Misogyny

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You said you were with hyper all the way - that you would make things uncomfortable for misogynists seeking support here. I disagree with that position myself but you weren't hypocritical about it, as hyperlexian was, saying that you accept all groups of people while secretly conspiring against some.

no, i really haven't given away what you think, but you can have your fun trying to say that.

you are getting a little strange with your direction in the rest of that. you're choosing to try to conclude what i mean based on what you think i've said, but you don't seem to be reading my words correctly. it's interesting to observe but not too fruitful in a discussion.


that really doesn't make a lot of sense. i don't personally decide what is protected under the rules. i assume you have read them already, so you must be aware of that. it wouldn't even necessarily be something that i would take any action on - there are several other moderators dedicated to making sure that the board is as hate-free as we can manage.

EDIT: if you are trying to say that misogynists can't have support here, you are wrong - they actually get a lot of advice and support. but WP is limited in what it can provide for them in terms of allowing them the freedom to express their hate. there are lots of people with misogynistic and racist ideas on the site, and they can have help here but cannot have full freedom to speak hatefully against other members or protected groups.

if you have something new on the topic of misogyny and the OP that you'd like to discuss, i'm all ears. this part is pretty much played out. i think there isn't much more i can say that will explain my point to you.

p.s. making someone uncomfortable is not akin to hate.

I think OP just wanted someone with similar experiences to recount their own story. No hate involved. You imagined that.

imagined what? it didn't happen.

Maybe you're misunderstanding me, because this is odd.

The kind of support the OP apparently wanted would have been perfectly within the rules of the site, totally hate-free, just regular 'describe your experiences' type support. You brought 'hate' into it, from nowhere. I then concluded that you have an -ism against misogynists, which was interesting because you're the only person I've seen here claim to have no -isms at all. I think that's psychologically revealing, probably a protest-too-much kind of thing.

[hyperlexian was confused in a deleted comment that this is in reply to]

Since we're discussing rules now, I'm going to jump in to note that hyperlexian can't call me a misogynist anyway according to the rules because it can be taken as a personal attack ... especially that I never asked to be called anything from her and that it's usually taken with negativity just like the word "rapist".

Double standards, indeed.

huh

She didn't call you a misogynist. She either believes it or believes she can use it as a weapon against you, but it would be a pretty blunt weapon if she just said it.

It doesn't have to be it a "protest-too-much kind of thing".
Can't it just be an emotional attachment to the idea that the whole of society could ever be 'ism' free?

I think if you held that as a philosophy you wouldn't claim purity for yourself until you were sure the job was done everywhere else.

I can imagine I might. I said emotional attachment, they are cloudy things.

Ok, fine, can't be arsed to look back through the posts to see if there was an explicit statement, but the call was at least implicit, but still regarded as a personal attack according to a standard interpretation of the forum's rules because the message is clear that she regards me to be a misogynist.

Also, a note of interest, you do have one point that I strongly agree with. It's that the word "misogynism" must be meaningful and exclusive and mustn't be defined as a term that could be applied to almost every man out there.

Implicit attacks are the cornerstone of politics, you can't outlaw them. Don't you want to learn NT skills?

I'm not trying to outlaw anything. I'm actually a member of another autistic forum that allows for all sorts of attacks (to a legal extent, of course) and even had a forum once where I allowed the same extent of free speech.

I'm just trying to test for consistency here.

I didn't know that's what I was agreeing with. I thought hyperlexian's point was that the presence of encouraged misogyny would tend to make some women feel uncomfortable on the boards, in the context of your having suggested getting a crowd of misogynists together on WP for mutual support. Perhaps I didn't read anything properly, though.