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30 Jul 2015, 6:21 pm

My friend Sly.....I think women may come crawling to you if you stop thinking women are avoiding you.



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would you be fine with your boy talking to and going out with other women all the time? no part of you would would be worried he might be sleeping with one of them or emotional cheating?


Actually, I'm just fine my boyfriend having female friends and vice-versa. He's with me because he wants to be with me (and he no longer wants to be with me, he will dump me and vice versa). No one can "steal" a partner who doesn't want to leave.

Attempting to control your partner's life lest they meet somebody else?? Pathetic, exhausting and 100% futile. Also not my style.

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I think if one has no jealous they they aren't really attached to their partner and don't care if they cheat. my brothers wife cheats on him a lot with other guys she talks to online.but he just ignores it because to question any of it would be bieng jealous. I think this hatred of jealously just lets many people get away with cheating.


I'm very attached to my boyfriend and not at all jealous. Never have been. I choose to be with him, he chooses to be with me. Free will.

Jealousy isn't a sign of attachment -- more like anxiety, low self-esteem and control freak-ness.

However, I do think you should trust your instincts - if you're usually a chill, non-jealous person and your spidey-sense tingle... it's worth listening to. (And if my bf felt uncomfy with me spending time with ONE male friend -- not all, just a specific one -- and asked me not to, I'd be inclined to oblige)

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also why not judge people on actual signs of abuse instead of signs of love and attachment. I'm not an abuser.


Because its's pathetic to set a relationship worthiness standard at "isn't abusing me right now"



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30 Jul 2015, 6:29 pm

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My friend Sly.....I think women may come crawling to you if you stop thinking women are avoiding you.


isn't that like saying you'd be able to fly a plane if you just stopped thinking about how you have no training?

i see women say these things all the time. IM not making it up. you even told one to avoid men like me :(

group a says avoid 1
group b says avoid 2
group c says avoid 3

what if i am 1, 2 and 3 now all women say to avoid me so there's no chance. only married women seem to like the qualities I have.



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30 Jul 2015, 6:40 pm

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would you be fine with your boy talking to and going out with other women all the time? no part of you would would be worried he might be sleeping with one of them or emotional cheating?


Actually, I'm just fine my boyfriend having female friends and vice-versa. He's with me because he wants to be with me (and he no longer wants to be with me, he will dump me and vice versa). No one can "steal" a partner who doesn't want to leave.

Attempting to control your partner's life lest they meet somebody else?? Pathetic, exhausting and 100% futile. Also not my style.

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I think if one has no jealous they they aren't really attached to their partner and don't care if they cheat. my brothers wife cheats on him a lot with other guys she talks to online.but he just ignores it because to question any of it would be bieng jealous. I think this hatred of jealously just lets many people get away with cheating.


I'm very attached to my boyfriend and not at all jealous. Never have been. I choose to be with him, he chooses to be with me. Free will.

Jealousy isn't a sign of attachment -- more like anxiety, low self-esteem and control freak-ness.

However, I do think you should trust your instincts - if you're usually a chill, non-jealous person and your spidey-sense tingle... it's worth listening to. (And if my bf felt uncomfy with me spending time with ONE male friend -- not all, just a specific one -- and asked me not to, I'd be inclined to oblige)

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also why not judge people on actual signs of abuse instead of signs of love and attachment. I'm not an abuser.


Because its's pathetic to set a relationship worthiness standard at "isn't abusing me right now"


you can be worried they'll cheat and not control what they do but still be worried they will. that is jealously. controlling is acting on that feeling.

just like you can hate bugs but not go out and try to kill any bugs you see.

well they could get him super drunk and have sex while hes unable to make good decisions. or just start making out with him.

but that's him controlling who you can hang out with even its its saying just that, one guy. so this confuses me

so if you see a guy who owns knifes you should avoid him or if he wears combat boots. etc. you can't judge people like that. just because I'm a bit clingly and get attached to people doesn't mean I'm going to abuse. you have to give people chances instead of assuming and prejudging them. lots of mean looking people are super nice like those bikers that protect child victims of abuse. they look mean, but they are super nice and sweet. then of course nice looking people have turned out to be rapist and serial killers. the world isn't black and white. by pre judging and assuming you miss out on a lot of things and people.

but maybe its for the best who wants to be with people who would just be like oh he likes me and likes talking to me a lot he must be a abuser. probably best to avoid such people.

also you might end up with someone who has non of those traits and starts beating you after he lost his job. its like how some people want to do brain scans on all babies and think the can predict future evil on it. you can't predict these things. if you start avoiding anyone with certain traits that abusers also had you're going to start avoidng almost everyone

mean by that logic of pathetic to set a relationship worthiness standard at "isn't mean and cruel to me yet" then we;d avoid all human contact. every human on this planet is capable of being cruel and mean so we should avoid them all or we can risk it and meet some super nice people.

mean should men avoid popular girls or blonds, lots of abusers are popular and blond.

lots of racists are white, so should all white people be avoid because just because they aren't being racist right now doenst mean they won't be. and what about Muslims sure they aren't terrorist not but doesn't mean they won't be.



