I don't want to date poor people

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Grisha, you are what we who do demographics call an outlier. An exception to the rule. This is probably because of extrodinary talent and intelligence and you may be selling yourself short, you probably would have done well in most circumstances. Most people who are successful entrepreneurs often are outliers. Something may have motivated them, both in terms of life circumstances or luck, but there was often exceptional abilities there to begin with. Most people under similiar circumstances may have not held up or excelled.

Most people are not outliers, you are.

Honestly , I didn't make the effort to read all your posts word by word , but just 1 question: is education a preference to you because it leads to a better mental compatibility or because of its economical benefit? Meaning ,would you prefer if your current boyfriend was non-educated-but-very-successful entrepreneur who's making double his current income? Or you wouldn't change that in him because that would lead to a less mental compatibility?


PS: Your essay-answer should not be more than 50 words.

Now...go!

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Grendel brings another good point about the provider theory. It also applies to how men see a potential mate...

As a guy I would not choose to marry a girl that shows she has no ability to raise a child. This is not to say I expect her to stay at home and pop kids but rather that she can raise a child... be a good mother type of thing.

I know women who literally should not even hold a baby nor have one. They treat their kids like they were unwanted pets... they just feed them, clothe them and then ignore them for the rest of the day. You can also see hints to such behavior in women who have no kids by the way they treat children around them.

So, just like a woman considers financial capability an important factor in the decision making process, so do guys consider mothering ability.

Generally speaking the education prefrence is for mental compatability above all else. I have dated Ph.D.s who did not make large incomes and never would. Likewise I would see someone being successful entrepeneur as an indication they might be an outlier and there to be a chance of mental compatibility. But intellectual compatibility is ultimately what I am looking for. Education as a predictor for financial success would not be the reason I would date a person, financial compatibility does not really mean much for me anyway. Intellectual compatibility though has a pretty high value for me personally as a measure of whether or not the relationship is sustainable. I am not looking to be rich, I am looking for a compatible partner who will enrich.

I am not one of those girls who wants to change a guy, I don't see it as possible. I want to be accepting of him, but I also want there to be some sort of combatibility from the start. Basically I am not using college as a predictor for financial success, I am using it as a way to get somebody who has a closer compatibility with me. Basically somebody who can enjoy a discussion about demographic data, international environmental policy, russian literature or the advantages to NoSQL databases. To be honest esoteric intelligence is a big turn on for me so that may be a driving factor for myself. It is like a very lovely intellectual positive feedback loop, once I encountered intellectual compatibility in a partner for me it is hard to settle for anything less. I am kind of surprised I am not with somebody on the spectrum.

Sorry over 50 words.

You underestimate Working Class people. Anyone with access to a library card or bookstore can study Russian Literature. I recommend that you read this book http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intellectual-Li ... 0300098081

Amazon.co.uk Review
In 1906 a famous survey of the reading habits of Labour MPs revealed that their preferences were the Bible, Walter Scott and John Ruskin, with hardly a hint of Karl Marx. Nearly a century later, Jonathan Rose's The Intellectual Life of the British Working Classes goes a long way to explaining why. His book is a mammoth survey of the autodidact, self-improving culture that emerged in Britain in the late 18th century and flourished for nearly 200 years through religious tract societies, mechanics institutes, trade union libraries and the Workers' Educational Association, until the end of the Second World War. Using workers' autobiographies, social surveys and opinion polls, Rose has produced a rich compilation of evidence, depicting an elite within the working class suffused with Macaulay, Milton and Shakespeare, and contemptuous of romance fiction, the tabloids and sensationalist melodrama. Contrary to conventional wisdom, Roe argues that this self-taught culture produced a working class wary of Marxism (because it was badly written), but also bored by imperialist adventure tales (because they gestured to a world of which workers knew nothing). It is not always easy to follow Rose in his journey through the working-class canon--he is determined to take us into every corner of his library--but it is worth sticking with him. The revelations from his research are fascinating, and his subtle tilts against fashionable post-modernist readings of reading are funny and well place.

