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08 May 2016, 9:24 am

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Supposing I want advice on how to attract women?


A complete waste of time asking that. Apart from the most basic and obvious advice (be polite, shower regularly, etc.) there is no answer because women are individuals with individual tastes. What attracts one woman repels another.



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08 May 2016, 9:52 am

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But venting or ranting about difficulties related to love, dating or a relationship is a love topic, those don't necessarily include "women are...". What is this nonsense?
Ranting belongs in the Haven. Rants are about the posters experience and frustration, not about love and dating.
Agreed. If the poster is not in love with someone, AND the poster is not dating the person they are in love with, then the post belongs elsewhere (in my opinion). Leave the broken-hearted winges and abandonment/betrayal rants for The Haven

Post in L&D only if you want to declare your love for someone, ask for advice on dating or attracting someone, or announce impending nuptials (in my opinion).



This is insanity.

In other word, you are saying that single people shouldn't post here.

Crushes and dealing with lack of love matters are also related to love and dating realm.

That's like saying that only those who work in politics or religions should post in PPR.

Alex, please don't listen to this insanity.

Do what you think is best.



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08 May 2016, 9:54 am

Of course Alex will do what he thinks is best; but at least he's getting input from us members. I only hope that he actually reads some of them.


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08 May 2016, 9:55 am

You are suggesting to discriminate against single people, and not allow them to post here.

This should not be allowed.

I am sure alex won't accept it either.



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08 May 2016, 9:59 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
You are suggesting to discriminate against single people, and not allow them to post here.

That is a massive illogical jump.
Venting and ranting is most destructive to the people indulging in it. Sorry, kraftie, I have to disagree with you. It legitimizes illogical feelings and ends up making the person feel worse.



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08 May 2016, 10:08 am

Ok, someone said a generalized advice is sexism because each person is individual...etc

Kirsten, a user who wrote articles on the home page of wp, in her own words:

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This is an area where girls have the advantage over guys. I had no idea how to flirt or show interest, so I was often overlooked. it finally came down to it, I wasn’t expected to make a chase. In the end, all I really had to do was wait.


To me this is a generalization, no?

Should alex ban his friend now? :lol:



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08 May 2016, 10:10 am

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. If the poster is not in love with someone, AND the poster is not dating the person they are in love with, then the post belongs elsewhere


I understand English well.

This means no singles and dateless people.

alex's description of this subforum:

Whether you're a smooth-talking Adonis or a lonely heart, this forum can be used for discussing relationships and romance.


So it's not only for people in relationships, and it's not only for taking advice.



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08 May 2016, 10:11 am

androbot01 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
You are suggesting to discriminate against single people, and not allow them to post here.

That is a massive illogical jump.
Venting and ranting is most destructive to the people indulging in it. Sorry, kraftie, I have to disagree with you. It legitimizes illogical feelings and ends up making the person feel worse.



androbot, please... you are one pf the people that I have decided to not interact with anymore.

Please I don't want to talk you.



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08 May 2016, 11:49 am

Certain types of people should NOT be restricted from this board, though certain types of conversation should.
Some of us struggle for acceptance even in here, which as sly rightly pointed out is meant to be a place people on the spectrum should feel comfortable (though these were not his exact words).

Gender politics, non-advice in advice threads, and vents about others could do with being redirected to other forums.


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08 May 2016, 12:13 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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and let's have PPR for women and PPR for men, General Autism for women, GA for men...etc.

Seriously? Is this a public toilet?

Let's go full Sharia on this forum :lol:


Perhaps just a men's wp and a women's wp

With a a meeting hut in the demilitarized zone surrounded by mods. And divided by a wall where posts from either sided see reviewed and edited before passed on.

Suppose were need some form of evidence provided by memebers to prove their gender.
Probably a facebooke and investigation process to prove the person is real and who they say they are. Sure we'll lose many people and some might kill themselves but others feelings and idology will be protected,

Also women who feel more comfortable around men and disagree tin the others idology will be stuck like those stuck in North Korea. Likewise for men. Equality can only come from censorship and segregation.

Perhaps wp will become like In the show vandread. Where women and men hate each other and don't even know what each other look like are are, having been raised on separate planets for hundreds or thousands of years.

/Sarcasm


This scenario is....interesting.


It's one of my favorite anime series



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08 May 2016, 12:16 pm

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And who's Grischa? :|


Someone who posted after you when I was trying to post.

I'm totally riled up about it. I'm going to dig a hole in the ground get in it, and stone myself.

