"You need to work on yourself!"
And yet in another thread in this same forum you have people saying the word “incel” is tainted, actual definition be damned. Many women these days and the law that supports them are always putting forth the idea that abuse can be anything they say it is.
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Carefree the songs our children once sang,
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Clouds came and covered the sun,
the breath of a baleful unease,
turning to ashes flowers in their fields,
silenced the birds in the trees.
Someone once accused me of harassment because I said "Good Morning" as I passed her desk on my way to my office. She accused my of harassment again when I started avoiding her by using the shipping department to enter and leave the building. Apparently, she just wanted to rack up a score of harassment cases against other people.
Why would anyone want to be known as an "incel" under the particular definition which has revealed itself over the past couple of years?
"Incel" is tainted----because people operating under the "Incel" ideology have done harm to people, just because they don't feel they can get a date.
I don't disdain people who have difficulty getting dates and relationships--who are "involuntarily celibate." I was one of those people a long time ago. It didn't feel good.
Listen from about 12:00 to 18:30
Contrary to what the guy says, though, I don't stay with my mother because I think she's "so great". I stay with her because I am stuck in my life routine and my attempts to evolve as a human being have ended in failure.
I do agree with him on trying to meet women at church, though. I couldn't even make friends on my own at the churches I was made to go to by my parents so romantic relationships are out of the question as well. People in those settings tend to already have company with them so they aren't looking to make new connections.
Here you are.
Your evolving as a human being is not intended to end with your 30th birthday. Actually, it is not intended to end for your whole life.
Unfortunately, a girlfriend won't come from heavens and drag you out of it. Typically, the chronology is reverse. You work your way out and there you find your mate.
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I hadn't thought of that before but it's true. When people really like someone they don't really notice the negatives.
Most women subconsciously enjoy the negatives - and are not consciously aware of it.
So are you saying that most women are idiot?
Correct.
Most also have a genetically-predisposed inability to choose their mates properly.
They reproduce with abusive-males, creating more abusive-males - where the problem has been generational since the beggining of Mankind.
This is the primary source of problems in the world - most women being designed to be stupid - reproducing with bad men and in turn creating more bad men, which then reproduce with more stupid women.
And then the problem repeats itself, generation over generation, over and over again.
This is the kind of feminism I despise. Trying to fight for women but having no respect for them and no belief in their capabilities of being responsible citizens.
No, I'm a realist - I'm not interested in Gaslighting people.
I will tell you the truth - even if you find it unpleasant or inconvienant.
I have basic respect for other women - but my expectations for their intellect are set very low.
They can be responsible citizens in the area of paying taxes and holding a job.
But in the area of social interaction most (but not all) women have genetic-predisposition for stupidity.
They seek to date abusive-males (through no fault of their own - they are genetically-defective) and they reject healthy Alpha-males.
Their descisions cause destructive-ripples that spread through society - because when they seek to date/reproduce with an abusive-male, they cause misery to themselves.
When they reject the healthy Alpha-male, they cause misery to him.
Most women are fairly self-destructive - without even being aware of it.
No - that's an excuse - and a bad one that hurts people, ultimately.
Women being stupid has nothing to do with culture or even PTSD.
My father before he passed away, worked for a very powerful Shipping Magnate, and so I got to see much of the world.
I've been to much of Asia, including Japan.
I found that women in countries like South Korea, Vietnam, China and the Philippines for example, have little self-respect and are intellectually-stupid compared to women in Japan.
Women in Japan tend to be selective when choosing their mates - and they are attracted to handsome males that treat them with respect.
However - Japanese women come from a culture that suppresses females the same way all Asian cultures do.
The difference.
It's genes.
Japanese people have a different genetic-makeup than the rest of their Asian counterparts.
Japanese people are descended from the Chinese-settlers who landed on the islands of Japan - and the Ainu - an indigenous people said to have come from the Middle East thousands of years ago.