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30 Jul 2015, 6:44 pm

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cathylynn wrote:
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This is why the "no sex for 6 months rule". If a guy can't stick around and actually "date" a woman and really get to know her - he isn't worth her time. You will know then what his real intentions were. And some men may say that 6 months is too long, but it isn't if both people have a life and only see each other a couple times a week.


don't think thats your call to make and its really generalzing. i don't think anyone who isn't willing to wait 10 years for sex is worth a womans time. see its a arbitary number, so it could be replaced with anything. lots of people hace sex right at the start and have long fulfilling relationships.

any woman who wont' have sex after a month of being together isn't worth my time, shes just playing games or not sexually compatible. fyi anyone who is won't be able to wait 6 months either. most women on okcup list that they would have sex around 3-5 dates, very few say 6 months or longer unless they christians saying until marriage. then other say 1-2 dates.

honestly such a woman as you describe is judgemental and not worth a mans time.

his real attentions is not to get played with by a woman, he wants a long term romantic and yes sexual relationship perhaps leading to marriage. just because a guy doesn't want to wait freaking half a year to have sex doesn't mean hes only after sex.

only see each other a couple times a week you mean like 90% of people do?
does it take you years to bond and attach to someone, it usually just takes a few weeks for most people even shorter for people like me.


I probably said that wrong. Let me rephrase it - if a guy doesn't want to get to know me before there is any sex (and I don't mean 3-5 dates) then he isn't worth MY time.

I don't attach to people like you do and from what I've read (even my Aspie friend) it takes a lot of time for some Aspies to bond and trust someone. So I think you're wrong by saying "most people only take a few weeks or less to bond". You might be one of the few.


Let me tell you something else. I think why it takes you so little time to fall for someone is because you have made finding someone your one main goal in life and its gonna end up biting you in the a**. Why? Because you are going to become a "clinger" to that person and they will most definitely run in the other direction because they will feel suffocated. That's just my opinion of what I can see happening. No one wants to be someone else's total reason for happiness.


I should also add that clinging to a person so soon can raise a red flag for a woman because that is something a future abuser does to lure their victim.

One of the red flags when dating is when a man can't get enough of you, they are crazy over you and always want to talk to you and be with you and always thinking about you. Yeah red flag for abuse so run. Even if he isn't an abuser, he had raised a false red flag then so he would have to slow down while dating.


IDK about that, its more like they try and act charming and like a decent caring person to lure someone in...thing is abusers are good at this trickery, they actually don't do a lot out of the ordinary initially. At least I certainly have never heard of those being 'red flags' of a future abuser...and I've taken psychology and sociology courses in college so I'd figure I'd have heard of that if it was the case.

some actual red flags are over-jealousy, verbal abuse, not wanting the partner to see friends and family, being controlling.



Oh my ex was all that. He didn't call me names but he had negative thoughts about me and was very critical so I guess that was his verbal abuse. He would get upset with me when I wanted to talk to my parents because he was so worried about me making him come off as a control freak or as*hole and he wanted to know everything I said to them and listen in on our conversations and tell me what to say to them and he wanted me to quit talking to my friends online who were guys unless they were all aspies. He also acted controlling too making me feel I couldn't do this or that or it would upset him or make him feel sad because he really wanted me around and would miss me. He was definitely jealous.



would you be fine with your boy talking to and going out with other women all the time? no part of you would would be worried he might be sleeping with one of them or emotional cheating?

I think if one has no jealous they they aren't really attached to their partner and don't care if they cheat. my brothers wife cheats on him a lot with other guys she talks to online.but he just ignores it because to question any of it would be bieng jealous. I think this hatred of jealously just lets many people get away with cheating.

also why not judge people on actual signs of abuse instead of signs of love and attachment. I'm not an abuser.

normal jealousy is not a red flag. over-jealousy is. let me give an example. you get home from work five minutes late. your partner accuses you of an affair and refuses to speak to you.



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30 Jul 2015, 6:59 pm

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Almost all women does not get "Raped" etc.

To get sex and dates is better than being complete alone. This is logic.

If a guy have many flaws, forever alone, if a women have many flaws, no problem can still get bf and sex.

Unfair.

I would without any doubt choose to be a women rather then a man.


