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12 May 2012, 11:13 pm

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But. There. Is. Something. Wrong. With. Them.



Just like there is something wrong with me and you or we wouldn't be on this website.

no, there is nothing wrong with obese people. some have health issues and some do not, but by default there isn't anything wrong with them.


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12 May 2012, 11:14 pm

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My dating criteria for women is about 27-28 BMI (BMI is dumb, but yes) and about 30% bodyfat. I think I'm being reasonable, as I'm about 17-20% BF, and women get an extra 10% as if they drop to 10% they stop menstruating.

If my partner became fat, if it was at the same rate as me, I wouldn't care. Basically, I'd expect of her equivalence to myself. As far as if we're married, you know, the vows are "in sickness and in health" and fatness is a sickness, so yeah. You know, I'd be stuck then. I certainly wouldn't be happy with it, and I'd try to encourage exercise and dieting and stuff, but if that's no go, then...no go, I gotta suck it up and live with it. I do plan on marrying, though, and not just living with my girlfriend and having kids like it seems most people do nowadays, due to the collapse of American society.

As far as a girlfriend, though... I'm pretty active of a person, and basically I'm so vested into my athletic hobbies that normal people basically think I'm nuts. So I think that'd be an obstacle to a lot of relationships for me. Everyone in my house thinks I'm weird for being at all nutritionally or exercise conscious. So I'm assuming most other people would think the same. So even if a girl who played WoW and ate Cheetos 18 hours a day was initially attracted to me, I don't think it'd work as it'd just be a hobby/interest clash. They'd have to be at the very least tolerant of my health consciousness, and I can't imagine too many girls who'd be tolerant toward my skating, gym going, and homecooking if they weren't already doing something similar.

Since my weight has fluctuated in life, being sorta "fat" for a lot of my adolescence into adulthood, I know what the reasons are behind people getting fat, and I know how hard losing weight is, so I'm empathetic to a point, but if people can't be bothered to try to live a healthy life, you know, I can't "make" them. The other thing, too, I've seen girls who are sorta "fat" but are still athletic as all hell, a girl like that I'd probably get along with more than a skinnyfat party girl who once she hits 35 will turn into a blob.

I think, though, if I was married, and about 40 years old or so, and wasn't skating anymore, and Godwilling my body still works correctly, I'd just eat like mad and go into heavyweight or superheavyweight class in powerlifting or Olympic lifting. That'd be sweet. I don't wanna look like that at 20, as that'd just suck, but if you're 40 or 50 or so, hey, the wife is stuck with you, you know? Women, would you be pissed if your man decided to look like this at age 40 for the sake of picking heavy things up and putting them down?
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so you want to have a thin wife and yet get fat in order to do powerlifting when you get older?


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12 May 2012, 11:15 pm

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But. There. Is. Something. Wrong. With. Them.



Just like there is something wrong with me and you or we wouldn't be on this website.

no, there is nothing wrong with obese people. some have health issues and some do not, but by default there isn't anything wrong with them.


I think the CDC would beg to differ. There is a reason its called an obesity 'Epidemic'.



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12 May 2012, 11:15 pm

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you would realise that ahead of time though.


Well, no. There's actually been plenty of times that I didn't realize until too late that a woman did not actually have the other qualities I was looking for.

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we are talking about someone that you must be compatible with already, so you would be leaving them because they are fat. that is really sad to me. it makes the whole relationship hang on something physical.


Being a bit more frank about it, are you saying that I should give up, for the rest of my life, the possibility of having a fulfilling sex life? Because that's what I'd be doing by choosing to stay with someone I was no longer physically attracted to.

And bear in mind here, even if we may disagree about what others were talking about, that I've already established that I'm not talking about weight gain from pregnancy, or getting older, or anything that is out of her control. Nor am I talking about expecting her to meet some ridiculous, media inspired standard. I am talking about a partner who allows herself, through negligence, to go through a dramatic change that she knows I find unappealing. One who, when concerns are expressed and help is offered, chooses to remain on the same course.

you don't have to stick to that ideal though. there is no reason not to become more openminded and appreciate fatter women.


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12 May 2012, 11:16 pm

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Can you please tell me how one would go about that. The idea that someone could choose to be attracted to something that previously they found unappealing is baffling to me. I can't wrap my head around the concept.


Well, think of it this way. What would you say to someone who went around making shopping decisions based completely on the packaging, and apparently being incapable of grasping that he should be buying the corn flakes, not the box they come in?