Intermixing with the Ainu increased the genetic-potential for intellect with the Chinese-settlers as they became the Japanese.
Today, many actors, politicians, doctors, scientists and other important people in Japan have Ainu-DNA.
Many Japanese girls do, too - and they don't seek to marry American/European men for Greencards and money like Filipinas do, for example.
Many Asian women get with abusive-males, because they have the same genetic-predisposition that 90% of women in the world have.
Japanese women are turned-off by abusive-males and are not attracted to them.
Female Anime characters appear smart and approachable because they are based off of Japanese women (mind-blown yet?)
Now - back to your original erroneous-point about it being culture and PTSD that makes women make stupid descisions.
Again, it has nothing to do with culture or PTSD - that is a harmful lie that gaslights society.
It's the same as saying that culture or even PTSD causes you to become an alcoholic - it doesn't - it's in your genes.
No one forces you to become an alcoholic - but if you have a genetic-predisposition for alcohol-abuse, then you will.
Everything is genetic - 90% of women worldwide are genetically-predisposed to being unable to reproduce-correctly - this is the source of all the bad, abusive-men in the world.
Reproduce with an abusive-man - produce another abusive-man.
Simple - not complicated - rinse and repeat, and we have our current problem.
However, because women are genetically-predisposed to date/reproduce with abusive-males - then they should not be faulted for that.
Even though most women create the abusive men in the world - since it is a genetic-compulsion - it's not their fault.
Although you cannot solve this problem, without admitting that there is a problem.
Claiming that women make their stupid descisions because of culture or PTSD is just false - and it only serves to gaslight people.
There are good hurt-men who are trying to find a mate who are on a hamster-wheel going around and around in circles because society wants to gaslight them and each other by reinforcing the lie that most women are intelligent - when esoteric reality shows this is not true.
Most of the time men get involved with those women because they are physically-attractive (which is an intelligent descision - compared to women who will get with an abusive-male who is ugly) and usually when men find the woman is controlling they will leave (the woman posses no physical-threat to them either way) unless leverage, like blackmail is involved.
However, since these men get involved with these succubus because they are attractive and pose no physical-threat, then it's an apples/oranges situation and different.
I could not adjust to adulthood. Having to make my own decisions was impossible due to being so indecisive and my lack of social skills. I graduated college but I never found a job, I made no friends at college, no networks and average marks so no job prospects. Studying Engineering or IT may have yielded better job prospects than a Business degree. I could not handle applying for countless jobs and never get any responses. Being a NEET is not going to make friends nor is it going to attract women.
I hadn't thought of that before but it's true. When people really like someone they don't really notice the negatives.
Most women subconsciously enjoy the negatives - and are not consciously aware of it.
What nonsense. They complain to their friends about the negatives.
Like, "he doesn't spend enough time with me" or telling you about how he nit picks stupid little things.
And then they stay with that guy.
And then they stay with that guy.
That doesn't mean that they enjoy the negatives.
I'm not talking about abusive men here.
I lived with my friend's nit picking husband. We shared an apartment for a bit. He really is a genuinely nice guy. He's just weird about stupid things. The guys on here would think he's a dumb jock. But I would share an apartment with him again. He's alright. I wouldn't date him. We're too different.
My point is, women see the negatives, but they also like the really good points more. So that dumb guy you see that girl with. Yeah, she knows he's not the brightest, but he's also got some really nice qualities you maybe don't realise are there.
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Lois: "You know, you don't have to stay with a man who treats you that way."
Brenda: "Oh, Jeff's sweet."
Brenda: "You don't see how soft and gentle he hits me when we're alone."
Lois: "Do you hear yourself? He shouldn't be hitting you at all."
No, there is no chronology like that in relationships. I actually feel like I had the correct idea of how to get into a relationship as an teenager, but then lost that track as schools ended. It wasn't until five years ago I finally went on to the right track again. I would instead claim that absorbing dating advice is detrimental to relationship success. I also disagree that human relationships are complicated. It's the cultural dating scheme that is complex, but it has no relevance for neurodiverse relationships.
