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31 May 2007, 3:13 pm

What a load of bollocks... ^



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31 May 2007, 3:15 pm

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If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. -- Deuteronomy
Aye, very civil.
Ignorance :roll:

Women don't have rights, you see? the Bible says so.

God permitted that because he is a guy, all women should accept that or they will pay to consequences. :twisted:


Stoke it, buddy, stoke that anti-God anger! :twisted:

First you say greenblue doesn't believe in God, now you say he's angry with him... Which is it?


It's both, hence the insanity.


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31 May 2007, 3:17 pm

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History recorded God's dealings or lack of thereof? O-kay... I didn't know we could see God. I also didn't know that written human history recorded every single fact that ever occured on Earth. That's amazing you'd think that it did.

History shows us the attitudes of the time towards women and sex.

Obvious!


That's a true statement, but you're cleverly avoiding addressing Christian (biblical) attitudes toward women in the first century. It was very civil and egalitarian.

Biblical attitudes to women in the 1st century.
Let's see ...
Paul
Yep, he was very sexist


Well that was a thorough analysis. I'm convinced!


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31 May 2007, 3:19 pm

But I wanna go back to something: Sopho, are you saying that if you married a physical male whose gender was female, and you've got full access to a penis, you wouldn't have any curiosity at all? None?


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31 May 2007, 3:23 pm

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But I wanna go back to something: Sopho, are you saying that if you married a physical male whose gender was female, and you've got full access to a penis, you wouldn't have any curiosity at all? None?

No. I'm not particularly interested in having sex with anyone anyway. It's definitely not one of my top priorities. But no, I'm sure I wouldn't be curious. Why would I be?



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31 May 2007, 3:26 pm

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Congratulations Ragtime, I only wish that you would take a little more time on getting to know one another on a more intimate level that only dating can bring. Heres a rather long article I found on a husbands role in a marriage. I wish you both the best God Bless :) Husbands
Many women are militant feminists because they have seen too many men abuse their role as the husband. God actually has much more to say to the husband than he does to the wife. Listen to what the Bible has to say to the husband…
“Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it” (Ephesians 5:25).
God commands the husband to love his wife. The word “love” here means, “to welcome, to entertain, to be fond of, to love dearly.” Hence, a man is to give his wife the attention, respect, admiration and the cheering up she needs.
“Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them” (Colossians 3:19).
“Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered” (1st Peter 3:7).
It is wrong for a man to be a tyrant towards his wife. A husband is to be loving, kind and considerate. So many men today are woefully ignorant of the Bible.
“Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband” (1st Corinthians 7:3).
The word “benevolence” means, “goodwill, kindness.” “Goodwill” means, “a disposition to kindness and compassion.” Hence, the husband is to be a nice guy! He’s not to be a tyrant jerk. God COMMANDS the husband to be kind and compassionate. This is the wife’s “DUE” treatment. A husband is not supposed to bring his job frustrations home with him to take out on the wife. The husband is to deal with the wife “according to knowledge” the Bible says (1 Peter 3:7). This means use your head guys, you’re in charge! You get more bears with honey. Some fellas are just plain selfish and rotten towards their wives. My father used to buy my mom cleaning supplies for Christmas. Though she never complained, he didn’t treat her very nice. A husband should love and value his wife. “Honor” means “to value” in the Bible. A man who values his wife WILL treat her with dignity and respect. Some men are complete pigs at home. Unless your wife is a pig also, I’m sure she would appreciate your better manners.
Likewise, the wife is to show kindness and compassion on the husband. A man told me he was out front of his house cutting the grass. He was sweating. He asked his wife if she’d get him a drink of water. She said, “Get it yourself!” How wicked! How rebellious! If this is you, I pity you on judgment day. A wife is to give “DUE” kindness and compassion to the husband. Surely…a hug, drink, slippers and something to eat are not too much to ask if your man goes to work for you. Fellas, if your wife works—you should split the housework accordingly.

Mutual Submission
I’m now going to share with you the truth of the matter and I think you’ll be amazed.
“Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God” (Ephesians 5:21).
The honest truth is that the husband is also commanded by God to submit to the wife. Yes, the man is the head of his home; however, he is supposed to yield to his wife’s requests and wishes whenever possible—this is love. Many men think that the wife is to be a slave, having no will of her own. This is untrue! The Bible never teaches that submission is a one-way street. This is what the Bible says. I believe that a loving husband will yield to the wife’s wishes 95% of the time; however, for that 5% area where the husband feels he knows best, the wife is to submit to the husband. It basically means that the wife gives the husband veto power over her life. This should not be a problem if the husband is a godly man. A godly man is a kind and compassionate man!
The problems arise when the husband is not fulfilling his role and responsibility as a man. Too many husbands expect their wife to obey, but then they provoke their wives to anger by not being kind, respectful and considerate. On the other hand; some wives are abusive; no matter how much the husband gives, the wife takes and takes and takes. My pastor used to say from the pulpit,” If either one of you were a good Christian, there would be no arguments.” He use to also say, “It takes two to tango.”
I only included this truth on mutual submission because I believe that many folks have gotten the wrong idea about all this. Yes, the man is to be the head of his home. Yes, the wife is to give her husband “veto power” over her life.” However, a godly and loving husband will not try to manipulate and control his wife. A wife is not to be kept in a cage. The husband is to love his wife; encourage her; brag on her; build her up. The wife is to do the same for the husband. Marriages could be revolutionized if couples across America would take this truth to heart.
The same principle applies to the employer/employee relationship. The employer should allow the employees to have their way most of the time; however, at times the employer will have to say, “I’m sorry, but you cannot do that.” The employees are to submit to the employer, and then a good employer will submit to the employees—but the employees must submit first. Likewise, a wife is to submit to her husband, and then the husband submits to the wife—but the wife must submit first. A wife is more likely to submit to a husband that allows her to do things her way most of the time. An employee is more likely to submit to the desires of management if management allows the employees to have their own way most of the time. Whether it is a marriage, a family, a church, or a business; this is God’s method for management—mutual submission.
“Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God” (Ephesians 5:21).


