Will any female here actually admit to liking jerks?
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I feel like i am getting harrased or teased again by women on WP. This hurts - you know. I dont know why women and some men on here are being so mean
Sorry, that must have been awful, we (well, I can't speak for the others, but I) didn't mean it like that. I was just saying that, while it's fine to not have sex if you don't feel like it, men still have needs. I wasn't taking the piss or anything.
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I feel like i am getting harrased or teased again by women on WP. This hurts - you know. I dont know why women and some men on here are being so mean
I don't think anyone was trying to accuse you of that BellaDonna, I think there's been a misunderstanding. Sure everyone has sexual needs- men and women- but it's more important that no individual feels forced into having sex when they aren't emotionally ready. You have every right to say no when you don't want to.
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Bella, chill out.
1) I think you're over-reacting.
2) No one is trying to insult you.
3) You proposed a hypothetical situation withouth telling anyone else that it wasn't actually hypothetical.
4) This is the internet. Nothing anyone says should really be taken to heart.
5) This is the internet. Nothing anyone says should really be taken to heart.
6) See 5).
7) This is the internet.
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Just because it is the internet doesn't mean people can or should treat people however they want.
I don't like to hurt no one. When I calm down. I feel bad to make comments that is a put down to a other person. I get very defensive. I don't realise i was over-reacting. I apologise.
People do act like.. on the internet. I have learnt you don't let no one put it over you. As soon as one b***h does and you don't do nothing about it. Your the weakest link. In the real world I have found women to be extremely jealous and bitchy. They act nice to every ones face even to a friend 'they pretend' cause as soon as they turn their back - they run a knife down. It has happened to me. I learnt to never tolerate this. I couldnt if I tried with my temper. My mom seriously abused me and leaving home young I know you don't stand up for yourself. You won't just get tripped up. You will get completely trashed.
I have had to learn to survive. This is how I have been respected.
Personally, I don't see why I should have to put up with women like this. I am not like that. My girlfriends who know me and I trust -
know I wouldn't hurt any one. I can be myself when I feel safe and not under alot of stress. People have expressed they like to be around me because you will always see me smile. Im happy most of the time. I have a pleasant personality. This is my true nature.
I feel so angry when some one tries to take that away from me.
Women and men but mostly women have made bitchy and unnessecary comments on most threads. Do I just have to accept this? or do I have to learn. What don't I understand or doesnt no one understand.
I have never had no aspie friends in real life. I have only ever been around NT's exception of my daughter. Social cues - it can take me awhile to learn. When I do learn - I am accepted in most social circles because I know how to show respect. People like me. I'm known as being a good person. People can trust me which alot of other people they don't so that makes me popular.
Why am I not understanding social cues (if that is what it is called) with aspies It is embarrasing.
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We're just sick of the whining women.
which is no more attractive than the smart alec whinging of small boys.
Merle
Or old age pensioners
well, not being an old age pensioner, nor a whining woman, I would say I am out of the equation!
Merle
Na, i'd consider you a whiner. Maybe you should campaign for women's rights in countries where they are actually still treated unfairly.
where do you live?
Merle
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We're just sick of the whining women.
which is no more attractive than the smart alec whinging of small boys.
Merle
Or old age pensioners
well, not being an old age pensioner, nor a whining woman, I would say I am out of the equation!
Merle
Na, i'd consider you a whiner. Maybe you should campaign for women's rights in countries where they are actually still treated unfairly.
where do you live?
Merle
Why are you coming to get me with your women's rights tribe? In the UK. Women here seem to wear the trousers in most cases. Men work, women spend it.
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Bella, just try and make sure you actually know that the person is attacking your personally, before you jump down their throats. If you'd explained more in the first place, it would have helped. Yeah, if the guy is just demanding sex, when he knows it isn't comfortable for you and then makes fun of you about it to others, than thats not on. That would be something you and the guy need to sort out mutually.
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Hey feminist.
I happen to think that feminism has done immeasurable damage to society.
Think about it, feral youth and social atomisation, epidemic divorce rates and family breakdown. Women going out to work and now raising a decent family just costs twice as much dummies didnt realise that supply and demand effects labour to.
I also disagree with having the state replace the man. A lot of women seem to be comfortable getting pregnant (satisfying their need to have children) and then discard their men while simultaneously relying on the state to fill his role of protector and supplier of essentials. Not to mention the sickening garnishing of wages. I'd expect a lefty to understand the concept that a man cannot be seperated from his labour but the idea of men being forcibly cut off from their children and toiling at a distance to support them is 'justice' in feminist eyes. The greed, selfishness and sense of entitlement in feminists sickens me. I embrace my gender and its role even in a society that continually degrades the value of being a man.
