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11 Nov 2018, 3:54 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:
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Even the Hunchback of Notre Dame was “good enough.”


Maybe not the best example, considering he died alone and miserable (and by suicide), while the object of his extremely unrequited affection is only interested in a married man who's only using her for sex on the side.


At least Quasimodo got the girl in the end.

"they found among all those hideous carcasses two skeletons, one of which held the other in its embrace. One of these skeletons, which was that of a woman, still had a few strips of a garment which had once been white, and around her neck was to be seen a string of adrézarach beads with a little silk bag ornamented with green glass, which was open and empty. These objects were of so little value that the executioner had probably not cared for them. The other, which held this one in a close embrace, was the skeleton of a man. It was noticed that his spinal column was crooked, his head seated on his shoulder blades, and that one leg was shorter than the other. Moreover, there was no fracture of the vertebrae at the nape of the neck, and it was evident that he had not been hanged. Hence, the man to whom it had belonged had come thither and had died there. When they tried to detach the skeleton which he held in his embrace, he fell to dust."


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11 Nov 2018, 4:19 pm

I'm not sure curling up with her executed corpse and dying counts as "getting the girl in the end".


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11 Nov 2018, 4:43 pm

I was being sarcastic.


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11 Nov 2018, 6:10 pm

Sorry. Bad example.

But....unless you’re an unrepentant child molester or somebody who doesn’t bother to take showers or wear clean clothes, you can be desirable for a woman.

Complaining about lack of women...to a woman whom you don’t know well...will lead to rejection.

There are LOTS of nice women on WP.



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11 Nov 2018, 6:21 pm

I just don’t believe most men are destined for lifelong virginity. Even most autistic men.

I was in a sad state at 16. I was just weird. No girl would have me. No guy would be my friend.

But I knew I had to improve myself to increase the possibility of both. I knew I had to stop being a doormat.

How to go about that was unknown. I had no mentors. I relied on guys on TV and in books in trying to formulate a better personality.

I also had to know that I was a viable human being. I set pretty low standards...but they were still better than my state at 16.



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11 Nov 2018, 7:28 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Sorry. Bad example.

But....unless you’re an unrepentant child molester or somebody who doesn’t bother to take showers or wear clean clothes, you can be desirable for a woman.

Complaining about lack of women...to a woman whom you don’t know well...will lead to rejection.

There are LOTS of nice women on WP.


But they are spread all over the world. The odds of finding one who happens to live down the street from is low.

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I just don’t believe most men are destined for lifelong virginity. Even most autistic men.

I was in a sad state at 16. I was just weird. No girl would have me. No guy would be my friend.

But I knew I had to improve myself to increase the possibility of both. I knew I had to stop being a doormat.

How to go about that was unknown. I had no mentors. I relied on guys on TV and in books in trying to formulate a better personality.

I also had to know that I was a viable human being. I set pretty low standards...but they were still better than my state at 16.


I'm not 16. I'm 36.

At this point my biggest problem is the fact that there are no single women left where I live.



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11 Nov 2018, 7:45 pm

That’s not your fault ... that’s just bad luck.



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11 Nov 2018, 9:34 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Sorry. Bad example.

But....unless you’re an unrepentant child molester or somebody who doesn’t bother to take showers or wear clean clothes, you can be desirable for a woman.

Complaining about lack of women...to a woman whom you don’t know well...will lead to rejection.

There are LOTS of nice women on WP.

Nope there’s a standard one must meet and if you don’t you're undateable



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11 Nov 2018, 9:53 pm

I hated sitting on my own at lunch time, going to the library or hiding away at home playing video games. I was the boring guy that rarely spoke to anyone at school but got bullied relentlessly and I hit back at them and used my size advantage over my often smaller bullies. It is weird that most people who bullied me at school were smaller than me. It was a sad, lonely miserable, isolated existence that still continues on. If a guy struggles to make friends with his own gender he has minimal chance with dating. Women require social proofing and prefer popular outgoing guys that fit into social situations. Women do not want the introverted, socially awkward, outcast guy!



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12 Nov 2018, 12:49 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Sorry. Bad example.

But....unless you’re an unrepentant child molester or somebody who doesn’t bother to take showers or wear clean clothes, you can be desirable for a woman.

Complaining about lack of women...to a woman whom you don’t know well...will lead to rejection.

There are LOTS of nice women on WP.



This guy created a fake tinder profile claiming to be a child molester and still got matches because of his hot looks:

https://cheezburger.com/3017733/guy-con ... ng-results

Tinder has exposed a lot of instincts.

Sadly, there are some truths in what aspie82 is saying; looks is now the most important factor no matter how others would deny it.



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12 Nov 2018, 1:46 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Sorry. Bad example.

But....unless you’re an unrepentant child molester or somebody who doesn’t bother to take showers or wear clean clothes, you can be desirable for a woman.

Complaining about lack of women...to a woman whom you don’t know well...will lead to rejection.

There are LOTS of nice women on WP.



This guy created a fake tinder profile claiming to be a child molester and still got matches because of his hot looks:

https://cheezburger.com/3017733/guy-con ... ng-results

Tinder has exposed a lot of instincts.

Sadly, there are some truths in what aspie82 is saying; looks is now the most important factor no matter how others would deny it.