I will hold you personally responsible. :twisted:


please take the next spot, I am already digging here


Stop digging holes in my yard



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08 May 2016, 12:25 pm

I don't think this forum should only be open to people in love with someone. People like sly has in the past who phase things bad or get emotional simply need a clear explanation.

I hope sly doesn't mind my sharing this. Once we both spoke about my post in the women's forum we made up and apologised to each other for misunderstanding. Once I explained my post was to try and understand his experiences and find put what other women were thinking sly understood that I wasn't trying to be horrible and disregard his experiences.

Looking at it now I realised I should not have reacted so emotionally and just spoken to sly about it. Likewise if sly had asked me about it I could have explained. Love and dating is a very emotional topic so maybe we could all agree to try and act less impulsively when we post. I know I need to work on it :) :)

Sorry for the long post, I just wanted to share my view



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08 May 2016, 12:28 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
But venting or ranting about difficulties related to love, dating or a relationship is a love topic, those don't necessarily include "women are...". What is this nonsense?
Ranting belongs in the Haven. Rants are about the posters experience and frustration, not about love and dating.
Agreed. If the poster is not in love with someone, AND the poster is not dating the person they are in love with, then the post belongs elsewhere (in my opinion). Leave the broken-hearted winges and abandonment/betrayal rants for The Haven

Post in L&D only if you want to declare your love for someone, ask for advice on dating or attracting someone, or announce impending nuptials (in my opinion).



This is insanity.

In other word, you are saying that single people shouldn't post here.

Crushes and dealing with lack of love matters are also related to love and dating realm.

That's like saying that only those who work in politics or religions should post in PPR.

Alex, please don't listen to this insanity.

Do what you think is best.


If so rename it relationships and unhappy about being in them.
People happy in relationships don't post on here anymore.

They'd be swapping out unhappily single people to unhappy relationship people. Currently both posts. Of its not a single person posting it's usually a woman posting s out how horrible her aspie guy is and what can she do to fix him.



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08 May 2016, 4:21 pm

Fnord wrote:
Agreed. If the poster is not in love with someone, AND the poster is not dating the person they are in love with, then the post belongs elsewhere (in my opinion). Leave the broken-hearted winges and abandonment/betrayal rants for The Haven


Wait, so I'm not allowed to post in here anymore? What about people who are neither but still want advise on how to date or meet people?



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08 May 2016, 4:26 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
But if the rant is sexist or containts a generalization then it would still make problems in the havens.

But if the love-related rant is clean and not offensive to any group, then where is the problem to be in L&D?

The problem is not where it is being posted.


If a post or thread is sexist than it should be removed no matter where it is. It is in the forum guidelines.

The point of moving even the harmless rants is so someone isn't left trying to decide if their new topic belongs here or there. Someone might find it clean and unoffensive, someone might take issue with it. Really though, if you are ranting, what is the point? What are you trying to get out of it? Like Kraftie said, sometimes people just need to let the emotions out and get some positive support. That is what the Haven is for. Sometimes people are looking to start a debate. Or they are asking a question that is most definitely going to lead to a debate. That is what PPR is for.

Alex asked for suggestions on how to create a more mellow atmosphere in this subforum. The easiest solution to Alex's problem would be to move the topics that create a different atmosphere. There are certain kinds of topics that bring about a more heated debate. Once things heat up, calm, rational conversations can devolve into vitriol fueled debates where people take sides and nothing gets resolved. It seems to happen on this subforum more than most of the others.

The PPR and Haven guidelines spell all of this out. PPR is for debating and has less strict rules. It literally says, "The same thread that can happily exist in PPR would not be allowed to exist in the Random forum for example. Hot topics of debate belong in PPR". The Haven is for people in distress looking for help and support. Not to debate. The other subforums are mostly for "sharing information, mutual support, general chit-chat and socialising".

So really, this should already be the case. I haven't seen any good arguments against it either. There might be fewer posts in L&D. So what? Maybe people will see a lack of activity and decide not to post, which would exacerbate the problem. However, there's also a chance that people will feel more encouraged to post if they know the topic is less likely to turn into a heated debate. Even if there are less posts, that would likely just mean more posts in other places.



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08 May 2016, 4:36 pm

I think single people should be allowed to post, as long as they are asking specific questions about a real person or persons in whom they're interested. For example, asking how to get a specific woman's attention is fine, or asking what to do with a specific guy on a date. Posts that just say "what do men want" or "why don't women like me" are beyond useless. And yes, they are also sexist, because the underlying assumption is that all men or women are interchangeable and stereotyped.