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13 Jun 2013, 9:43 pm

^^^It was the only place in school that was nice,I never played sick on library day or a field trip :lol:

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13 Jun 2013, 9:45 pm

[quote="Misslizard"]^^^It was the only place in school that was nice,I never played sick on library day or a field trip :lol: [/quote

I understand too. I used to love to hide out in the library. Of course, I'm proud of my natural intellectual curiosity.

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13 Jun 2013, 9:53 pm

^^^The only bad occurrence was when a girl with the same name as me had overdue books.When they asked if they were mine,I was shocked.They were girly romance books.Once I showed them my signature they were convinced it was not me.But I was offended,why would they think I was reading that sappy stuff! :lol:

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13 Jun 2013, 10:04 pm

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I understand. I'm guessing that it's because they didn't know you. We do make mistakes despite trying not to.

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13 Jun 2013, 10:14 pm

^^^^It was a fair sized school,they were really nice about it.And we did laugh about my checkout list compared to hers.Mine was mythology,Tolkien,Clark,Heinlein and books on the supernatural.

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13 Jun 2013, 10:28 pm

Libraries. I love my Kindle, my Wikipedia, and my Gutenberg Project ebooks. And I love saving trees.

Chivalry is a lot like paper books. It damages the planet, and we don't have any need for it anymore.

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13 Jun 2013, 10:37 pm

^^^^There are plenty of old books and books printed on renewable resources.The difference is holding the book,smelling the sweet tannin smell that books have.And no glare,I have light sensitive eyes my tablet dries my eyes out.Even with the brightness turned all the way down.
Considering that libraries have been a storehouse for knowledge for the whole of human history means you should respect them.
And how is a poor kid going to afford a kindle?Are you going to buy them one?What about the elderly who are not computer literate?

But I do think that most magazines are a waste of paper and ink.

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13 Jun 2013, 10:42 pm

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Ok, first your tablet is probably a backlit tablet not designed for reading. The kindle paperwhite is just like a regular book, possibly with even less glare. The smell is something you have been conditioned to like. Kids raised without it would learn to enjoy the smell of something else.

The horse was the engine of war for the whole of human history under tanks and machine guns put that idea to rest in WWI.

What I'm trying to say is that just because something has been a certain way for a certain number of years does not mean it is inevitable. As with physical libraries and horses, the same goes for chivalry, which has only existed since the Middle Ages and only in Europe.

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13 Jun 2013, 11:11 pm

^^^^Curling up on the couch during the rain with a good book is a comfort.
And small children can break expensive devices.
I don't know about the lighting on my tablet,it's an iPad.
I still have the children's books that my kids enjoyed,I love the scribbles in them.

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14 Jun 2013, 8:27 am

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Misslizard wrote:

As with physical libraries and horses, the same goes for chivalry, which has only existed since the Middle Ages and only in Europe.

http://books.google.com.lb/books?id=3ZQ ... 651&edge=0

http://books.google.com.lb/books?id=3ZQ ... 409&edge=0

by Antarah ibn Shaddad - 6th century AD, pre-Islamic Arabia

The oldest European chivalry record goes back to 11th century.

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Biography

Antarah was born in Najd (northern Saudi Arabia). He was the son of Shaddad, a well-respected member of the Arabian tribe of Banu Abs, his mother was named Zabibah, an Ethiopian woman, whom Shaddad had enslaved after a tribal war. The tribe neglected Antara at first, and he grew up in servitude. Although it was fairly obvious that Shaddad was his father. He was considered one of the "Arab crows" (Al-aghribah Al-'Arab) because of his jet black complexion. Antara gained attention and respect for himself by his remarkable personal qualities and courage in battle, excelling as an accomplished poet and a mighty warrior. He earned his freedom after one tribe invaded Banu Abs, so his father said to Him: "Antara fight with the warriors". Then he looked at his father in resentment and said: "The slave doesn't know how to invade or how to defend, but the slave is only good for milking goats and serving his masters". Then his father said: "Defend your tribe and you are free", then Antarah fought and expelled the invading tribes. The way Antarah responded to his father in Arabian culture does not mean that he was afraid of fighting, rather that when Antarah's father did not acknowledge him for all those years, Antarah was aiming to get his freedom and to be acknowledged by his society, and he earned that.