And what would you think of such a person if we lived in a future where the packaging changed over time? :lol:


The problem is, your body is not just a container for your brain. It is just as much a part of you as your brain is. Your body's condition affects how your brain works, and vice versa, it can be a vicious cycle, but to put it simply, if you're skinny and in shape, especially nowadays, it generally means you have a thing called discipline and control over yourself, which is a desirable (though sometimes boring) trait in all human beings.



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12 May 2012, 11:17 pm

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hyperlexian wrote:
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But. There. Is. Something. Wrong. With. Them.



Just like there is something wrong with me and you or we wouldn't be on this website.

no, there is nothing wrong with obese people. some have health issues and some do not, but by default there isn't anything wrong with them.


I think the CDC would beg to differ. There is a reason its called an obesity 'Epidemic'.

25 to 30% of people who are obese are as healthy as thin people, therefore there is no reason for them to lose weight. they do not have a disease and nothing is wrong with them.


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12 May 2012, 11:18 pm

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But. There. Is. Something. Wrong. With. Them.



Just like there is something wrong with me and you or we wouldn't be on this website.

no, there is nothing wrong with obese people. some have health issues and some do not, but by default there isn't anything wrong with them.


I think the CDC would beg to differ. There is a reason its called an obesity 'Epidemic'.


Autism is an 'Epidemic' :P
http://www.autismspeaks.org/science/sci ... rises-1-88


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12 May 2012, 11:19 pm

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Can you please tell me how one would go about that. The idea that someone could choose to be attracted to something that previously they found unappealing is baffling to me. I can't wrap my head around the concept.


Well, think of it this way. What would you say to someone who went around making shopping decisions based completely on the packaging, and apparently being incapable of grasping that he should be buying the corn flakes, not the box they come in?

And what would you think of such a person if we lived in a future where the packaging changed over time? :lol:


The problem is, your body is not just a container for your brain. It is just as much a part of you as your brain is. Your body's condition affects how your brain works, and vice versa, it can be a vicious cycle, but to put it simply, if you're skinny and in shape, especially nowadays, it generally means you have a thing called discipline and control over yourself, which is a desirable (though sometimes boring) trait in all human beings.

fat people can have a lot of discipline, they just don't have the same body as you. you are judging something that is not necessarily true.


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12 May 2012, 11:21 pm

ok, here is a further question. if a fat person is strong and healthy (with no health problems whatsoever), why don't you WANT to find them attractive? (anyone can answer)


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12 May 2012, 11:25 pm

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ok, here is a further question. if a fat person is strong and healthy (with no health problems whatsoever), why don't you WANT to find them attractive? (anyone can answer)

I blame the liberal media.

To be serious, the media takes in and makes the culture of our society. The media usually shows women that are attractive compared to not.
And if they are not then it is usually for a reason. I mean for example the show ugly betty.


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12 May 2012, 11:25 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
rabbittss wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
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But. There. Is. Something. Wrong. With. Them.



Just like there is something wrong with me and you or we wouldn't be on this website.

no, there is nothing wrong with obese people. some have health issues and some do not, but by default there isn't anything wrong with them.


I think the CDC would beg to differ. There is a reason its called an obesity 'Epidemic'.

25 to 30% of people who are obese are as healthy as thin people, therefore there is no reason for them to lose weight. they do not have a disease and nothing is wrong with them.



According to the CDC, 35% of American Adults is obese. along with 17% of children.

Total population is 313,370,000,
Roughly 80% of Americans are "Adults" and 20% are children.

313,370,000 x .80 = 250696000
250696000 x .35= 87743600
You can then further remove the 25-30% of those who are obese but not "Unhealthy". Granted, it's only an estimate, but what about the other 60 million who ARE unhealthy? When something like 1/5th of the total population is not only obese, but also unhealthy, you have a serious problem.

And thats just the adults.



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12 May 2012, 11:26 pm

I couldn't want or unwant to find someone attractive :P I either do or don't.
Have to say I have dated women heavier and larger than me before and that wasn't an issue.



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12 May 2012, 11:28 pm

rabbittss wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
rabbittss wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
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But. There. Is. Something. Wrong. With. Them.



Just like there is something wrong with me and you or we wouldn't be on this website.

no, there is nothing wrong with obese people. some have health issues and some do not, but by default there isn't anything wrong with them.


I think the CDC would beg to differ. There is a reason its called an obesity 'Epidemic'.

25 to 30% of people who are obese are as healthy as thin people, therefore there is no reason for them to lose weight. they do not have a disease and nothing is wrong with them.



According to the CDC, 35% of American Adults is obese. along with 17% of children.

