/feeling guilty.

Let me ask you exactly: Do you think that "nice" people try to make people feel bad and sad, to get their ways? Do you think that I would be "nice" to you, if I played that people manipulating game otherwise by crying around and blaimg you "Oho, because of you being so bad to me and so agressive, I know MUST feel so bad. I have no other choice to feel about that, and you were causing that, by your bad, bad behavior. You are responsible! You are guilty! You have to feel ashamed! I deserve to be treated as a human person, and not be agressively attacked by you, because of me only telling my oppinion! If you denie me, what I deserve, to be treated as a human person, what is it that you want to do with me? Castrate me? Put me in a gas chamber? Force me to walk down the street with my head hanging down?"

So did the last paragraph raise your sympathy against me? If not, then this means that I am not a nice person, because nice person, are called nice person, because of them acting nice and so raising other peoples sympathy. If that paragraph instead lowered your sympathy against me, then its because of it not being something that is related in any way with being nice.

Well, fine. But you're avoidig the main issue.

They don't deserve a relationship. That's OK. So, the question that remains: what do you propose exactly to ensure that they don't get a relationship?

Do we perhaps make them wear a bracelet, like a, for example, a star with seven points? (the five points and the six points one are already taken, damn).

Because, well, they don't deserve a relationship. What that means, exactly. I suppose it's something 'they're crap, they're sh***y, they're just subhuman beings, not deserving to have a relationship with a normal person, they're just scoundrel'. Isn't it? Or what it means exactly?

I think you are misinformed. The problem with women in Afghanistan is that they are not allowed to freely chose their relationship partners, and Laddywoofwoof, as you mention yourself "forced into arranged marriage at the age of 15 or 16",. None of both has nothing to do with you choosing freely your relationship partner, what I was talking about, and so because of the one doing the decision for it as well being in your own responsible for it.

If you try to be manipulate against others in negative ways, please try at least to do it more professional then a typical three year old, throwing himself crying on the floor and blaming mum, for him "being forced" by her to feel so bad, because of him not being allowed to have chewing gum. This may work on little teenage girls. I only question myself again if you think it is a sign of being a"nice" person, to try to manipulate little teenage girl and get a benefit from their missing experiences, about human behaviors and bad manipulation.

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That's OK. I accept what you say. If you say that the problem is that they are not allowed to freely choose their relationship, it's fine. I thought that they way they treated women, once inside the marriage, was a problem too. But you say that 'the problem' is arranged marriage. So I suppose that the rest is not. So, Ok, I'm not gonna debate about that. I accept what you say.

I have answered to every paragraph you wrote, if I didnt answer to a specific topic, then because it was not mentioned by you. I only dont feel responsible for not being able to mindread.

Why should anyone want to propose exactly to ensure that nobody on earth gets into an relationship, because of nobody on earth deserving an relationship? And where would I have written, that because of nobody deserving an relationship, that it must be proposed to prevent everyone on having an relationship? You wrote that, so I dont know the answers to your own questions. Why do you try to manipulate me, to think I would have said such a thing? ^^ Do you think this is nice behavior, trying to make me feel responsible for something you write?

But to answer YOUR question, if only because of noone deserving an relationship, if we should care that noone on earth has one. Noone on earth deserves rain, but I dont think that should mean, that we must work that nobody on earts receives some.

Why do you want such a weird thing, and why do you want to answer your question without explaining the meaning of that question? If I ask you without explanation if we should paint elepephants pink, I think you would as well want an explanation for that weird question, before answering it.

Nope, I dont think that every person on earth is crappy, sh***y, scoundrel and a subhuman being. Why do you think, that everyone on earth would be crappy, sh***y, scoundrel and a subhuman being, only because of noone on earth deserving an relationship? O_o And if everyone on earth is an subhuman being, because of nobody on earth deserving an relationship, how can they be subhuman, if there are no other human orhterwise?

Are you now done, with absolutely not behaving nice by trying to manipulate me, to think I would have said the things, that have not been mentioned in this thread, until you wrote it in your post? f you are wondering, why such a "nice" person as you with that "nice" manipulative behavior, cant find a girl, I think its because people mean nice in the way it is written without the "".