Antarah fell in love with his cousin Abla, and sought to marry her despite his status as a slave. To secure allowance to marry, Antarah had to face challenges including getting a special kind of camel from the northern Arabian kingdom of al-No'man Ibn al-Munthir Ibn Ma' al-Sama'.

Antarah took part in the great war between the related tribes of Abs and Dhubyan, which began over a contest of horses and was named after them the war of Dahis and Ghabra. He died in a fight against the tribe of Tai.

Antarah's poetry is well preserved, and often talks of chivalrous values, courage and heroism in battle, as well as his love for Abla. It was immortalized when one of his poems was included in the Hanged Poems. The poetry's historical and cultural importance stems from its detailed descriptions of battles, armour, weapons, horses, desert and other themes from his time.

The Russian composer Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov wrote his Symphony No. 2 based on the legend of Antar.

One of the seven clans (tribes) of Bethlehem is called the Anatreh, named after Antarah, and in past centuries acted as guardians of the church of the nativity.

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14 Jun 2013, 9:12 am

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Oh BOO treat me chivalrously!!

Meems, for Boo, or anybody else, to be chivalrous to you means you will have to pretend you are a lady.

Good luck. It sounds as if you need it.

I didn't notice that post before but....

And what if a girl doesn't behave like a typical Lady, am I supposed to slap her, call her names or something?

Your chivalrous values seem to be very conditional.

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14 Jun 2013, 9:17 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

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Oh BOO treat me chivalrously!!

Meems, for Boo, or anybody else, to be chivalrous to you means you will have to pretend you are a lady.

Good luck. It sounds as if you need it.

In Texas, it's customary to be a ridiculous as*hole to women who don't meet one's standards of being a "lady" so he's probably not nearly as chivalrous as he is pretending to be.

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14 Jun 2013, 9:52 am

The literature was beautiful Boo,my daughter is named from a famous love poem,the man in the poem is Manju.

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14 Jun 2013, 12:22 pm

meems wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Thelibrarian wrote:

meems wrote:

Oh BOO treat me chivalrously!!

Meems, for Boo, or anybody else, to be chivalrous to you means you will have to pretend you are a lady.

Good luck. It sounds as if you need it.

In Texas, it's customary to be a ridiculous as*hole to women who don't meet one's standards of being a "lady" so he's probably not nearly as chivalrous as he is pretending to be.

Based on his definition he is........

He said it himself, you don't act like a proper lady because you choose not to stubbornely hang on to outdated gender roles, therefore you don't deserve to be treated chivalrisly. Conversely, what if I wanted to be identified as a woman (and acted like a "proper lady"), would I get special treatment under his chivalry doctrine? Almost certainly not........

Seeing as how modern science has identified gender and sexuality as a spectrum, It seems as if it's only a matter of time before social evolution catches up (it's already started to.) People who continue to cling to these gendernormative expectations and gender based concepts like chivalry are just going to fall more behind.

Once again, another reason why "the golden rule" make chivalry obsolete and insulting......... The golden rule can apply in every situation. As Librarian all but stated in his attempted insult, chivalry can only apply if both people are fulfilling their "proper gender rolls."

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14 Jun 2013, 12:35 pm

@ Apple:
In my experience, Bi-girls are the most fun to date. Chances are you won't face as much pressure to be manly and assertive. The girl I'm seeing even did up my nails gun metal grey yesterday and is taking me to a drag ball as her date next week. She finds me exploring my queer side to be quite hot! I've known for a while that I'm mildly bi-sexual (though I prefer women) so it's nice to have a partner who encourages some exploration.

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14 Jun 2013, 12:56 pm

Geekonychus wrote:

meems wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Thelibrarian wrote:

meems wrote:

Oh BOO treat me chivalrously!!

Meems, for Boo, or anybody else, to be chivalrous to you means you will have to pretend you are a lady.

Good luck. It sounds as if you need it.

In Texas, it's customary to be a ridiculous as*hole to women who don't meet one's standards of being a "lady" so he's probably not nearly as chivalrous as he is pretending to be.

Of course, only an indecent and unworthy "liberal" would think you should treat all people with politeness and use manners in all social interaction.

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