I have also noticed that social institutions that are taken over by women become dysfunctional, the education system (which I work within) is a fine example of something becomming over feminised and subsequently failing to work.
It saddens me that women cant be valued for true feminine traits like building homes and families and looking after their men who ideally would offer their last breath for the good of their wives and children.
Manroar!
I happen to think that feminism has done immeasurable damage to society.
Think about it, feral youth and social atomisation, epidemic divorce rates and family breakdown. Women going out to work and now raising a decent family just costs twice as much dummies didnt realise that supply and demand effects labour to.
I also disagree with having the state replace the man. A lot of women seem to be comfortable getting pregnant (satisfying their need to have children) and then discard their men while simultaneously relying on the state to fill his role of protector and supplier of essentials. Not to mention the sickening garnishing of wages. I'd expect a lefty to understand the concept that a man cannot be seperated from his labour but the idea of men being forcibly cut off from their children and toiling at a distance to support them is 'justice' in feminist eyes. The greed, selfishness and sense of entitlement in feminists sickens me. I embrace my gender and its role even in a society that continually degrades the value of being a man.
I have also noticed that social institutions that are taken over by women become dysfunctional, the education system (which I work within) is a fine example of something becomming over feminised and subsequently failing to work.
It saddens me that women cant be valued for true feminine traits like building homes and families and looking after their men who ideally would offer their last breath for the good of their wives and children.
Manroar!
LOL! True. Very, very true. It does annoy me how women just have that desperation for children, then use them for money. Or just have them cause they have a craving to give birth lol. Its a bloody life! Not a toy. And yeah, men get the rough deal in most cases, even if the mother is a complete dropkick.
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I happen to think that feminism has done immeasurable damage to society.
Think about it, feral youth and social atomisation, epidemic divorce rates and family breakdown. Women going out to work and now raising a decent family just costs twice as much dummies didnt realise that supply and demand effects labour to.
I also disagree with having the state replace the man. A lot of women seem to be comfortable getting pregnant (satisfying their need to have children) and then discard their men while simultaneously relying on the state to fill his role of protector and supplier of essentials. Not to mention the sickening garnishing of wages. I'd expect a lefty to understand the concept that a man cannot be seperated from his labour but the idea of men being forcibly cut off from their children and toiling at a distance to support them is 'justice' in feminist eyes. The greed, selfishness and sense of entitlement in feminists sickens me. I embrace my gender and its role even in a society that continually degrades the value of being a man.
I have also noticed that social institutions that are taken over by women become dysfunctional, the education system (which I work within) is a fine example of something becomming over feminised and subsequently failing to work.
It saddens me that women cant be valued for true feminine traits like building homes and families and looking after their men who ideally would offer their last breath for the good of their wives and children.
Manroar!
Still want to argue that sexism against females has disappeared from the western world guys?
Jesus. What's sad is that we would be really close to actually achieving equal rights, but people insist on making these broad generalizations and gigantic stretches of cause and effect that become damaging when they dominate any minds of those in power. Then the group in danger of being scapegoated and prejudiced against in the small percentage of cases where misogyny or any other biased attitude does impede on their rights has to get litigation passed to protect them.
Then someone on the other team (probably using the same sort of logic to come to reverse generalizations and see themselves as a victim) manages to abuse the intention of these laws against an innocent member of the group in power.
Someone calls foul, and members of the group in power circle back to make even worse generalizations than before, and some even use that attitude to justify taking equal rights from the other group again.
It's a vicious cycle.
Jesus. What's sad is that we would be really close to actually achieving equal rights, but people insist on making these broad generalizations and gigantic stretches of cause and effect that become damaging when they dominate any minds of those in power. Then the group in danger of being scapegoated and prejudiced against in the small percentage of cases where misogyny or any other biased attitude does impede on their rights has to get litigation passed to protect them.
Then someone on the other team (probably using the same sort of logic to come to reverse generalizations and see themselves as a victim) manages to abuse the intention of these laws against an innocent member of the group in power.
Someone calls foul, and members of the group in power circle back to make even worse generalizations than before, and some even use that attitude to justify taking equal rights from the other group again.
It's a vicious cycle.
I wouldn't agree with most of what he just said... the only thing that still gets to me is the fact that the child is almost always left in the care of the woman alone (unless the woman is also a drug addict or a convicted felon, or something else of that nature), while the man has to provide child support and only gets "visitation" rights... not even to have any say in how the child will be raised...