Of course, you're assuming that the standards of women on Tinder apply to the standards of the majority of women. Considering how few women actually bother with online dating, I'd take these tests with a grain of salt.



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12 Nov 2018, 2:24 am

I was a shrimp who got bullied. At least Aspie19828 is tall. Being tall is a definite advantage. Never had that advantage. Still just under 5 foot 5.

I am of the belief that self-created and imposed IDEOLOGY is some of the cause of the trouble men have in getting a date with a woman.



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12 Nov 2018, 2:34 am

Sabreclaw wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Sorry. Bad example.

But....unless you’re an unrepentant child molester or somebody who doesn’t bother to take showers or wear clean clothes, you can be desirable for a woman.

Complaining about lack of women...to a woman whom you don’t know well...will lead to rejection.

There are LOTS of nice women on WP.



This guy created a fake tinder profile claiming to be a child molester and still got matches because of his hot looks:

https://cheezburger.com/3017733/guy-con ... ng-results

Tinder has exposed a lot of instincts.

Sadly, there are some truths in what aspie82 is saying; looks is now the most important factor no matter how others would deny it.


Of course, you're assuming that the standards of women on Tinder apply to the standards of the majority of women. Considering how few women actually bother with online dating, I'd take these tests with a grain of salt.


Tinder is the most popular dating site in human history, it has 'normalized' online dating, it's the first dating app where you hear people talking about in outings; you never heard people talking about using okcupid or pof, these were unpopular taboo stuff used by a minority who were too ashamed to admit using them. Tinder on the other hand doesn't have this stigma for some reason.

Tinder has 50 million people while okstupid has only 4 millions. So I don't buy into the "tinder is a biased sample" argument, it's not that biased as you think.



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12 Nov 2018, 2:48 am

I have been watching BasedShaman on Youtube and he loves to troll and make fun of us incels. Normies(Chad, Staceys and Beckys) agree with him but incels like me totally disagree with his views. Following BasedShamans or any PUA advice will never lead to anything If you are an incel and over 21 there is no way back, we are incels for a reason. Incels do not stop being incels from following wrong advice from females or Normal males like Based Shaman, we are incels for a reason.



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12 Nov 2018, 3:06 am

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A quick Google search for "involuntary celibacy" will reveal several articles, all of which labeling all men who are unable to find love as violent misogynists who believe women owe us sex. Articles with titles like: "How involuntary celibates are dangerous in their desires", deeming myself and others like me "dangerous" for nothing more than lamenting our inability to obtain the same kind of affection the rest of society takes for granted; or "Unfuckable women don't go on killing sprees", implying that every unfuckable man does precisely that. These articles cite the grand total of the two (count 'em, TWO!) men to have ever carried out terrorist attacks motivated by chronic involuntary celibacy, in addition to a handful of anonymous Internet posts, as "evidence" that all men in the unfortunate position of being undatable collectively comprise a hate group.
As if it is not enough that I have to cope with the fact that I will always be alone, unwanted, and unloved; society has to add insult to injury by labeling me a violent misogynistic psychopath.
And people wonder why I think so often about suicide...


This is just a name who was re-signified to a more specific meaning than the literal one. When people talk about incels they aren't talking about normal guys who just happen to not have sex, but to the guys who subscribe to the an specific discourse at their virtual communities. The term was coined firstly by a woman, but it's normal (but tricky) that things get new significances in different contexts.

Even if there is "only" two episodes of mass violence carried by guys who follow/justified this ideology, it should be a signal about how unhealthy those communities can be. Instead of getting offended by it, the good people who happened to join it should rethink what could be underneath their discourses.

Men who are chronically single/without sex aren't necessarily evil, or a hate group. But Incels got a more specific meaning than that. It shouldn't be taken as personal attack, but it should be an invitation to reflection.



Also, it really annoys me how unfuckable woman are so invisible that people thinks it's something exclusive to men.



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12 Nov 2018, 3:10 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Sabreclaw wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Sorry. Bad example.

But....unless you’re an unrepentant child molester or somebody who doesn’t bother to take showers or wear clean clothes, you can be desirable for a woman.

Complaining about lack of women...to a woman whom you don’t know well...will lead to rejection.

There are LOTS of nice women on WP.



This guy created a fake tinder profile claiming to be a child molester and still got matches because of his hot looks:

https://cheezburger.com/3017733/guy-con ... ng-results

Tinder has exposed a lot of instincts.

Sadly, there are some truths in what aspie82 is saying; looks is now the most important factor no matter how others would deny it.


Of course, you're assuming that the standards of women on Tinder apply to the standards of the majority of women. Considering how few women actually bother with online dating, I'd take these tests with a grain of salt.


Tinder is the most popular dating site in human history, it has 'normalized' online dating, it's the first dating app where you hear people talking about in outings; you never heard people talking about using okcupid or pof, these were unpopular taboo stuff used by a minority who were too ashamed to admit using them. Tinder on the other hand doesn't have this stigma for some reason.

Tinder has 50 million people while okstupid has only 4 millions. So I don't buy into the "tinder is a biased sample" argument, it's not that biased as you think.


None of the messages included any mention to his claimed crime, it could be that he mention some joke about crime like the girls did about stealing chocolate or gum and then changed it to "show" his purpose. even if tinder was a valid sample, this experience has no value.

it's just one more biased example for frustrate guys who like to bash on woman.