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The_Face_of_Boo
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Thing is, I am against political correctness and safe spaces where no one can be offended, but I do believe on the idea of (semi-)civil discussion. I'm sure you'd agree with that.
In this case, yeah your entitled to your opinion, but controversial opinion does not equal slander/hate
It's a matter of "I don't agree with gay marriage, I am opposed to homosexuality" vs. "F*ck those f-gots and their gay mariage"
The SJWs would still be offended by the first one even if it invites civil discussion.
Civility means niether over sensitive types or overaggressive types making Issue with the discussion
Theres definitely a big difference between civil discussion and PCness.
Reddit is relatively civil aside from the occasional troll, WP is PC SJW land, and good ol 4chan is the other extreme - very aggressive, politically incorrect and uncivilness.
How is WP SJW land?
And I have to wonder why some people stick around here, if you think the vast majority of users on this site are over-sensative cry baby SJWs? Hell might as well promote it as the new stereotype for people with aspergers and on the autism spectrum.
WP is defo SJW land. But I have to say this for WP, it's not not even remotely as bad as it was two years ago. There have been some especially brutal feminists here. At least two I know about were apparently banned while two or three almost actually worth talking to left on their own. Even at the current SJW level, WP really isn't all that bad.
Likewise, women-haters and extremist MRAs got kicked out too.
But yeah, WP was never as bad as Red-pill and other bla bla communities - it was exaggeratedly pictured badly by some members (some of the banned ones too) ; I recall in a thread started by Alex I have listed the first 2 pages of the latest threads back then, so they were like 20-30 threads, and only one thread out of those was misogynist and it was locked as it should be.
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Even if you skim at the first 2 pages now, there's only one thread questionably mansplaining : "Don't enable womanizers" ; and one is woman hating: "Feminists, you are all rapists!" <--- and this one got locked.
It is worth to note that most male respondents didn't agree with the thread.
And shallow =/= sexist, threads like "Any men on here prefer blondes?" or " dating the really attractive ones?" are not sexist, women can create threads like "Any women on here prefer blonde men?" or " Any chance dating the really attractive men?" with no problem.
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Thing is, I am against political correctness and safe spaces where no one can be offended, but I do believe on the idea of (semi-)civil discussion. I'm sure you'd agree with that.
In this case, yeah your entitled to your opinion, but controversial opinion does not equal slander/hate
It's a matter of "I don't agree with gay marriage, I am opposed to homosexuality" vs. "F*ck those f-gots and their gay mariage"
The SJWs would still be offended by the first one even if it invites civil discussion.
Civility means niether over sensitive types or overaggressive types making Issue with the discussion
Theres definitely a big difference between civil discussion and PCness.
Reddit is relatively civil aside from the occasional troll, WP is PC SJW land, and good ol 4chan is the other extreme - very aggressive, politically incorrect and uncivilness.
How is WP SJW land?
And I have to wonder why some people stick around here, if you think the vast majority of users on this site are over-sensative cry baby SJWs? Hell might as well promote it as the new stereotype for people with aspergers and on the autism spectrum.
WP is defo SJW land. But I have to say this for WP, it's not not even remotely as bad as it was two years ago. There have been some especially brutal feminists here. At least two I know about were apparently banned while two or three almost actually worth talking to left on their own. Even at the current SJW level, WP really isn't all that bad.
So because there have from time to time been problems with aggressive SJW posters, that means the website in its entirety is SJW land? To me saying that seems more to indicate a majority of posters here are SJWs...which I certainly do not think is the case.
Also though it is an overused term, and I suspect quite a few people will use it even to refer to people who are just aware of and pay attention to current social issues, rather than specifically people who want to take an extreme approach to address them.
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Thing is, I am against political correctness and safe spaces where no one can be offended, but I do believe on the idea of (semi-)civil discussion. I'm sure you'd agree with that.
In this case, yeah your entitled to your opinion, but controversial opinion does not equal slander/hate
It's a matter of "I don't agree with gay marriage, I am opposed to homosexuality" vs. "F*ck those f-gots and their gay mariage"
The SJWs would still be offended by the first one even if it invites civil discussion.
