Why men are increasingly preferring Video Games over dating

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19 Sep 2011, 9:45 pm

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And the women that dehumanise men here ? have you seen all the aspie women here that want a materially sucessful man, if these women are so strong and independent they should earn their own way. You can't have it both ways. Find me an aspie women that doesn't want a materially successful man and I will find you a dodo

While I see your point, it should be obvious that the last sentence has two meanings; the first of which is your implication that "... an aspie women that doesn't want a materially successful man ..." is as non-existent as the extinct Dodo bird, while the second meaning (the one I believe in) is that such a woman is a "dodo" - a stupid person.

But think about it ... what woman, Entie or Aspie, would want to hook up with a material failure of a man - a homeless man, for example?

Any strong and independent woman would be foolish to take in a man who can not or will not demonstrate even the most minimum level of personal financial responsibility and initiative. Consider Enya, the Irish composer, pianist, and vocalist who is worth over 100 million U.S. Dollars, lives in her own castle, and who has no marital obligations to tie her down. She turned 50 this year. Do you think that she would settle for some poor slacker from off the street? Do you think she even needs a man to provide for her with affirmation of her very existence?



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19 Sep 2011, 9:51 pm

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Sunshower? Why don't you write the kind of article that you would like to read? Just a suggestion, mind you...
Er... I don't really get the point of this comment. Are you trying to imply that I should write an article reflecting my own personal opinion about current human dating patterns and mating patterns? I would have to do a lot of research before I could do that, as it's a big field and I would need all the correct facts before formalizing a final opinion.

Yes, that's what I'm suggesting.

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If you're implying that I shouldn't read articles that I disagree with, then isn't that kind of stupid? Especially stupid as most of the time one doesn't know whether an article is discriminatory until AFTER reading said article.

Please do not infer an insult where none were expressed or implied.


My apologies. I was merely providing an answer for two possible meanings of your question: a. you were being literal, b. you were suggesting I take my opinion and go shove it. See a. I'm not going to do weeks of research simply to respond to a faux scientific discriminatory opinion piece someone posted on the internets.

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In my opinion, this article is dangerous. Under the guise of making statements that seem perfectly reasonable, it is influencing the reader with discriminatory underlying tones and female dehumanization.

The only cure for such ignorance (in the article) is education. That's why I made my suggestion.


It is not I who needs the education, it is the poster. But it is not my responsibility to spend hours and hours of my time in order to educate him about chauvinism and discrimination.

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I'm not denying there are underlying problems with the current dating culture. My objection to the article is not about that.

Then please stand up and make your case known. Just make it known in a logical and forthright manner that can not be easily refuted, that's all.


I've already made it known. Clear and simple. There's no complex argument or scientific debate going on here. The writer of the article uses discriminatory language and objectifies women. A very simple example of this is that he completely discounted women as anything other than potential dating partners. He speaks of male friends, yet females as friends seems an alien concept to him. This is an example of dehumanization - viewing women as entities with only one specific purpose or function. Restricting them into a single utility. This is the best I can put this into simple language.


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19 Sep 2011, 10:07 pm

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I don't know about anyone else but I thought the thread was casual piss taking bit of humour. :?

no, the author came onto the thread and made it clear he was serious.


Well actually I was referring more to the replies but eh.

I mean seriously, who cares if men prefer video games? I hardly see why it's sexist. There's no issue of objectification of women, but rather a preference to interact with objects than people for easier satisfaction. Most of the jokes of comparing women to video games are exactly that, jokes. Besides here's another question since the whole female objectification came up, what about gay and lesbian people? What if a gay man prefers to plays video games than finding a date? Hardly an issue of objectifying women there now is there? :wink:


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19 Sep 2011, 10:12 pm

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I don't know about anyone else but I thought the thread was casual piss taking bit of humour. :?

no, the author came onto the thread and made it clear he was serious.


Well actually I was referring more to the replies but eh.

I mean seriously, who cares if men prefer video games? I hardly see why it's sexist. There's no issue of objectification of women, but rather a preference to interact with objects than people for easier satisfaction. Most of the jokes of comparing women to video games are exactly that, jokes. Besides here's another question since the whole female objectification came up, what about gay and lesbian people? What if a gay man prefers to plays video games than finding a date? Hardly an issue of objectifying women there now is there? :wink:

i think you are reading selectively.


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19 Sep 2011, 10:33 pm

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i think you are reading selectively.


And other people are not? I see some here trying to turn this into a sexism issue.