Here's where your logic fails: you assume that every woman on the planet wants sex to the exclusion of all else, the way it sounds the desperate ForeverAlone men all over the web do. You assume that no-one enjoys being alone, which is demonstrably untrue especially in a place like wp that is crawling with socially awkward introverts.

Looks to me like it kind of boils down to:

If you're a guy and you want sex you can't get sex, boohoo, no matter how much you want it, poor sad ForeverAlone men. Too bad.

If you're a girl and you don't want sex every freaking day of your life, too bad, every guy who looks at you is going to be thinking about what he wants to do to you and how he can make you have sex with him. danger everywhere, red flags, much worse than just too bad. More like, that's awful, I can't believe that happened to you, did you file a report and have urgent care do a rape kit (further violation with little chance of resolution) or was it your fault because you were walking wherever you were/letting your guard down getting in and out of the house or car/being alone/dressing like a human woman/having a drink in public/being female in public?

Seriously, try to look at this objectively. Is it worse to want sex and not be able to get it, or be constantly at risk of and in fear of someone stronger than you pushing sex on you, threatening violence if you don't, trashtalking you whether you do or don't have casual sex, and perhaps forcing sex on you whether you want it or not?

Is it better to be unable to get what you want (guess what, there are things women want that are difficult to acquire too, sex is not the only goal of every human on the planet you testostereone-addled males (this comment is directed only at men who think with their nuts and never think of anything but getting laid) and it sucks to be unable to acquire food, clothing, shelter, transportation, friendship, love, respect etc. etc. etc. too so look at something besides sex objects for a change), or to be always on guard against the use of force, violence and manipulation by a certain segment of society who will stop at nothing to get what they want?

I'd rather be frustrated than used or abused. And it's not like I never experience sexual frustration just because I'm a woman, okay? I'm married (it's my second marriage but my words apply to both) and I have been in [exclusive relationship] status since I lost my "V-card" at 17. I've always, throughout those 28 and a half years except a brief period of suffering painful coitus due to an infected episiotomy scar, wanted sex more often than my spouse. Neither of the two were anywhere near as hypersexually horny as myself. Even so, I'll take horny-to-the-point-of-distraction frustration over fear of rape, violence and abuse any freaking day. I experience each on a regular basis: fear walking home from the bus stop or getting in and out of the car at gas stations or wherever, frustration when NT hubby is worn out by a bad day and uninterested in good old-fashioned hanky-panky.

If you really want sex it's not that hard to acquire. Quit whining and go solicit a hooker. It's much harder to develop a meaningful relationship with someone who won't manipulate, use and disrespect you at every turn than it is to get laid, male or female.


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30 Jul 2015, 7:01 pm

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normal jealousy is not a red flag. over-jealousy is. let me give an example. you get home from work five minutes late. your partner accuses you of an affair and refuses to speak to you.


but that's not what was said. just jealously was said. i wouldn't even notice they were 5 minutes late or think anything of it at 15-30 minutes I'd be worried something happen and ask them if they ok though. then they could be like no or I bumped inot a such and such. we could then talk about how such and such was or how the store was or just carry on. but if something did happen i could comfort them or go get them.

i don't like when my family always ask where i going. I would treat my gf like I would want to be treated. though if i went out id let her know i'm going to such and such. just so she wouldn't go looking for me and wonder where I was. would be nice to have the same.

knew this coupleonce and she got home and her gf was gone. din'd look like she came home from work. and she was freaking out because no one had seen or heard from her in hours. turns out she just went for a walk, but it freaked everyone out. her gf was worried something happen to her.

i can't say how I'll be 100% in a relationship because somethings are unknown until you in in the situation.



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30 Jul 2015, 7:04 pm

I've never told anybody to avoid "guys like you," Sly.

You're creating things out of thin air.



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30 Jul 2015, 7:11 pm

LyraLuthTinu wrote:

Here's where your logic fails: you assume that every woman on the planet wants sex to the exclusion of all else, the way it sounds the desperate ForeverAlone men all over the web do. You assume that no-one enjoys being alone, which is demonstrably untrue especially in a place like wp that is crawling with socially awkward introverts.


Seriously, try to look at this objectively. Is it worse to want sex and not be able to get it, or be constantly at risk of and in fear of someone stronger than you pushing sex on you, threatening violence if you don't, trashtalking you whether you do or don't have casual sex, and perhaps forcing sex on you whether you want it or not?



Is it better to be unable to get what you want (guess what, there are things women want that are difficult to acquire too, sex is not the only goal of every human on the planet you testostereone-addled males (this comment is directed only at men who think with their nuts and never think of anything but getting laid) and it sucks to be unable to acquire food, clothing, shelter, transportation, friendship, love, respect etc. etc. etc. too so look at something besides sex objects for a change), or to be always on guard against the use of force, violence and manipulation by a certain segment of society who will stop at nothing to get what they want?