Civility means niether over sensitive types or overaggressive types making Issue with the discussion
Theres definitely a big difference between civil discussion and PCness.
Reddit is relatively civil aside from the occasional troll, WP is PC SJW land, and good ol 4chan is the other extreme - very aggressive, politically incorrect and uncivilness.
How is WP SJW land?
And I have to wonder why some people stick around here, if you think the vast majority of users on this site are over-sensative cry baby SJWs? Hell might as well promote it as the new stereotype for people with aspergers and on the autism spectrum.
WP is defo SJW land. But I have to say this for WP, it's not not even remotely as bad as it was two years ago. There have been some especially brutal feminists here. At least two I know about were apparently banned while two or three almost actually worth talking to left on their own. Even at the current SJW level, WP really isn't all that bad.
So because there have from time to time been problems with aggressive SJW posters, that means the website in its entirety is SJW land? To me saying that seems more to indicate a majority of posters here are SJWs...which I certainly do not think is the case.
Also though it is an overused term, and I suspect quite a few people will use it even to refer to people who are just aware of and pay attention to current social issues, rather than specifically people who want to take an extreme approach to address them.
First of all, you're leading off with a red herring, but I'm going to let that go and share my opinion and what happened to me on here.
I'm not in the habit of criticizing this site, its owner, or the mods, so I'm going to make this post and drop the matter. It's the only way I've survived here for so long. WP is like that by its nature, by its policies, and by the way policies are enforced. In many, MANY ways that's a good thing because many of us (myself included) feel marginalized by others and are in genuine need of a safe space. WP has certainly been beneficial to me and I want to contribute positively to the WP community.
I honestly have no beef with anyone.
What DID upset me was when I used to frequent PPR and was threatened (by mods) for expressing certain unpopular views. I've never been offended by anyone, I just saw it as debating one side and offering counterpoint. But apparently some people were beyond offended and I was approached by mods. On another incident, still in PPR, I was playing along with another user. Nobody criticized his remarks, so I figured a lesser/opposite response was harmless. Oddly enough, I was once again approached by a diff mod while my opponent, who was much more offensive than I'd been, was left untouched. To prove a point, I followed a (mod's) suggestion and reported the other user on two occasions afterwards. About that time, there were about 4 or so VERY vocal feminists who persisted in abusive behavior towards myself and others. I did everything I could within reason to be civil towards these users. Meanwhile, I stuck to defending my theological views. I'd get reported for being nice to feminists, reported for discussing Christianity... But, funny thing, my opponents could do no wrong. I'd bring this up with mods and the stock response "We understand you are upset. This is nothing personal. But..."
I stayed around for a while after that, mostly lurking, posting occasionally to L&D, focused on trying to stay positive and helpful. Over time, the certain members I referenced either got themselves banned or got sick of mods actually acting fairly for a change (although in their defense they were encountering more members who refused to put up with all the echo-chamber rhetoric so many feminists are fond of). As far as I was concerned, the damage was done and I'd really lost faith in the whole thing.
WP is NOT friendly towards diverse ideas. Not really. It is SELECTIVELY friendly towards ideas popular among pseudo-intellectuals, and people with views like mine need not apply.
Do I get upset about it? Sure, maybe a little when I get "official warnings" when I've really done nothing wrong. Beyond that, no, and I've lost no sleep over it. Life got intensely busy and I stayed off WP for over a year. And from what I can see, little has changed. Like I said, there's no comparison between WP now and WP then, since certain members who made life difficult are no longer here. But the conditions and policies are no different. We still have the same conditions that could potentially encourage others to display that same abusive behavior. I still cannot discuss things I'd like to, and my views are still criticized while I'm not allowed to defend them or challenge criticism.
Currently we still have a few echoing strains of that in L&D in the form of all men are losers and all women are angels. I still have faith in L&D because at least now we CAN complain about women via our dating and relationship woes. As I very well know, this could change at any time (and nearly did, as I recall). Should that happen, I guess I'll scamper over to The Haven. I'm not much for blanket affirmation and validation, but so be it.
Now, since no one likes a complainer, I am DONE. That's my story. Respond if you like, but understand this isn't really something that's supposed to be discussed in WP and I can't reply without stepping way over some policy line (and may have already). Time to get back to something RELEVANT...