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19 Sep 2011, 10:36 pm

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i think you are reading selectively.


And other people are not? I see some here trying to turn this into a sexism issue.

it is a sexism issue. nobody is turning it that way.


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19 Sep 2011, 10:47 pm

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i think you are reading selectively.


And other people are not? I see some here trying to turn this into a sexism issue.

it is a sexism issue. nobody is turning it that way.


What, the whole notion of men preferring video games over dating women or that article? Because to say it's the former would be ridiculous. That's like saying that just because I'm single, prefer video games and to live a selfish life, I'm somehow sexist for that and objectifying women as a side-effect of it.

Don't mind me, I'm taking the piss on how politically correct types can hold preconceived notions that are prejudices in disguise. No better than the bigotry they sought to eradicate. :P


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19 Sep 2011, 10:52 pm

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i think you are reading selectively.


And other people are not? I see some here trying to turn this into a sexism issue.

it is a sexism issue. nobody is turning it that way.


What, the whole notion of men preferring video games over dating women or that article? Because to say it's the former would be ridiculous. That's like saying that just because I'm single, prefer video games and to live a selfish life, I'm somehow sexist for that and objectifying women as a side-effect of it.

Don't mind me, I'm taking the piss on how politically correct types can hold preconceived notions that are prejudices in disguise. No better than the bigotry they sought to eradicate. :P

you're missing the point - i don't care if men choose video games. maybe reread the thread?


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19 Sep 2011, 11:07 pm

*crickets* Tough crowd.

But I do understand how this perpetuates into a sexism issue when women are utterly blamed for the trend. I'd say it's the lack of men's initiative that contributes more to that problem, and pawning off to the difficulties of women is a sexist cop-out. Video games are a rather easy medium to access, whereas relationships demand commitments and trust over a long period of time.

But come to think of it, anyone ever read one of those EULA's for some video games? You may as well go dating as should something go wrong, running the gauntlet through customer support will be likely harder than find a girlfriend lol. If your a pirate... well what can I say other than watch out for E-STDs, even from video games, you will still need committed trust with seeders and protection. 8)


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19 Sep 2011, 11:22 pm

This post is a sarcastic response not to be taken serious:


Our relationship with an inanimate object, such as a video game, would last a few moments longer than a relationship between an Aspie (me, for example) and another person (an unfortunate NT).



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19 Sep 2011, 11:24 pm

Nexus wrote:
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i think you are reading selectively.


And other people are not? I see some here trying to turn this into a sexism issue.

it is a sexism issue. nobody is turning it that way.


What, the whole notion of men preferring video games over dating women or that article? Because to say it's the former would be ridiculous. That's like saying that just because I'm single, prefer video games and to live a selfish life, I'm somehow sexist for that and objectifying women as a side-effect of it.

Don't mind me, I'm taking the piss on how politically correct types can hold preconceived notions that are prejudices in disguise. No better than the bigotry they sought to eradicate. :P


I'm calling it sexist because it makes vast negative generalizations about women. Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with men choosing video games over women if that's what they want. Every person should be free to choose what they want to do with their life. My problem with this article is in the language it uses and the objectification and dehumanization of women. As hyperlexian said, perhaps you should reread the article. I'll copy paste a few pointers.

"the women have a price that doesn’t match their value" = objectification

"when men would rather “date” a plastic doll than the average woman, that same average woman blames and bashes the man instead of looking inward." = complete generalization and discrimination

"We can get the exact same social needs met by a close male friend. He won’t hold us up to anywhere nearly as high standards as the average woman. He won’t make us jump through hoops to win him over and prove ourselves worthy of his friendship. He’s just there for us. He’s accepting, compassionate and understanding." = implying only men provide accepting, compassionate, and understanding friendship.

"My buddies show unconditional love for our mutual past-time, and they don’t criticize, scorn, or require that I do all the work." = again rampant generalization and discriminatory language.

"Basically, women have been evolving in the past decades, and their demands for men have been growing. A woman today will not “put up” with what a woman in the 1950′s put up with." This stands alone and doesn't require any further elaboration. Especially the bolded part.

The article is clever. Mostly it doesn't use out and out outrageous statements or language. But the discriminatory tone and objectification is weaved throughout. Thus why it is more dangerous than a more blatantly obvious discriminatory article that most reasonable people would simply reject out of hand. It has more influential power. I think many posters on here suffer enough from warped views about women without being exposed to reading material like this.

