A girlfriend is not a lost puppy.
Oh, and another thing--I do my part for autism by making regular donations at the sperm bank, that's a fact and not just something I'm saying. Hopefully some NT family will get a low functioning little bundle of joy with special interests including lighting things on fire and screaming his little head off.
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I think what this thread is really about is you trying to peddle your Dr Mario "cure", which hasn't helped you in getting or maintaining a relationship by your own admission!
I never said you or your partner weren’t attracted to one another.
An aspie nation is a fantasy pipe dream. The closest you might get is some hippie collective or something like that: IMO.
Why would you measure the success of my treatment protocol against a goal I’ve never strived towards? It’s never really been my objective to get into a relationship. I intentionally avoid them & have declined more than several offers to date. IF my objective was to get into a relationship I’d do that. It isn’t.
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That’s just straight up nuts, IMO.
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I find this extremely worrying both in the action itself and in the reasoning you have stated is behind it.
It is also massively dishonest.
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"Only NTs like big butts, and if an aspie likes big butts that just means they are NT in that regard because only NTs like big butts."
And I don't know about you, but in my view relationships involve a not insignificant degree of social interaction. I seem to remember the diagnostic criteria for ASD mentioning that.
Culture is a factor too, yes, but there is no learning to be NT. There is only learning to navigate a society made up predominately of NTs. And no one insists on you being attractive, but being attractive makes attracting someone easier, no one insists you date, but without going out and meeting people between four eyes it's going to be difficult evaluating potential partners for compatibility, and sex is much more interesting with a partner than without one.
I have to agree with this.
Some of the things NTs value are weird to me but that doesn't mean all ASDs feel the same about it. And
some things, like personal hygiene, possibly matter more to me in a relationship (partly due to my OCD).
Being autistic may make our values more individual, it's a jump to say if we share any with NTs we are being NT
in that area.
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I think you misunderstand it. Physical attractiveness, grooming, social status and fashions all are NT preferences, and so by focusing on them and accepting them as necessary means you have become an NT.
Wrong. They are NT relationship preferences. As such, they have no meaning for NDs that don't want to fake being NT.
Wrong again. None of my relationships started this way. That's because I have no wish to get involved in a NT-style relationship.
Um, no. Incorrect on all accounts. These are Human traits, Not NT specific or Only traits. To suggest that ND people are uninterested in any or all of these things is a complete fallacy. Maybe YOU aren’t interested in these things - but just because you write a “report,” about it doesn’t mean it applies to any other, or all, ND people. Get real.
I have proved it with large populations, and also written several papers about it. So, if you want to argue the point, find the faults in the studies, and stop writing nonsense here.
And, no, I never said it applied to all NDs. It seems to be extremely hard for people to distinguish between traits part of individual NDs, and traits that are linked & part of the ND spectrum. That a trait is part of the ND spectrum doesn't mean it is part of all individuals that are ND (or ASD). It's called a spectrum (and not a phenotype) because the traits are only correlated.
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Those "looking," for a girlfriend should look in the mirror instead (not obsessively or anything) and work on themselves. Get fitter/healthier, be well groomed with impeccable personal hygiene, dress decently (not necessarily expensively, just don't look homeless like me when I'm on my way to work. ) Maybe take up a hobby or something so you have an interest/skill to display competence or mastery in. etc. The animal kingdom gets this.. right down to lowly spiders. Males are often ornately decorated & do little mating dances and such to attract females.
It seems there's a common misconception here that focusing on one's self vs. finding a partner is counterproductive as then you may miss out on an opportunity to meet that special someone. The exact polar opposite is true. Focusing on yourself is what's necessary to make yourself stand out and be noticed by that special someone. It's also how you overcome appearing "desperate," - by playing the nonchalant "hard to get," card. You may REALLY REALLY REALLY want to talk to that girl and get her number.. but chances are you'll mess it up royally & would be better served by playing it cool and letting her talk to you once she notices you. Or keep your approach super minimal so as not to let on that you're interested. People want what they can't have.. so if you make it be known that you're looking for a date, you won't likely get one. But if you're polite and flash a smile, someone may be curious enough about you to want to get together and learn more about you. Oui oui, NT games.. but this is how these things work in the real world. Point blank communication comes across as desperation & repels vs. attracts unless you are particularly skilled at PUA tactics.
Good hygiene and grooming is necessary but not sufficient. I hear women complaining constantly that their bf "dresses like a slob". Also, remember Elliott Roger? He had good hygiene, wore designer clothes, drove a fancy car and had access to riches and this sure worked out so well for him! He was too damn shy to ask any girls out......