Thing is, I am against political correctness and safe spaces where no one can be offended, but I do believe on the idea of (semi-)civil discussion. I'm sure you'd agree with that.
In this case, yeah your entitled to your opinion, but controversial opinion does not equal slander/hate
It's a matter of "I don't agree with gay marriage, I am opposed to homosexuality" vs. "F*ck those f-gots and their gay mariage"
The SJWs would still be offended by the first one even if it invites civil discussion.
Civility means niether over sensitive types or overaggressive types making Issue with the discussion
Theres definitely a big difference between civil discussion and PCness.
Reddit is relatively civil aside from the occasional troll, WP is PC SJW land, and good ol 4chan is the other extreme - very aggressive, politically incorrect and uncivilness.
How is WP SJW land?
And I have to wonder why some people stick around here, if you think the vast majority of users on this site are over-sensative cry baby SJWs? Hell might as well promote it as the new stereotype for people with aspergers and on the autism spectrum.
WP is defo SJW land. But I have to say this for WP, it's not not even remotely as bad as it was two years ago. There have been some especially brutal feminists here. At least two I know about were apparently banned while two or three almost actually worth talking to left on their own. Even at the current SJW level, WP really isn't all that bad.
So because there have from time to time been problems with aggressive SJW posters, that means the website in its entirety is SJW land? To me saying that seems more to indicate a majority of posters here are SJWs...which I certainly do not think is the case.
Also though it is an overused term, and I suspect quite a few people will use it even to refer to people who are just aware of and pay attention to current social issues, rather than specifically people who want to take an extreme approach to address them.
First of all, you're leading off with a red herring, but I'm going to let that go and share my opinion and what happened to me on here.
I'm not in the habit of criticizing this site, its owner, or the mods, so I'm going to make this post and drop the matter. It's the only way I've survived here for so long. WP is like that by its nature, by its policies, and by the way policies are enforced. In many, MANY ways that's a good thing because many of us (myself included) feel marginalized by others and are in genuine need of a safe space. WP has certainly been beneficial to me and I want to contribute positively to the WP community.
I honestly have no beef with anyone.
What DID upset me was when I used to frequent PPR and was threatened (by mods) for expressing certain unpopular views. I've never been offended by anyone, I just saw it as debating one side and offering counterpoint. But apparently some people were beyond offended and I was approached by mods. On another incident, still in PPR, I was playing along with another user. Nobody criticized his remarks, so I figured a lesser/opposite response was harmless. Oddly enough, I was once again approached by a diff mod while my opponent, who was much more offensive than I'd been, was left untouched. To prove a point, I followed a (mod's) suggestion and reported the other user on two occasions afterwards. About that time, there were about 4 or so VERY vocal feminists who persisted in abusive behavior towards myself and others. I did everything I could within reason to be civil towards these users. Meanwhile, I stuck to defending my theological views. I'd get reported for being nice to feminists, reported for discussing Christianity... But, funny thing, my opponents could do no wrong. I'd bring this up with mods and the stock response "We understand you are upset. This is nothing personal. But..."
I stayed around for a while after that, mostly lurking, posting occasionally to L&D, focused on trying to stay positive and helpful. Over time, the certain members I referenced either got themselves banned or got sick of mods actually acting fairly for a change (although in their defense they were encountering more members who refused to put up with all the echo-chamber rhetoric so many feminists are fond of). As far as I was concerned, the damage was done and I'd really lost faith in the whole thing.
WP is NOT friendly towards diverse ideas. Not really. It is SELECTIVELY friendly towards ideas popular among pseudo-intellectuals, and people with views like mine need not apply.
Do I get upset about it? Sure, maybe a little when I get "official warnings" when I've really done nothing wrong. Beyond that, no, and I've lost no sleep over it. Life got intensely busy and I stayed off WP for over a year. And from what I can see, little has changed. Like I said, there's no comparison between WP now and WP then, since certain members who made life difficult are no longer here. But the conditions and policies are no different. We still have the same conditions that could potentially encourage others to display that same abusive behavior. I still cannot discuss things I'd like to, and my views are still criticized while I'm not allowed to defend them or challenge criticism.