Total population is 313,370,000,
Roughly 80% of Americans are "Adults" and 20% are children.

313,370,000 x .80 = 250696000
250696000 x .35= 87743600
You can then further remove the 25-30% of those who are obese but not "Unhealthy". Granted, it's only an estimate, but what about the other 60 million who ARE unhealthy? When something like 1/5th of the total population is not only obese, but also unhealthy, you have a serious problem.

And thats just the adults.

it doesn't matter. if 25 to 30% of people do not have any problems with blood sugar or their pancreas (or other symptoms), then they do not have a disease. just like if you have no symptoms of AS, you do not have the disorder.

it is only a disease if it negatively affects health.


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12 May 2012, 11:28 pm

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I couldn't want or unwant to find someone attractive :P I either do or don't.
Have to say I have dated women heavier and larger than me before and that wasn't an issue.

sure you could. do you want to, though?


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12 May 2012, 11:28 pm

Delphiki wrote:
rabbittss wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
rabbittss wrote:
But. There. Is. Something. Wrong. With. Them.



Just like there is something wrong with me and you or we wouldn't be on this website.

no, there is nothing wrong with obese people. some have health issues and some do not, but by default there isn't anything wrong with them.


I think the CDC would beg to differ. There is a reason its called an obesity 'Epidemic'.


Autism is an 'Epidemic' :P
http://www.autismspeaks.org/science/sci ... rises-1-88


Yup, sure is, which is why we need to find the source of it. It could be that we are simply diagnosing more and more people with it because we don't know what to do with them otherwise.. It could be environmental, it could be chemical, it could be any number of things. But the fact that the number of people who have it are increasing.. is a cause for alarm.



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12 May 2012, 11:30 pm

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My dating criteria for women is about 27-28 BMI (BMI is dumb, but yes) and about 30% bodyfat. I think I'm being reasonable, as I'm about 17-20% BF, and women get an extra 10% as if they drop to 10% they stop menstruating.

If my partner became fat, if it was at the same rate as me, I wouldn't care. Basically, I'd expect of her equivalence to myself. As far as if we're married, you know, the vows are "in sickness and in health" and fatness is a sickness, so yeah. You know, I'd be stuck then. I certainly wouldn't be happy with it, and I'd try to encourage exercise and dieting and stuff, but if that's no go, then...no go, I gotta suck it up and live with it. I do plan on marrying, though, and not just living with my girlfriend and having kids like it seems most people do nowadays, due to the collapse of American society.

As far as a girlfriend, though... I'm pretty active of a person, and basically I'm so vested into my athletic hobbies that normal people basically think I'm nuts. So I think that'd be an obstacle to a lot of relationships for me. Everyone in my house thinks I'm weird for being at all nutritionally or exercise conscious. So I'm assuming most other people would think the same. So even if a girl who played WoW and ate Cheetos 18 hours a day was initially attracted to me, I don't think it'd work as it'd just be a hobby/interest clash. They'd have to be at the very least tolerant of my health consciousness, and I can't imagine too many girls who'd be tolerant toward my skating, gym going, and homecooking if they weren't already doing something similar.

Since my weight has fluctuated in life, being sorta "fat" for a lot of my adolescence into adulthood, I know what the reasons are behind people getting fat, and I know how hard losing weight is, so I'm empathetic to a point, but if people can't be bothered to try to live a healthy life, you know, I can't "make" them. The other thing, too, I've seen girls who are sorta "fat" but are still athletic as all hell, a girl like that I'd probably get along with more than a skinnyfat party girl who once she hits 35 will turn into a blob.

I think, though, if I was married, and about 40 years old or so, and wasn't skating anymore, and Godwilling my body still works correctly, I'd just eat like mad and go into heavyweight or superheavyweight class in powerlifting or Olympic lifting. That'd be sweet. I don't wanna look like that at 20, as that'd just suck, but if you're 40 or 50 or so, hey, the wife is stuck with you, you know? Women, would you be pissed if your man decided to look like this at age 40 for the sake of picking heavy things up and putting them down?
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so you want to have a thin wife and yet get fat in order to do powerlifting when you get older?


Eh, I was sorta saying that hypothetically/joking. I can't say for sure what I'll be doing in that amount of time, if I'll even be around, or be married, who knows. But, to answer your question, that'd be kinda fun, yeah. I don't know, skating is a good reason to not do that, and I enjoy skating more than picking up heavy stuff, so yeah, probably won't happen.

And I didn't specify "skinny" I basically specified not obese. http://static.superskinnyme.com/blog/wp ... omen21.jpg 30% is quite a reasonable expectation.