Also - I am not bigoted about men or women. My philosophy is that everyone is equal and people are people. Dehumanization of any type of person (any gender, race, sexual orientation, etc) angers me.


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19 Sep 2011, 11:25 pm

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This post is a sarcastic response not to be taken serious:


Our relationship with an inanimate object, such as a video game, would last a few moments longer than a relationship between an Aspie (me, for example) and another person (an unfortunate NT).


You know, maybe I should do that too from now on. My sarcastic undertones usually fall flat. :lol:


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19 Sep 2011, 11:29 pm

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*crickets* Tough crowd.

But I do understand how this perpetuates into a sexism issue when women are utterly blamed for the trend. I'd say it's the lack of men's initiative that contributes more to that problem, and pawning off to the difficulties of women is a sexist cop-out. Video games are a rather easy medium to access, whereas relationships demand commitments and trust over a long period of time.

But come to think of it, anyone ever read one of those EULA's for some video games? You may as well go dating as should something go wrong, running the gauntlet through customer support will be likely harder than find a girlfriend lol. If your a pirate... well what can I say other than watch out for E-STDs, even from video games, you will still need committed trust with seeders and protection. 8)


I think that the current culture of dating does have genuine problems. I don't think men or women individually are to blame for the trend. My personal opinion is that cultural norms are not changing fast enough to keep up with a rapidly advancing society. There are many discrepancies about male and female expectations, and a lot of people are confused, and many fall through the gaps. We have a real issue here, but few people are actually able to see it clearly due to their tendency to fall into blaming the opposite gender for the confusion and the problems.


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20 Sep 2011, 12:05 am

sunshower wrote:
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*crickets* Tough crowd.

But I do understand how this perpetuates into a sexism issue when women are utterly blamed for the trend. I'd say it's the lack of men's initiative that contributes more to that problem, and pawning off to the difficulties of women is a sexist cop-out. Video games are a rather easy medium to access, whereas relationships demand commitments and trust over a long period of time.

But come to think of it, anyone ever read one of those EULA's for some video games? You may as well go dating as should something go wrong, running the gauntlet through customer support will be likely harder than find a girlfriend lol. If your a pirate... well what can I say other than watch out for E-STDs, even from video games, you will still need committed trust with seeders and protection. 8)


I think that the current culture of dating does have genuine problems. I don't think men or women individually are to blame for the trend. My personal opinion is that cultural norms are not changing fast enough to keep up with a rapidly advancing society. There are many discrepancies about male and female expectations, and a lot of people are confused, and many fall through the gaps. We have a real issue here, but few people are actually able to see it clearly due to their tendency to fall into blaming the opposite gender for the confusion and the problems.


Well the bigger challenge is to grey-scale the mindset of black and white thinking of expectations. Problem is, people get entrenched with rigid beliefs through life experience and media, and find them difficult to let go.


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20 Sep 2011, 2:55 am

I didn't read the entire article, as I found it was too opinionated, and misleading.
Considering the 70% deal giving the image that 70% of men are like that, yet 70% of Americans play games, 60% of that are male.
So it's more like 29% of the male population in the US etc.


As for some women wanting a materially successful man, so f*****g what? Everyone have their needs and desires, whether it be, rich guy, hot chick, smart guy, funny girl etc. Mine being a date with prehistoric creature waiting to be uncovered with possibly a toothbrush. Some people are going to get their pants in a twist over that, because a girl has to marry and get children.
What i personally find sh***y is people demanding that other people must change their desires/needs/wants/dreams because you just don't like it. I'm not sexy, but i'm not going to tell the guy drooling over Laura Croft's sweet booty to like my ugly ass.


Is it dehumanizing? I suppose in some instances it is.
A test in the uk showed that around 60% of women wanted to get a man who earned more then them, so they could be "stay at home mom". Before you jump the gun and say "see!" read the last part again until you get it.
In the same way, men in general desire women who have nice shapes, big hips and nice breasts showing good health and better childbearing properties. In some cultures men want fat women, which show they've got lots of food.
In many ways I'd say it comes down to survival.



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20 Sep 2011, 6:17 pm

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This post is a sarcastic response not to be taken serious:


Our relationship with an inanimate object, such as a video game, would last a few moments longer than a relationship between an Aspie (me, for example) and another person (an unfortunate NT).


Speak for yourself I love my inanimate objects, I keep going back to them again and again, as they say you never forget your 1st :wink: even after Lara did a Bono. :roll: : I really don't understand why Tomb Raider cops so much flack :?

I think it's the best!


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