Currently we still have a few echoing strains of that in L&D in the form of all men are losers and all women are angels. I still have faith in L&D because at least now we CAN complain about women via our dating and relationship woes. As I very well know, this could change at any time (and nearly did, as I recall). Should that happen, I guess I'll scamper over to The Haven. I'm not much for blanket affirmation and validation, but so be it.
Now, since no one likes a complainer, I am DONE. That's my story. Respond if you like, but understand this isn't really something that's supposed to be discussed in WP and I can't reply without stepping way over some policy line (and may have already). Time to get back to something RELEVANT...
Really? I see alot of women are too picky and that women only like men for their jobs. (Just an honest view).
Literally no one has said women are angels. You won't find women calling women angels, we are completely aware of how bitchy women can be. At the same time we have a right to express from a woman's viewpoint.
The_Face_of_Boo
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Thing is, I am against political correctness and safe spaces where no one can be offended, but I do believe on the idea of (semi-)civil discussion. I'm sure you'd agree with that.
In this case, yeah your entitled to your opinion, but controversial opinion does not equal slander/hate
It's a matter of "I don't agree with gay marriage, I am opposed to homosexuality" vs. "F*ck those f-gots and their gay mariage"
The SJWs would still be offended by the first one even if it invites civil discussion.
Civility means niether over sensitive types or overaggressive types making Issue with the discussion
Theres definitely a big difference between civil discussion and PCness.
Reddit is relatively civil aside from the occasional troll, WP is PC SJW land, and good ol 4chan is the other extreme - very aggressive, politically incorrect and uncivilness.
How is WP SJW land?
And I have to wonder why some people stick around here, if you think the vast majority of users on this site are over-sensative cry baby SJWs? Hell might as well promote it as the new stereotype for people with aspergers and on the autism spectrum.
WP is defo SJW land. But I have to say this for WP, it's not not even remotely as bad as it was two years ago. There have been some especially brutal feminists here. At least two I know about were apparently banned while two or three almost actually worth talking to left on their own. Even at the current SJW level, WP really isn't all that bad.
So because there have from time to time been problems with aggressive SJW posters, that means the website in its entirety is SJW land? To me saying that seems more to indicate a majority of posters here are SJWs...which I certainly do not think is the case.
Also though it is an overused term, and I suspect quite a few people will use it even to refer to people who are just aware of and pay attention to current social issues, rather than specifically people who want to take an extreme approach to address them.
First of all, you're leading off with a red herring, but I'm going to let that go and share my opinion and what happened to me on here.
I'm not in the habit of criticizing this site, its owner, or the mods, so I'm going to make this post and drop the matter. It's the only way I've survived here for so long. WP is like that by its nature, by its policies, and by the way policies are enforced. In many, MANY ways that's a good thing because many of us (myself included) feel marginalized by others and are in genuine need of a safe space. WP has certainly been beneficial to me and I want to contribute positively to the WP community.
I honestly have no beef with anyone.
What DID upset me was when I used to frequent PPR and was threatened (by mods) for expressing certain unpopular views. I've never been offended by anyone, I just saw it as debating one side and offering counterpoint. But apparently some people were beyond offended and I was approached by mods. On another incident, still in PPR, I was playing along with another user. Nobody criticized his remarks, so I figured a lesser/opposite response was harmless. Oddly enough, I was once again approached by a diff mod while my opponent, who was much more offensive than I'd been, was left untouched. To prove a point, I followed a (mod's) suggestion and reported the other user on two occasions afterwards. About that time, there were about 4 or so VERY vocal feminists who persisted in abusive behavior towards myself and others. I did everything I could within reason to be civil towards these users. Meanwhile, I stuck to defending my theological views. I'd get reported for being nice to feminists, reported for discussing Christianity... But, funny thing, my opponents could do no wrong. I'd bring this up with mods and the stock response "We understand you are upset. This is nothing personal. But..."
