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12 May 2012, 11:30 pm
rabbittss wrote:
Delphiki wrote:
rabbittss wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
rabbittss wrote:
But. There. Is. Something. Wrong. With. Them.
Just like there is something wrong with me and you or we wouldn't be on this website.
Just like there is something wrong with me and you or we wouldn't be on this website.
no, there is nothing wrong with obese people. some have health issues and some do not, but by default there isn't anything wrong with them.
I think the CDC would beg to differ. There is a reason its called an obesity 'Epidemic'.
Autism is an 'Epidemic'
http://www.autismspeaks.org/science/sci ... rises-1-88
Yup, sure is, which is why we need to find the source of it. It could be that we are simply diagnosing more and more people with it because we don't know what to do with them otherwise.. It could be environmental, it could be chemical, it could be any number of things. But the fact that the number of people who have it are increasing.. is a cause for alarm.
Oh jeez, because more people are aware of autism and it is being diagnosed more that does not equal more people have it.
12 May 2012, 11:30 pm
edgewaters wrote:
mds_02 wrote:
Can you please tell me how one would go about that. The idea that someone could choose to be attracted to something that previously they found unappealing is baffling to me. I can't wrap my head around the concept.
Well, think of it this way. What would you say to someone who went around making shopping decisions based completely on the packaging, and apparently being incapable of grasping that he should be buying the corn flakes, not the box they come in?
And what would you think of such a person if we lived in a future where the packaging changed over time?
Physical attractiveness does not determine a person's objective worth (as if such a thing could be determined). But it does affect, in a subjective way (which doesn't necessarily mean changeable), one's level of sexual satisfaction which, to me, is an essential aspect of a healthy romantic relationship. The packaging on the cereal doesn't matter only because sex isn't an integral part of the cornflake experience.
Unless I've been severely misinformed as to what constitutes a balanced breakfast.
12 May 2012, 11:31 pm
12 May 2012, 11:31 pm
1000Knives wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
1000Knives wrote:
My dating criteria for women is about 27-28 BMI (BMI is dumb, but yes) and about 30% bodyfat. I think I'm being reasonable, as I'm about 17-20% BF, and women get an extra 10% as if they drop to 10% they stop menstruating.
If my partner became fat, if it was at the same rate as me, I wouldn't care. Basically, I'd expect of her equivalence to myself. As far as if we're married, you know, the vows are "in sickness and in health" and fatness is a sickness, so yeah. You know, I'd be stuck then. I certainly wouldn't be happy with it, and I'd try to encourage exercise and dieting and stuff, but if that's no go, then...no go, I gotta suck it up and live with it. I do plan on marrying, though, and not just living with my girlfriend and having kids like it seems most people do nowadays, due to the collapse of American society.
As far as a girlfriend, though... I'm pretty active of a person, and basically I'm so vested into my athletic hobbies that normal people basically think I'm nuts. So I think that'd be an obstacle to a lot of relationships for me. Everyone in my house thinks I'm weird for being at all nutritionally or exercise conscious. So I'm assuming most other people would think the same. So even if a girl who played WoW and ate Cheetos 18 hours a day was initially attracted to me, I don't think it'd work as it'd just be a hobby/interest clash. They'd have to be at the very least tolerant of my health consciousness, and I can't imagine too many girls who'd be tolerant toward my skating, gym going, and homecooking if they weren't already doing something similar.
Since my weight has fluctuated in life, being sorta "fat" for a lot of my adolescence into adulthood, I know what the reasons are behind people getting fat, and I know how hard losing weight is, so I'm empathetic to a point, but if people can't be bothered to try to live a healthy life, you know, I can't "make" them. The other thing, too, I've seen girls who are sorta "fat" but are still athletic as all hell, a girl like that I'd probably get along with more than a skinnyfat party girl who once she hits 35 will turn into a blob.
I think, though, if I was married, and about 40 years old or so, and wasn't skating anymore, and Godwilling my body still works correctly, I'd just eat like mad and go into heavyweight or superheavyweight class in powerlifting or Olympic lifting. That'd be sweet. I don't wanna look like that at 20, as that'd just suck, but if you're 40 or 50 or so, hey, the wife is stuck with you, you know? Women, would you be pissed if your man decided to look like this at age 40 for the sake of picking heavy things up and putting them down?
If my partner became fat, if it was at the same rate as me, I wouldn't care. Basically, I'd expect of her equivalence to myself. As far as if we're married, you know, the vows are "in sickness and in health" and fatness is a sickness, so yeah. You know, I'd be stuck then. I certainly wouldn't be happy with it, and I'd try to encourage exercise and dieting and stuff, but if that's no go, then...no go, I gotta suck it up and live with it. I do plan on marrying, though, and not just living with my girlfriend and having kids like it seems most people do nowadays, due to the collapse of American society.
As far as a girlfriend, though... I'm pretty active of a person, and basically I'm so vested into my athletic hobbies that normal people basically think I'm nuts. So I think that'd be an obstacle to a lot of relationships for me. Everyone in my house thinks I'm weird for being at all nutritionally or exercise conscious. So I'm assuming most other people would think the same. So even if a girl who played WoW and ate Cheetos 18 hours a day was initially attracted to me, I don't think it'd work as it'd just be a hobby/interest clash. They'd have to be at the very least tolerant of my health consciousness, and I can't imagine too many girls who'd be tolerant toward my skating, gym going, and homecooking if they weren't already doing something similar.
Since my weight has fluctuated in life, being sorta "fat" for a lot of my adolescence into adulthood, I know what the reasons are behind people getting fat, and I know how hard losing weight is, so I'm empathetic to a point, but if people can't be bothered to try to live a healthy life, you know, I can't "make" them. The other thing, too, I've seen girls who are sorta "fat" but are still athletic as all hell, a girl like that I'd probably get along with more than a skinnyfat party girl who once she hits 35 will turn into a blob.