I think preacherman missed this pwnage :D



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31 May 2007, 3:27 pm

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But I wanna go back to something: Sopho


well of course you do: youve been owned, again. :P



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31 May 2007, 3:28 pm

Sopho wrote:
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But I wanna go back to something: Sopho, are you saying that if you married a physical male whose gender was female, and you've got full access to a penis, you wouldn't have any curiosity at all? None?

No. I'm not particularly interested in having sex with anyone anyway. It's definitely not one of my top priorities. But no, I'm sure I wouldn't be curious. Why would I be?


I'm confused... :? You're not seeking a non-sexual relationship, are you?


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31 May 2007, 3:29 pm

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But I wanna go back to something: Sopho


well of course you do: youve been owned, again. :P


You are a tribute to WrongPlanet's tollerance. Perhaps I am too!


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31 May 2007, 3:32 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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But I wanna go back to something: Sopho, are you saying that if you married a physical male whose gender was female, and you've got full access to a penis, you wouldn't have any curiosity at all? None?

No. I'm not particularly interested in having sex with anyone anyway. It's definitely not one of my top priorities. But no, I'm sure I wouldn't be curious. Why would I be?


I'm confused... :? You're not seeking a non-sexual relationship, are you?

I would be OK with a non-sexual relationship. I could explain what I mean by that post in more detail but I'd rather not go into it on the internet. :wink: I don't really see how it matters anyway. Someone who gets married doesn't have to have sex with their wife/husband.



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31 May 2007, 3:36 pm

Sopho wrote:
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But I wanna go back to something: Sopho, are you saying that if you married a physical male whose gender was female, and you've got full access to a penis, you wouldn't have any curiosity at all? None?

No. I'm not particularly interested in having sex with anyone anyway. It's definitely not one of my top priorities. But no, I'm sure I wouldn't be curious. Why would I be?


I'm confused... :? You're not seeking a non-sexual relationship, are you?

I would be OK with a non-sexual relationship. I could explain what I mean by that post in more detail but I'd rather not go into it on the internet. :wink: I don't really see how it matters anyway. Someone who gets married doesn't have to have sex with their wife/husband.


Then, what does marriage mean, for you?


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31 May 2007, 3:38 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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But I wanna go back to something: Sopho


well of course you do: youve been owned, again. :P


You are a tribute to WrongPlanet's tollerance. Perhaps I am too!


Whatever you say Lukewarm: ignoring things doesn't make them go away.
I like how you don't respond to TheResistance, it's funny.
Deflect the issue, say something irrelevant and move on to asking Soph about her sexuality.
It's how you deal with most things.
Either that or quote the bible.

"I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will pwn you out of my mouth."



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31 May 2007, 3:40 pm

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Then, what does marriage mean, for you?

It means being able to have the same legal and financial right, benefits and protection for my relationship that anyone else is entitled to. Whether or not my partner and I have sex or how we do it has absolutely nothing to do with it. I can be in a romantic relationship without having sex. And I can be in a sexual relationship without having the usual sex.



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31 May 2007, 3:44 pm

Sopho wrote:
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Then, what does marriage mean, for you?

It means being able to have the same legal and financial right, benefits and protection for my relationship that anyone else is entitled to. Whether or not my partner and I have sex or how we do it has absolutely nothing to do with it. I can be in a romantic relationship without having sex. And I can be in a sexual relationship without having the usual sex.


Can adults become legally registered as family members in the UK apart from marriage? Strange question, I know. But it would give you all the visitation rights, etc.


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31 May 2007, 3:45 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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Then, what does marriage mean, for you?

It means being able to have the same legal and financial right, benefits and protection for my relationship that anyone else is entitled to. Whether or not my partner and I have sex or how we do it has absolutely nothing to do with it. I can be in a romantic relationship without having sex. And I can be in a sexual relationship without having the usual sex.


Can adults become legally registered as family members in the UK apart from marriage? Strange question, I know. But it would give you all the visitation rights, etc.

We have civil partnerships here actually, which are marriages under a different name.



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31 May 2007, 3:50 pm

The problem here Ragtime is that you still believe that Soph is gay because that was her choice, you seem to think that if she just try with a guy then she might realize you were right and she was wrong, and say, "what a stupid c**t I was" (Sorry Soph, just making an example :wink:) or something like that.

You rely in the bible to comdenm homosexuality and thinking of it as a choice, a sinful one, without contemplating the scientific and biological aspects of sexual orientation.

You can cite the Bible and you can say anything christian you want, but that does not do any justice at all to minorities. And just justifies ignorance and prejudice, and hate, which is very sad. Sorry, but that is the TRUTH most poeple here will agree.

Not vey fair.



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