No prospect of future GF = Get a prostitute instead?

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Didnt Jesus hang out with a hooker? She was his girlfriend no?

i don't judge the hookers, just as he did not. she was his friend.

well, I wouldn't say you are correct on this, as your point looks questionable.

I want to point out that Ancalagon missed to mention emotional and psychological distress, a part from the physical distress, which is likely how most people would define it.

Also, would like to point out the term sadism is even brought up into BDSM consensual activities (just so you know ).


The psychatric definition of sadism is different from an ideological one (and your justification is ideological rather than medical), given that sadism is an abnormality in Psychiatry, I believe related to paraphilias. The degradation, in Psychiatry, as I pointed above, seems to be related with causing mental and emotional distress and the person feeling humilliated (that if that definition is an actual psychatric definition though), rather than coming from plainly an idealistic morality or a given philosophy, which is how "prostitution is by nature degrading" is being justified.


Depends on your definition of "degrading", but I tend to ask "all forms of prostitution?" I mean, there is the need to specify and recognize different forms of prostitution and how each is "degrading" and why and which seems worse, etc. I mean, the research cover all forms of prostitution, or the focus is only when there are problems? Omitting other aspects of prostitution (if that's the case) looks questionable.


I doubt a person identified as a sadist, would actually agree with your broad definition though.

It depends on how you define degrading in the end, and even if that really matters, and how said definition favors a view or ideology on morality, as it seems to be the case here, as for the wording, people usually bastardise concepts and defintions to fit ideologies.

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Generally, I don't take 'google it' as an answer, but since you mentioned the wikipedia article specifically, I went there. I didn't see what you expected me to.

If this is your position and you want to argue it, you should be able to argue it yourself.


Which, as I clearly stated, is ridiculous.


You made the assertion that prostitution was somehow inherently degrading. If you can prove it, then go ahead.

Most anti-prostitute females seem to come from the girlfriend alliance... I WONDER why this is... competition, maybe?

There is no literary evidence, as far as I know, that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute, neither that Jesus had prostitute friends.

i really don't care, actually. i'm not a christian.

I believe the actual problem is, wether that is sadism.

Wether that is "degrading" doesn't really matter anyway, as that is subject to differing on moral opinions, I find this sadism equation with visiting prostitutes highly questionable.

If anything, it's hedonism. Only BDSM necessarily involves sadism.

For the client, the love of sexual pleasure. For the prostitute, the love of money. Love is involved from both parties, though they aren't directed directly to each other but that's really no big deal if both get what they want.

it fits the definition whether it agrees with your sensibilities or not. sadism has more than one definition.

Its probably the oldest form of trade, a slab of dead animal food for sex.

I read something recently where most women would rather marry for money than love but prefer both.

When I travelled in Thailand, I could have had a 24/7 girlfriend for the cost of food, drinks and travel expenses. Around $100US for a whole week. Bargain. I could get totally heroined up every day for half of that.

But for backpackers its very easy to meet fellow travellers from other countries.

I dont think the issue is casual prostitution, but obsessive and/or degrading sex, and treatment of both parties.

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go back and tally it up in the thread and you'll see that quite a few men agreed. silly you, trying to rile us up!


really? you think that is why women enter into prostitution... love of money?

and no, it's not hedonism on the part of the women. nice try though.

If you think that every person who visits prostitutes is a sadist, then you're using a definition of sadist that has little to do with the way everyone else uses the word.

Its not an psychiartic disorder! It was taken off the DSM back in 1994.
The same with homosexuality that used be to classed as a psychairtic disorder before 1952.
Anyway sadomasochism plays a role in psychoanalysis.
Freud's Three Essays on the Theory of Sexuality refair to that idea.

The one you provide it, but that definition is odd, this at least, is a little more elaborated than that http://www.forensicpsychiatry.ca/paraphilia/sadism.htm


This is wether definitions and arguments make sense, and wether they are honest, "sensibilities" is meaningless in the end, at least from my standpoint. In fact, the problem with "sensibilities" is from both ends, given that one side, finds prostitution offensive (degrading)


You claimed a psychiatric definition, Does Psychiatry has more than one different definition towards the same abnormal behaviour? Or is it that other definions are ideological instead? Because I don't really care about those.

Now using that same logic it can be argued that all forms of payed work are a form of prostitution. Do you sell your body of money?