You miss the point.
This guy equates spending time dancing with someone and expects sex. Other guys equate being nice to someone and expect sex.
There is no difference in the behaviour except the means by which they choose to get it.



Entitlement stinks regardless of who does it.

Welcome to why I don't like bad boys wither.

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Nope. I'm not trying to manipulate you. I'm just applying what you have said: they don't deserve a relationship.

Let's be more specific: what means 'deserve'. And I'm talking about words here:

What means 'to deserve'? According to the Oxford dictionary: 'do something or have or show qualities worthy of'

So, what means 'to deserve a relationship'? To show quality worthy of a relationship, that means: you're good person, you're valuable person. Now, what means 'not to deserve a relationship'? That you're not a good, neither a valuable person.

I'm not manipulating you. I'm just using the dictionary. And that is what you said means. When you say about them: they don't deserve a relationship, what that means, exaclty, is that they're not worthy or valuable people.

This is what the Oxford dictionary says.

So, if you're a nice guy, you're not a worthy person. And here I'm just taking what you said, and looking down at the dictionary, and translating your words. I'm not manipulating, this is exactly what you said.

Nope. The problem is you trying again to manipulate others to feel bad and put pressure about them, by blaming me for stuff I havent told. As you say you suppose. For what you suppose you are responsible. I could as well suppose lots of nonsense, do you think you are responsible for answering nonsense that I suppose? ^^

When you talk about being forced to be in bad relationships, and I answer you that you are freely to decide your relationship partner, and so, because of it being your decision are as well responsible for it (because of you yourself doing that decision for your own.), so no need to blame others for the desicions you are responsible for, then afghan woman or mormon girls being forced to marry, simply have nothing to do with that.

You deciding freely. You responsible for free decisioned. You responsible if decision is wrong. Blaming the one not responsible for own wrong free decision = dumb.

You not deciding freely. You not responsible, because of not free decision. You not responsible if decision is wrong. Blaming the one responsible for other wrong forced decision = right.

Made opinion about forced Afghanistan marriage (= good or bad) None, because of not being part of topic.

Blaming others for you supposing freely on your own, to invent them mentioning an oppinion about Afghani marriage, when that didnt happen. Lets be polite and say: Not nice.

I hope it was now easy enough to understand, if you want I can test it on my young nephew tomorrow. He is as well a master of manipulation and telling others to be responsible for him "forced" to feel sad about absolutely everything, but at least he is so cute with his 3 1/2 years. So in opposite to grown up persons, its still ok and its a normal behavior that age to try how others can be manipulated by that behavior, and how far he can go to acchieve certain behavior from others, until he goes to far and people get negative emotions about it, and so no longer try to please him.

Last time I was "responsible" for him "being forced to feel horrible" because the swimming pool not being warm enough for prince charming, because of being forced to sleep, and because of not being allowed to watch television instead of swimming and not getting more then one small bag of sweeties. I hope Amnesty International, never gets to know. ^^

So. you're telling me that there's no difference in the behaviour between a nice guy and another guy whose behaviour you have described previously as 'not nice'.

Yeap, you're right. I'm missing the point. Indeed, I'm missing the whole post, because I just don't f*****g see how a 'nice behaviour' and a 'not nice behaviour' can be the same behaviour.

God, you are digging on your own dignity, because noone really thinking, that you wouldnt know the difference, so everyone knowing that you are simply trying to argue around and around, until people give up to talk to you because of that habbit, and then you run around telling yourself, that your oppinion would you be correct, only because of everyone given ub debating with you. Following by blaming others and the world, that people seem to avoid you.

Extreme example:

You are a James Bond. You get informed that a terrorist tries to do an attack with an RPG on an public school bus, so you run there and shoot the terrorist with the RPG, before he can fire on the bus.

You are a terrorist. You try to do an attack on apublic school bus, by shooting at the driver, and hoping that many kids die in the accident. You aim and the moment you shoot a guy with an RPG, aiming at the school bus, gets in the shooting line between you and the school bus drivers and you hit instead of the school bus driver the guy with the RPG.

Behavior: Same.

Intention: First one - Hero. Second one - Badass.