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20 Dec 2011, 9:06 pm

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Misanthropy is only a natural reaction to the crappy world us humans have created, though. I'd say it's just best not to attack certain individuals. Just my two cents there.

Well that's what I thought, but according to the boss lady that's wrong. No bad talk about humans. Reserve your negativity for...... yeh.



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20 Dec 2011, 9:08 pm

if a person directs the negativity at themselves, it can't hurt other people (in most cases), so it is possible to be negative and not hurt others. also, negativity can be directed at specific actions instead of people. as soon as a person makes a blanket statement about any group of people it is definitely offensive. negativity itself is not offensive per se.


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20 Dec 2011, 9:15 pm

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if a person directs the negativity at themselves, it can't hurt other people (in most cases), so it is possible to be negative and not hurt others. also, negativity can be directed at specific actions instead of people. as soon as a person makes a blanket statement about any group of people it is definitely offensive. negativity itself is not offensive per se.

Whatever. Just seems like you are trying to create loopholes to save from having to admit you were wrong. I get the message though, conform or be martyred.



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20 Dec 2011, 9:21 pm

Does the quote in my signature come across as offensive then? :P



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20 Dec 2011, 9:50 pm

DetestableInsect wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
if a person directs the negativity at themselves, it can't hurt other people (in most cases), so it is possible to be negative and not hurt others. also, negativity can be directed at specific actions instead of people. as soon as a person makes a blanket statement about any group of people it is definitely offensive. negativity itself is not offensive per se.

Whatever. Just seems like you are trying to create loopholes to save from having to admit you were wrong. I get the message though, conform or be martyred.

nope, not at all. there are no loopholes present. i still stand by exactly what i said the first time. your original argument was not supported by the evidence of people's actual responses on the forum.

(no Asp-Z, it's all about context. is Freud judging me or the people of this forum? not really. if you came into random threads and started spewing hateful nonsense against humanity, then yes it would be offensive. but i think you know the difference)


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20 Dec 2011, 9:54 pm

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if you came into random threads and started spewing hateful nonsense against humanity, then yes it would be offensive. but i think you know the difference)

Well I don't know the difference. For some reason I cannot understand ambiguous rules, instead I need literal & rigid instructions.

I wonder why that is? :roll:



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20 Dec 2011, 10:00 pm

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if you came into random threads and started spewing hateful nonsense against humanity, then yes it would be offensive. but i think you know the difference)

Well I don't know the difference. For seem reason I cannot understand ambiguous rules, instead I need literal & rigid instructions.

I wonder why that is? :roll:

i don't get what you are saying. can you phrase it as a question?


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20 Dec 2011, 10:04 pm

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i don't get what you are saying. can you phrase it as a question?

Peoples' thoughts and opinions come from their own philosophies/ideologies. We all have slightly different world views, hence the "pleasure" of discourse.

However, if you write something that others strongly disagree with, they may want to know the reasoning behind your thought process. In response you will attempt to explain your base ideology.

How can I write my truthful opinion when I am not allowed to be openly misanthropic and negative?



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20 Dec 2011, 10:08 pm

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i don't get what you are saying. can you phrase it as a question?

Peoples' thoughts and opinions come from their own philosophies/ideologies. We all have slightly different world views, hence the "pleasure" of discourse.

However, if you write something that others strongly disagree with, they may want to know the reasoning behind your thought process. In response you will attempt to explain your base ideology.

How can I write my truthful opinion when I am not allowed to be openly misanthropic and negative?

members can't really post their opinions about *everything* here, truthful or not. they can't, for example, call women gold-diggers, or say that all men are as*holes, or that black men are thieves, or that all aspies suck donkey balls.

so, to answer your question, sometimes you can't express your truthful opinion here. the rules of the forum don't allow it.


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20 Dec 2011, 10:14 pm

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so, to answer your question, sometimes you can't express your truthful opinion here. the rules of the forum don't allow it.

If everything I want to express is negative, then I can express nothing. And so your statement:
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"you are wrong, DetestableInsect - negativity itself isn't offensive. but being judged negatively IS offensive."

is incorrect, or at the very least misleading. The times negativity is allowed are very low.

And I have read the rules, but they are open to interpretation. You are the one who gets to interpret them, so I have to write everything around whether you personally would find it offensive.
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"you were insulted back after you insulted mv, and i would expect that. i would definitely say that my opinion here is coloured by the fact that you treated another member (me) the same way as mv, but in another thread. so when i saw you doing it to her, i was seeing a pattern. mv, however, has a pattern of being supportive and thoughtful and helpful in threads. so yes, i will see your posts differently. "

I thought I was disagreeing with the content of their posts, not insulting their character. Afterwards they blatantly insulted me, but from your point of view they were in the right and I was wrong. And I couldn't even figure out what I had done wrong, since from my point of view I never insulted anyone.

