The value of men

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Do we men have value? I thought we did but I was wrong, do we have a reason to exist? What is the point in us being around since we are expendable and disposable and serve no other purpose than being sperm doners?

Men, like women, have value. Everybody does, simply for existing. Writ large.

Whether you, specifically, have anything to offer woma kind is a separate issue.

What is our value? Do we have any value or reason to be around? Do we have a purpose besides reproduction? Why are we around just existing and living if we are not needed by women?

"The only reason I exist is because women need me" doesn't sound great either. I'm sure you can think of other reasons why it is worth existing. I have no plans to reproduce and I am very happy to be alive. Living is interesting.

There is no right or wrong, nor is it just a human thing, Battle of the Sexes has escalated with evolution.
That's what makes the "arguments" so pointless. =)

If you're biased on both sides then perhaps neither is an illusion OR perhaps you've balanced it well enough and can relax. =)

Me too.

Very perceptive of you, it's hard for me to notice I do this.

Well, maybe YOU are worthless and useless. Even assuming that is the case, well, that does not mean ALL men are useless.

Do you have any evidence to support you contention that ALL men are useless to ALL women? Or are you just extrapolating from YOUR experience of being worthless to women?

Well? I am a man I am alive and exist I just feel at times I am worthless and useless because I allowed myself to be in an abusive relationship with someone who made me feel useless and worthless to the point I attempted suicide but yet people intervene and try to give me a reason to keep on living but at times I don't know why I should.

Don't find it as sexist, in my experience most women have no clue what they want in a man. But they will list everything they can think of on the spur of the moment like a shopping list.
Also in my experience when they meet a guy that "clicks" for them the list goes right out the window.

But that's okay, who says everybody has to know what they want and stick to everything they've said about the subject?

To understand that this is "Sexual Conflict" <link, and that deception is unavoidably an integral part, will perhaps allow us Aspies to realize that what the other gender says is not what we should base our "truth" on. We must use observation and research.

Until we can understand and accept the actual biological imperatives and the factual differences in gender needs, we'll just stay confused as how to successfully woo someone from the opposite gender.

-Most male animals want sex.
-Gestating and care giving offspring is resource intensive and a heavily gravid female will likely have little success in resource gathering, especially in the hunting arena.
-If the males help contribute resources to child rearing, the species is likely to be more successful.
-Contributing resources allows breeding for babies more often.
-If the cared-for female offers sex and exclusivity to the providing male, the male needs waste less time and resources (and competition) on finding other avenues for sex.

But making it too obvious about what we want means the potential partners might lie about their "fitness" to what we want.
Thus deception: subtlety testing until we can build confidence about the other individual's ability, desire, and commitment to provide what is important to us.

Men pretending they don't value sex and they don't expect anything in return for dinner.
And
Women pretending they don't care how much money he makes.

Want proof? (or at least a couple clues)
Men have a tendency to try to show off how much cool stuff they have.
And
Women tend to wear makeup and underwires.

You know this is generally true even it "not all men and women do that!! !!" or even if "I don't do that!! !! !! !"

When you understand this simple behavior, you'll understand how to date long enough to figure out if you should take a chance on a person or not.



Please stop crying that it's not fair, or not equal, or mean ole society has to change.
Nothing is going to fundamentally change before you die of old age so if you want sex, or if you want a baby, stop the tantrum, grow up and cope with how life has developed over the last 4 billion years.


Grow up and accept the hard truth.
Most women must have additional resources to have a baby.
And
Most men really kinda must have sex.

How else do you think there got to be seven billion of us? Politically correct dating??

AspieOtaku I've posted this same thing several times. Do you not understand it, are you ignoring it, are you not reading it, or are you just trolling?

they have sperm banks. so I don't get where you get that from. I worth is only in as much money we can give women. int that we are easily disposed of when a man with a higher income comes along.

yet so many rights moviments have changed what was . so this too can be changed.

as for the rest ofyour post can be sumed up to be a man, men dont' cry, man up you P***Y.
thanks for no help. rest assured I'll be dead soon enough and out of your cruel worlds way. i suecpec you and the rest of cruel humans will kill you all. nuclear war is the end result of the world you support. humans only live to kill each other. instead of caring and loving one another. we are cruel to each other. those who arent' are called wrong and told to die.

women are kind only as friends. they'd never consider me good enough to date. even though I have many traits they desire and love. I lack the vita one that is income.

she was likely just trying to trick me though.

Neither, I just want to know the answer, but from what it seems we have no value from a womans standpoint and it would make no difference whether we are around or not, we are just here that is it!

Rights movements will never change human nature's animal instincts to be attracted to the most ideal mate. Period.

Practice what you preach. Be caring and loving towards yourself instead of calling yourself worthless and threatening suicide. You'll be healthier and happier for it.

So then work hard to change that one thing, then. It's not going to happen any other way.

Like I told you earlier in this thread, ~4 years ago it was "impossible," for me to earn more than $150/month. Just a couple days ago I made more than $1000 in a single day. Sure, that can and will fluctuate with the stock market.. but still, I've managed to change my income and earnings capacity significantly. I'm not a magician. I did it via hard work.