That being said, this advice is really better suited to women rather than men. Men are visual creatures and pay far more attention to looks and what clothes she's wearing than vice versa. But more importantly, men in general are expected by women to play the active role in the courtship process. Women are attracted to men who are confident(the opposite of confidence is anxiety), and even moreso to men who are assertive. Sometimes women do ask men out, but that is the exception not the norm(it happens << 50% of the time) so men should not go through life expecting it. The text I put in bold is certainly true for birds(and some other creatures)but it is totally not the case for humans. With humans, the females dress ornately and show off their bodies to attract the males.
Besides, you can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that many of us Aspies prefer quality over quantity. You prefer the latter. But we ain't gonna change just to suit you, my friend. Stop playing into peoples insecurities to promote your self-help poppycock.
For what it's worth, it's quite liberating to throw this whole unwritten rule book out any window you please. I don't arrange dates or label relationships anymore because I realized that was an unhealthy way of evaluating who's really important to me. The facts of who really matters to you actually have little to do with sexuality.
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Those "looking," for a girlfriend should look in the mirror instead (not obsessively or anything) and work on themselves. Get fitter/healthier, be well groomed with impeccable personal hygiene, dress decently (not necessarily expensively, just don't look homeless like me when I'm on my way to work. ) Maybe take up a hobby or something so you have an interest/skill to display competence or mastery in. etc. The animal kingdom gets this.. right down to lowly spiders. Males are often ornately decorated & do little mating dances and such to attract females.
It seems there's a common misconception here that focusing on one's self vs. finding a partner is counterproductive as then you may miss out on an opportunity to meet that special someone. The exact polar opposite is true. Focusing on yourself is what's necessary to make yourself stand out and be noticed by that special someone. It's also how you overcome appearing "desperate," - by playing the nonchalant "hard to get," card. You may REALLY REALLY REALLY want to talk to that girl and get her number.. but chances are you'll mess it up royally & would be better served by playing it cool and letting her talk to you once she notices you. Or keep your approach super minimal so as not to let on that you're interested. People want what they can't have.. so if you make it be known that you're looking for a date, you won't likely get one. But if you're polite and flash a smile, someone may be curious enough about you to want to get together and learn more about you. Oui oui, NT games.. but this is how these things work in the real world. Point blank communication comes across as desperation & repels vs. attracts unless you are particularly skilled at PUA tactics.
Good hygiene and grooming is necessary but not sufficient. I hear women complaining constantly that their bf "dresses like a slob". Also, remember Elliott Roger? He had good hygiene, wore designer clothes, drove a fancy car and had access to riches and this sure worked out so well for him! He was too damn shy to ask any girls out......
That being said, this advice is really better suited to women rather than men. Men are visual creatures and pay far more attention to looks and what clothes she's wearing than vice versa. But more importantly, men in general are expected by women to play the active role in the courtship process. Women are attracted to men who are confident(the opposite of confidence is anxiety), and even moreso to men who are assertive. Sometimes women do ask men out, but that is the exception not the norm(it happens << 50% of the time) so men should not go through life expecting it. The text I put in bold is certainly true for birds(and some other creatures)but it is totally not the case for humans. With humans, the females dress ornately and show off their bodies to attract the males.
Besides, you can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that many of us Aspies prefer quality over quantity. You prefer the latter. But we ain't gonna change just to suit you, my friend. Stop playing into peoples insecurities to promote your self-help poppycock.
I’ve never said quantity > quality. But for the guys here that get Zero dates, a quantity of 1 or more is definitely better. There’s a very simple (for me) communication process to go from first contact to meeting in person & a number of people on this forum have not managed to master it, yet alone figure it out at all. These people Need self help guidance so they can learn to do better for themselves.
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Oh, for sure. Friends, family, God children - they all matter more than people I have sex with.
I could have gotten laid last night not that was important to me, but it wasn’t. Spending time with my favourite family of 4 to go see a movie (Incredibles 2) and have a late night dinner was FAR superior to hooking up with some random gay boy. There’s plenty of other times and opportunities for that.
But that’s not to say that sex/fwb (or relationships if that’s your thing) don’t matter at all.
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I could have gotten laid last night not that was important to me, but it wasn’t. Spending time with my favourite family of 4 to go see a movie (Incredibles 2) and have a late night dinner was FAR superior to hooking up with some random gay boy. There’s plenty of other times and opportunities for that.
But that’s not to say that sex/fwb (or relationships if that’s your thing) don’t matter at all.
I guess that stuff matters more in one's own context or there wouldn't be 20 page debates about it. Lots of people have to meditate on these things for ages before reaching any applicable conclusions. It's not just awkward guys.
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This is definitely true for most(>50% of people), but not for everyone. If you are extroverted, and especially if you are an impulsive person who can tolerate cognitive dissonance, monogamy is too restrictive.
For some people, monogamy comes naturally. Multiple partners would make a person like me feel extremely confused. It's like cognitive dissonance. Focusing on just 1 person is more simple and more stable.
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