And that was me on my best behavior. I don't know if I can be much more PC than that.

Edit: By the way, I hate arguing. And the longer an internet argument goes on the dumber I feel. It just seems wrong for moderators to say one thing, then do another. The only reason I posted in this thread was because I agree, for the most part, with aussiebloke's opinion, and I just wanted to signal to him he wasn't alone.

Anyway, like most internet discussions it will end without any compromise, without anybody changing their mind or being convinced in the slightest. We'll just have to agree to disagree, like always. What's the point of discourse?



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20 Dec 2011, 10:53 pm

Umm, umm....he knows. :tongue: (I have nothing to do with any disputes between any of you..) :wink:



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20 Dec 2011, 11:17 pm

DetestableInsect wrote:
If everything I want to express is negative, then I can express nothing.

you are still incorrect, sorry. you could say that you dislike all ladybugs, or that you hate yourself (which is what i had originally stated would be inoffensive), as well as many other negative things. nothing misleading there.

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And I have read the rules, but they are open to interpretation. You are the one who gets to interpret them, so I have to write everything around whether you personally would find it offensive.

have you gotten any warnings? no? then i think you are not having a problem following the rules. i am also not the only moderator, so if you are ever uncertain if stating your opinion would break the rules... you can ask.

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I thought I was disagreeing with the content of their posts, not insulting their character. Afterwards they blatantly insulted me, but from your point of view they were in the right and I was wrong. And I couldn't even figure out what I had done wrong, since from my point of view I never insulted anyone.

yes, i defended her when you were unfair to her. i did not give you an official warning as moderator, but i do stand up for people who are treated unfairly. you really weren't just disagreeing with the content; you were insulting her. i showed you all the places you had been insulting. MR20 had one small comment, but you had a whole list of them. usually we give people a bunch of chances before it ever comes to official moderation action.

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And that was me on my best behavior. I don't know if I can be much more PC than that.

there are forums where you don't have to be PC. it's up to you if you would rather go to a board that allows less PC comments. we protect our membership here. if you behave badly, people will react to that (and if gets worse then the moderators will get involved in an official capacity).

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Edit: By the way, I hate arguing. And the longer an internet argument goes on the dumber I feel. It just seems wrong for moderators to say one thing, then do another. The only reason I posted in this thread was because I agree, for the most part, with aussiebloke's opinion, and I just wanted to signal to him he wasn't alone.

you argue a lot for someone who states that he dislikes it (to speak of saying one thing and doing another :lol: ). i haven't said one thing and done the opposite myself, so that part of your post is a bit silly. nice try, though.

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Anyway, like most internet discussions it will end without any compromise, without anybody changing their mind or being convinced in the slightest. We'll just have to agree to disagree, like always. What's the point of discourse?

it's up to you if you want to continue. it takes two to tango, after all.


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20 Dec 2011, 11:26 pm

Needless to say I disagree with everything you wrote, but I'll just make one point.

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there are forums where you don't have to be PC. it's up to you if you would rather go to a board that allows less PC comments. we protect our membership here. if you behave badly, people will react to that (and if gets worse then the moderators will get involved in an official capacity).


What is the reason I stay here? Well, you challenged me!

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and you've been here how long.... 2 weeks? are you going to stay on the board and keep on encouraging him on every thread he posts for as long as he is a member here? until you've put in some significant time on the board supporting him, your claim of acceptance is quite empty.



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20 Dec 2011, 11:28 pm

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Needless to say I disagree with everything you wrote, but I'll just make one point.

hyperlexian wrote:
there are forums where you don't have to be PC. it's up to you if you would rather go to a board that allows less PC comments. we protect our membership here. if you behave badly, people will react to that (and if gets worse then the moderators will get involved in an official capacity).


What is the reason I stay here? Well, you challenged me!

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and you've been here how long.... 2 weeks? are you going to stay on the board and keep on encouraging him on every thread he posts for as long as he is a member here? until you've put in some significant time on the board supporting him, your claim of acceptance is quite empty.

i didn't ask why you stay here.


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21 Dec 2011, 4:53 am

Ah, the good old "I feel bad, and so I want everyone else to feel worse!" I never would have expected such behaviour from someone with a nickname like that.

Back at the topic: I am not sure if I would want to date (or to be more precies: vice versa) them, but I sure would like to meet some of the regulars here. It has been a while since I found folks I am able to talk with so openly, and some of the nicest people I have done so ever are on here (without wanting to be a bootlicker, hyperlexian is actually one of them).



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21 Dec 2011, 5:17 am

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Misanthropy is only a natural reaction to the crappy world us humans have created, though. I'd say it's just best not to attack certain individuals. Just my two cents there.

Humanity is despicable but individuals can be kind of decent. ;)


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