I'd rather be frustrated than used or abused. And it's not like I never experience sexual frustration just because I'm a woman, okay? I'm married (it's my second marriage but my words apply to both) and I have been in [exclusive relationship] status since I lost my "V-card" at 17. I've always, throughout those 28 and a half years except a brief period of suffering painful coitus due to an infected episiotomy scar, wanted sex more often than my spouse. Neither of the two were anywhere near as hypersexually horny as myself. Even so, I'll take horny-to-the-point-of-distraction frustration over fear of rape, violence and abuse any freaking day. I experience each on a regular basis: fear walking home from the bus stop or getting in and out of the car at gas stations or wherever, frustration when NT hubby is worn out by a bad day and uninterested in good old-fashioned hanky-panky.

If you really want sex it's not that hard to acquire. Quit whining and go solicit a hooker. It's much harder to develop a meaningful relationship with someone who won't manipulate, use and disrespect you at every turn than it is to get laid, male or female.


as a submisive aspie guy you can get both sides.

then why don't woemn just go hire a boyfriend or wait they want a money from a boyfriend that wouldn't' work out.

fyi the kind of sex we want can't be provided by a hooker. they don't' love you there's no emotional connection.

don't date people who manipulate you? plenty of people out there who don't. also you ignored the gets date part. its easier for women to get dates then men. he and me an others want dates too and a relationship. its easier for women go get into one there is a guy out there who will date any pretty woman regardless of her personality it might not work out but it might too he might be a good guy. but women are way more picky when it comes to dates, and relationships. makes it much harder for guys then add in we have to ask them out and get rejected. perhaps we should just go back to arranged relationships, much easier and just as possible bad for both genders.



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30 Jul 2015, 7:14 pm

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I've never told anybody to avoid "guys like you," Sly.

You're creating things out of thin air.


viewtopic.php?f=6&t=289777&p=6691610&hilit#p6691610

I tend to want physical intimacy early on. I crave to hold hands, hug and cuddle.

so you said people so go away far away from people like me.



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30 Jul 2015, 7:19 pm

Dear Sly,

My personal life experience has shown me what it means to be a worthless male. Worthless males hit women and molest little girls. Men who are truly nice and considerate are a treasure. Women who are too stupid to realize this are Spoiled Princesses, and not worth your time.

I'm hoping you find a special lady who knows just how wonderful you are.

P.S. online dating sucks.


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30 Jul 2015, 7:21 pm

You're an individual, Sly...not a "type" of guy.

Why would I advise anybody to avoid you? I don't think you'd harm a fly, personally.



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30 Jul 2015, 7:24 pm

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Dear Sly,

My personal life experience has shown me what it means to be a worthless male. Worthless males hit women and molest little girls. Men who are truly nice and considerate are a treasure. Women who are too stupid to realize this are Spoiled Princesses, and not worth your time.

I'm hoping you find a special lady who knows just how wonderful you are.

P.S. online dating sucks.


did someone else right this or you? if you i like the letter style just odd to see it on a forum.

i'm not so sure cause if those males also make good money women put up with the hitting and molesting. my blood related grandma did with the latter that and for family loyalty.

I hope so but the hope is dying every day. starting to wonder why hold out for .002% chance.

they view nice and considerate as weak. it often takes more strength to not attack people then it does to attack people i think.

thanks hugs.



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30 Jul 2015, 7:27 pm

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You're an individual, Sly...not a "type" of guy.

Why would I advise anybody to avoid you? I don't think you'd harm a fly, personally.


but telling someone to avoid a type of person is the same of telling them to avoid a person that falls under that type.

I have when needed to :'( i dont' enjoy it but they so hard to catch and release and case health problems. so put up those fly sticky papers and try to look at it or I'll feel sad for them. if they outside i live them alone and I try to catch spiders before killing them in defense. family thinks I crazy. but even though I don't like bugs they are still a life that should be respected, so i give the same chances i would people. I only kill as a last resort. I don't want to be bit by poisonous spider.



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30 Jul 2015, 7:31 pm

^ Nope. I wrote it. :D

It's a sad fact that being a good person in a world full of a$$holes is extremely difficult. It's also a sad fact that a$$holes usually win. Also, the world is full of stupid people, and that includes women.

I honestly believe you'll find someone one day. Unfortunately, you'll have to work 100 times harder. :?

Don't let stupid women dictate your self-worth.


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30 Jul 2015, 7:32 pm

I don't recall even advising anybody to avoid your "type" of person.

I think you might be confusing me with someone else.