I am positive that the situation in the USA will be the same.

Don't I wish it were true!

Remember, you are talking about the country where the working class believes that being able to afford to go to the doctor is tantamount to Bolshevik enslavement...

http://www.amazon.com/Whats-Matter-Kans ... 0805073396

Yeah Nixon's south strategy seems to have worked out pretty well for the GOP. An effective way to counter it would have been to keep the Democratic party more inline with the Economic Populism that it was famous for under FDR rather than sliding to the Right and becoming mainly about social issues. Also the collapse of the American Trade Union movement as a source for funds for the Dems has forced the party into the hands of corporate donors so now it's economic policy is little different from the GOP's.

Geez, you Americans have this insane obsession with "education" as if anyone without a Ba. is a slack jawed yokel or some sub-human Neanderthal with Cooties.

Well, how's it working out for you now with your four year degree in "African Art" or "Woman's Studies" or "Film-making" or "Graphic Art"?
Is your job at MacDonald's helping you pay back the $80,000 in student loans you racked up?
Now who's stupid?

Although I agree people who do stupid degrees can't complain if they can't get a job, it's more likely to be a class thing.
I would rather date a poor edcucated person with a major in "african art"
Than some guy who's made a fortune building houses or unclogging toilets.

Ain't that the truth , apparently Obama is Americas most "leftist" president they've ever had I don't think that's saying much in your country I've just finished reading the "audacity of hope" he seems like a moderate to me, am I on the money ?

Anyway back to the op , no it doesn't make you a bad person it just makes you just like most of the other woman on this planet is that what you want to be? just like every one else

Darn it all. There are those stupid words again. "Class" and "Educated". As if education is something that is done to you.

Well I ain't got no class. My father was a road worker. What is more I ain't educated nohow".

I do have an IQ in the 98th percentile.
I have read .... I don't know. I OWN about 10,000 books, most of them non-fiction and have read FAR more than that.
I have an entire room with built in shelves as a library in my large mud brick house in the forest.

I dropped out of school at 16 and became an apprentice electrician.
I worked up from there to senior technician with a "top secret" security rating working on government weapons systems.

After that I worked in sales for several electrical manufactures. Company car, expense account, secretary, etc.

I decided that sucked so I became a professional photographer for 20 years and have been published in many books and magazines.

But I guess I am just an "uneducated" high school dropout.

Bill Gates and whatshisname Dell dropped out of college.
Albert Einstein failed his college entrance test twice and never went.
Thomas Edison was thrown out of primary school for being "addled".
Henry Ford was not an engineer.

You're missing the point. Its about the type of person. Some people who do degrees or parts of degrees I wouldn't touch with a pole.

It's a generalisation about type of people, although not everyone. In general The sort of people who get degrees are different from working class men.

I'm not saying this applies to all.

I know a very intelligent well spoken man, if he decided to become a plumber it wouldn't matter, because he's still the type of person I like.

If a person who grew up with a fagging mother with no intelligence and with no class decided to get a degree, it wouldn't make any difference, still unattractive.

I think Robert Tressell's "Ragged Trousered Philanthropists" is full of wonderful extracts of why they remain disempowered. A book written a 100 years ago about edwardian hastings still rings true today and all the issues of the time written about in the book still remain as topics of sensationalism for our mass media today. I especially like his renaming of the daily mail to the Daily Chloroform.

I've noticed that too: Americans are totally obsessed with academic credentials - you are considered to be a drooling knuckle-dragger if you don't at least have a Bachelor's.

I've noticed this not to be the case in the UK - professional experience and accomplishment seems to be far more highly regarded, a lot of professional bios I've read don't even bother to mention degrees held.

I don't want to date poor people either.

I guess you will need someone to buy you south park DVDs for your birthday.