I stayed around for a while after that, mostly lurking, posting occasionally to L&D, focused on trying to stay positive and helpful. Over time, the certain members I referenced either got themselves banned or got sick of mods actually acting fairly for a change (although in their defense they were encountering more members who refused to put up with all the echo-chamber rhetoric so many feminists are fond of). As far as I was concerned, the damage was done and I'd really lost faith in the whole thing.
WP is NOT friendly towards diverse ideas. Not really. It is SELECTIVELY friendly towards ideas popular among pseudo-intellectuals, and people with views like mine need not apply.
Do I get upset about it? Sure, maybe a little when I get "official warnings" when I've really done nothing wrong. Beyond that, no, and I've lost no sleep over it. Life got intensely busy and I stayed off WP for over a year. And from what I can see, little has changed. Like I said, there's no comparison between WP now and WP then, since certain members who made life difficult are no longer here. But the conditions and policies are no different. We still have the same conditions that could potentially encourage others to display that same abusive behavior. I still cannot discuss things I'd like to, and my views are still criticized while I'm not allowed to defend them or challenge criticism.
Currently we still have a few echoing strains of that in L&D in the form of all men are losers and all women are angels. I still have faith in L&D because at least now we CAN complain about women via our dating and relationship woes. As I very well know, this could change at any time (and nearly did, as I recall). Should that happen, I guess I'll scamper over to The Haven. I'm not much for blanket affirmation and validation, but so be it.
Now, since no one likes a complainer, I am DONE. That's my story. Respond if you like, but understand this isn't really something that's supposed to be discussed in WP and I can't reply without stepping way over some policy line (and may have already). Time to get back to something RELEVANT...
Really? I see alot of women are too picky and that women only like men for their jobs. (Just an honest view).
Literally no one has said women are angels. You won't find women calling women angels, we are completely aware of how bitchy women can be. At the same time we have a right to express from a woman's viewpoint.
The worst women-bashing posts I have ever seen on WP were by some female members in the Women's forum section , it was a thread about NT women I recall - they sounded like reddit.
I believe in equality in all sexes... I also totally 'get' why many women are upset at times in certain situations.. However as far as work pay etc that gender gap has pretty much diminished in western society especially over the last 10 or so years.. The reason why many may still feel there is a gender gap is simply down to lifestyle choices... there are many openings in sciences etc but women tend to not want these roles. Women often tend to choose work depending on their own lifestyles... its not that they cant get higher paid jobs but more down to not choosing those jobs... So equal pay in the job market has pretty much now being debunked. However thats not to say some employers will try it on! Again this can happen to both sexes and i have also been victim to such pay schemes in the past being a male. I have been refused holiday pay, have worked jobs where i was supposed to finish at midday but had to work till 5-6pm effectively working 6 hours a day for 6 days extra without pay... I have had women i have never met grab me by the gahoonies for no apparent reason, i have had women be persistent and not being able to take no for an answer and instead of accepting my boundaries they then go out to gaslight you, i have had women 'expect' me to by them drinks in the past when out or pay for their taxi home... the list goes on..
So its not just women that have social gender related issues, men also have similar issues but dont often air those views to other males compared to women... I have spent most of my life in female circles and their is a big difference in how both sexes communicate with each other... This is a subject i could go on for hours about but just wanted to put a few bullet points across... Yes men and women do have different brain functions but the issue we are now having especially with extreme feminism is that men are now often becoming targets for women's own insecurities and in doing so men are becoming more effeminate or have issues with self esteem and depression. I recently had something of a similar nature, i was walking into a shop and opened the door for a lady and offered for her to go ahead, instead of a thank you i got 5 mins of someone giving me an extreme feminist rant in a public place making me feel like absolute shite for doing something i thought was polite and to a point chivalrous... Men are becoming confused in their' male ' roles in society and spitting out feminist rhetoric is only going to cause more issues for men in the long run.. It works BOTH ways, only difference is you dont here males go on half as much as women about rights equality etc!
This video is a good example of that, how women perceive men through ideologies and falling for false literature they take on as fact, what was interesting about the video is that the feminist in question actually went out and actually did some direct research on the matter.. and ohhh boy did she change her mind when she realized what men have to put up with!
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Yeah, it seems it doesn't occur to them that the majority of women they complain about are similar to the women we complain about.
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