Your modesty is commendable.
How could we be? We are in separate locations - unlike the intimate-couples we're discussing.
I'm an ultra-liberal blogger who looks for good in all men (even the abusive-ones) and a marriage-counselor - I feel that should be good enough for you.
My points only hinge on logic - I demonstrably do not gaslight people, as others do.
"Experts"?
That's subjective - these are people writing unproven-theories whose own experiments are funded by organizations who influence their work.
In any case, you already proved my point, and as I said before, I thank you.
You seem so ... Republican ... claiming victory where you have none, projecting your own attitudes onto others, denigrating both the scientific method and the scientists who use it, using fictional characters to support your claims, and insinuating your own opinions as fact when you have neither the evidence nor any expertise to in the field whatsoever. Your hubris is exceeded only by your ignorance. Donald Trump would be proud of you.
"Family Guy"? You offer an episode of "Family Guy" to support your opinions? Grow Up!
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You seem so ... Republican ... claiming victory where you have none, projecting your own attitudes onto others, denigrating both the scientific method and the scientists who use it, using fictional characters to support your claims, and insinuating your own opinions as fact when you have neither the evidence nor any expertise to in the field whatsoever. Your hubris is exceeded only by your ignorance. Donald Trump would be proud of you.
"Family Guy"? You offer an episode of "Family Guy" to support your opinions? Grow Up!
I dunno, Fnord. She might be winning me over. I have noticed women seem to have an almost addictive tendency towards abusive men. They get locked into cycles of drama. They may get sick of one guy and leave. But it never takes long for them to end up with the same kind of guy later on. And they end up crying about how they can’t understand how this keeps happening.
I’m not citing any scientific studies, and I’m not trying to prove anything. I’ve just personally seen this happen more times than I care to. Take that for what it’s worth. I get that personal experience isn’t “science,” and I understand why. But when it comes to persuading someone of a fact, it’s easier when what you’re talking about is “in their backyard.”
I’m not convinced that “most” women are like that. And I’m not 100% convinced that there’s quite the genetic role she says there is. But I have no doubt that genetics do play some role in part of it. However, I think that human nature is genetic by virtue of it being human. We’re ALL broken to some extent. The form our brokenness takes may vary, but it is nonetheless part of our makeup.
I also don’t believe in a priori knowledge. Most of the behavior is learned. Our genes may influence our instincts or perspectives, but one can conceivably recognize instinctive drama-seeking tendencies and adopt habits that counteract them.
I hadn't thought of that before but it's true. When people really like someone they don't really notice the negatives.
Most women subconsciously enjoy the negatives - and are not consciously aware of it.
What nonsense. They complain to their friends about the negatives.
Like, "he doesn't spend enough time with me" or telling you about how he nit picks stupid little things.
And then they stay with that guy.
And then they stay with that guy.
That doesn't mean that they enjoy the negatives.
I'm not talking about abusive men here.
I lived with my friend's nit picking husband. We shared an apartment for a bit. He really is a genuinely nice guy. He's just weird about stupid things. The guys on here would think he's a dumb jock. But I would share an apartment with him again. He's alright. I wouldn't date him. We're too different.
My point is, women see the negatives, but they also like the really good points more. So that dumb guy you see that girl with. Yeah, she knows he's not the brightest, but he's also got some really nice qualities you maybe don't realise are there.
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Lois: "You know, you don't have to stay with a man who treats you that way."
Brenda: "Oh, Jeff's sweet."
Brenda: "You don't see how soft and gentle he hits me when we're alone."
Lois: "Do you hear yourself? He shouldn't be hitting you at all."
Again
I'm not talking about abusive men. Why are you ignoring what people are actually saying.
You're gaslighting.
It's very entertaining.
I wonder who are trolls and who are just crazy?
So we are clear, I am crazy.
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