I don't blame feminists for said issues, though... I blame the lawyers. When a divorce happens and the couple is on amicable enough terms to avoid using the family court system, there is usually a shared parenting plan worked out that allows each parent equal time with the child, while providing for the child during their "time" with the child. It's the most equitable and fair plan, and it works in most cases (unless one partner has other psychological issues that can impede in their ability to raise the child...) However, once a case hits family court, the lawyers for each party often aggravate the case in order to increase confrontation and draw out the "battle", in order that both lawyers can make more money... They are the true as*holes in this situation...
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^^ I completely agree with that. It's a serious problem resulting from a flawed legal system. An immature desire for revenge frequently occurs in both parties in drawn out divorce cases, and the female is usually in a position to take advantage in court. Especially when it comes to children.
I happen to think that feminism has done immeasurable damage to society.
Think about it, feral youth and social atomisation, epidemic divorce rates and family breakdown. Women going out to work and now raising a decent family just costs twice as much dummies didnt realise that supply and demand effects labour to.
I also disagree with having the state replace the man. A lot of women seem to be comfortable getting pregnant (satisfying their need to have children) and then discard their men while simultaneously relying on the state to fill his role of protector and supplier of essentials. Not to mention the sickening garnishing of wages. I'd expect a lefty to understand the concept that a man cannot be seperated from his labour but the idea of men being forcibly cut off from their children and toiling at a distance to support them is 'justice' in feminist eyes. The greed, selfishness and sense of entitlement in feminists sickens me. I embrace my gender and its role even in a society that continually degrades the value of being a man.
I have also noticed that social institutions that are taken over by women become dysfunctional, the education system (which I work within) is a fine example of something becomming over feminised and subsequently failing to work.
It saddens me that women cant be valued for true feminine traits like building homes and families and looking after their men who ideally would offer their last breath for the good of their wives and children.
Manroar!
Still want to argue that sexism against females has disappeared from the western world guys?
Jesus. What's sad is that we would be really close to actually achieving equal rights, but people insist on making these broad generalizations and gigantic stretches of cause and effect that become damaging when they dominate any minds of those in power. Then the group in danger of being scapegoated and prejudiced against in the small percentage of cases where misogyny or any other biased attitude does impede on their rights has to get litigation passed to protect them.
Then someone on the other team (probably using the same sort of logic to come to reverse generalizations and see themselves as a victim) manages to abuse the intention of these laws against an innocent member of the group in power.
Someone calls foul, and members of the group in power circle back to make even worse generalizations than before, and some even use that attitude to justify taking equal rights from the other group again.
It's a vicious cycle.
Say whatever you want, I identify your destructive and degenerate countercultures as the root of the great majority of our social problems. Tearing at our identities, our traditions and our culture with your relativism only to replace them with a vacuum of egocentrism and nihilism. You leave our society weak and unable to withstand any extreme pressure. Ultimately feminism will fail, not for having lost any ideological battle but for its detrimental effect on the fittness of our society in its struggle to survive.
Note that feminism is only one aspect of the all pervasive counterculture which defines itself only through what it is not.
Cartesian... I can agree with aspects of what you say, but disagree with the whole of it thoroughly. Your impression that male reliance is an appropriate alternative to state support is rather wishful thinking, in my opinion - it places the reliances of the whim on the individual instead of within the community, and I don't like the idea of one being bound to another in a state of abject dependence. Yes, the change from more familial education to foisting the costs onto schools and government has had an adverse affect, but your attempt to make that a gender issue is rather confusing - you make a correlation and do nothing to substantiate it. The dangers of extremes, whether in machismo or femininity, can be damaging when applied to those who these extremes are the wrong fit. What you describe is the ideal of nostalgia, not the representation of how your supposed ideal would actually function in the real world. There are less demands on the community and governmental systems, but now women are bound to dependent relationships and excluded from a world that is theirs as much or more than any male. The arrogance of men, who came from women, to attempt to regulate them behind closed doors, is a deplorable idea to me.
Your rant about counter-cultures made me laugh. One might imagine much the same was said of the those rebellious Yanks over the ocean, full of radical ideas and discarding the tradition of the known, taking risks and challenging the status quo. You seek a rigid society, yet it is the very security you seek that makes your foundation weak and unable to stand the test of time. Any agenda which promotes a group as superior or vaunted over others is eventually doomed to dissolution, whether feminism or misogyny, due to the inaccurate basis of such a claim.
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