I think, though, if I was married, and about 40 years old or so, and wasn't skating anymore, and Godwilling my body still works correctly, I'd just eat like mad and go into heavyweight or superheavyweight class in powerlifting or Olympic lifting. That'd be sweet. I don't wanna look like that at 20, as that'd just suck, but if you're 40 or 50 or so, hey, the wife is stuck with you, you know? Women, would you be pissed if your man decided to look like this at age 40 for the sake of picking heavy things up and putting them down?
so you want to have a thin wife and yet get fat in order to do powerlifting when you get older?
Eh, I was sorta saying that hypothetically/joking. I can't say for sure what I'll be doing in that amount of time, if I'll even be around, or be married, who knows. But, to answer your question, that'd be kinda fun, yeah. I don't know, skating is a good reason to not do that, and I enjoy skating more than picking up heavy stuff, so yeah, probably won't happen.
And I didn't specify "skinny" I basically specified not obese. http://static.superskinnyme.com/blog/wp ... omen21.jpg 30% is quite a reasonable expectation.
you're correct i should not have said "thin". sorry, misunderstood.
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12 May 2012, 11:33 pm
I love fat girls. I wanna be totally smotherd while we are enjoying each others company, 
12 May 2012, 11:34 pm
Delphiki wrote:
rabbittss wrote:
Delphiki wrote:
rabbittss wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
rabbittss wrote:
But. There. Is. Something. Wrong. With. Them.
Just like there is something wrong with me and you or we wouldn't be on this website.
Just like there is something wrong with me and you or we wouldn't be on this website.
no, there is nothing wrong with obese people. some have health issues and some do not, but by default there isn't anything wrong with them.
I think the CDC would beg to differ. There is a reason its called an obesity 'Epidemic'.
Autism is an 'Epidemic'
http://www.autismspeaks.org/science/sci ... rises-1-88
Yup, sure is, which is why we need to find the source of it. It could be that we are simply diagnosing more and more people with it because we don't know what to do with them otherwise.. It could be environmental, it could be chemical, it could be any number of things. But the fact that the number of people who have it are increasing.. is a cause for alarm.
Oh jeez, because more people are aware of autism and it is being diagnosed more that does not equal more people have it.
Same effect, different cause. the % of the population who is on spectrum is increasing in quantity. If it's simply that doctors are widening their definition, that is also an acceptable reason for the increase.
The trick is with Autism, unless it is really severe, it can be hard to detect, unlike obesity.
12 May 2012, 11:34 pm
1000Knives wrote:
edgewaters wrote:
mds_02 wrote:
Can you please tell me how one would go about that. The idea that someone could choose to be attracted to something that previously they found unappealing is baffling to me. I can't wrap my head around the concept.
Well, think of it this way. What would you say to someone who went around making shopping decisions based completely on the packaging, and apparently being incapable of grasping that he should be buying the corn flakes, not the box they come in?
And what would you think of such a person if we lived in a future where the packaging changed over time?
The problem is, your body is not just a container for your brain. It is just as much a part of you as your brain is. Your body's condition affects how your brain works, and vice versa, it can be a vicious cycle, but to put it simply, if you're skinny and in shape, especially nowadays, it generally means you have a thing called discipline and control over yourself, which is a desirable (though sometimes boring) trait in all human beings.
Wow being skinny is a desirable trait in all human beings? Boy am I glad my guy thinks I'm fine just the way I am. Even though I am considered obese by medical standards he still finds me desirable. What a concept! Not bad for a woman with no discipline or control over herself!
12 May 2012, 11:39 pm
hyperlexian wrote:
ok, here is a further question. if a fat person is strong and healthy (with no health problems whatsoever), why don't you WANT to find them attractive? (anyone can answer)
OK, to answer your powerlifting question. There you go, that's the answer. Strong and healthy. Just huge. But, usually it's not the norm. Usually fat means "lazy" not "I wanna be as strong as the Hulk."
Jang Mi-Ran is a female Olympic lifter, yep, she's fat, but she's strong as all hell. As far as me personally, if I met someone like that, I'd possibly put the looks aside. There. But, since we're speaking generalities here, yeah...
EDIT, also too, most of those superheavyweight people once they stop being competitive do diet down.
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12 May 2012, 11:40 pm
12 May 2012, 11:40 pm
12 May 2012, 11:41 pm
1000Knives wrote:
edgewaters wrote:
mds_02 wrote:
Can you please tell me how one would go about that. The idea that someone could choose to be attracted to something that previously they found unappealing is baffling to me. I can't wrap my head around the concept.
Well, think of it this way. What would you say to someone who went around making shopping decisions based completely on the packaging, and apparently being incapable of grasping that he should be buying the corn flakes, not the box they come in?
And what would you think of such a person if we lived in a future where the packaging changed over time?
The problem is, your body is not just a container for your brain. It is just as much a part of you as your brain is. Your body's condition affects how your brain works, and vice versa, it can be a vicious cycle, but to put it simply, if you're skinny and in shape, especially nowadays, it generally means you have a thing called discipline and control over yourself, which is a desirable (though sometimes boring) trait in all human beings.
It's not really rational to look at anything other than what IS, in a given case. If being fit helps improve alertness and mental functioning, but you have an overweight genius - in this case, the former is 100% irrelevant because it has not caused a deficit relative to the average.
You're trying to rationalize overvaluing outward appearance, and I have to say so far its not convincing. In the real world - personality plays a massive role in attractiveness and suitability. Disregarding this fact is conducive to, well, really crappy experiences with partners. It doesn't surprise me that so many people are so frustrated.
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