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05 Mar 2017, 8:35 pm

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I didn't intend to suggest that most men (or you) wouldn't be fine with a non perfect looking woman nor that most think small breasted women should consider surgery.
I never said you did.
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The questionable part of the add is that it implies anyone less perfect than this doesn't have beach body/shouldn't show their body and I guess/hope the people who criticize it are more worried with that some women (even if there's no rational reason to do so due to an add) will feel ashamed of their body even though it's perfectly fine than that it could make men demand such perfection.
Anyone can show their body at the beach but some people want to show an above average body. If they choose that goal then they must take what steps are necessary.
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It's not unrealistic, unless some women expect to always look like that or some men don't recognize that the pose is part of the reason why this girl looks that perfect. (and I never said women this good looking are unrealistic; just very rare and that it is not possible for most women and for the rest not without investing a huge amounth of time)
I wouldn't expect women to stand like that and I wouldn't expect their ribs to be visible at all times. I think some men know that position and posture can affect the visibility of ribs. Regardless it doesn't make her less attractive in my eyes if her ribs aren't visible.
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Again; I am not complaining about your preferences. I'm just saying that this women even if we just talk about bodies and not faces and hair will be very attractive for more people than your average BMI 18 woman. Thus her body is not the same as the average BMI 18 woman and the average BMI 18 woman can't get such a perfect looking body. Thus that there are not that few slim women doesn't mean the way she looks is reachable for most.
I would not expect a BMI 18 woman to look like that. I would not expect anyone to be perfect. For a BMI 18 woman I would overlook her imperfections and instead focus on the good
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Nothings wrong with that. I never said so and I'm not sure what part of the things I wrote makes you think I did. The ones who complained specifically about men not dating heavier women were others, not me.
I don't think there's anything wrong with having preferences. I neither think there's anything wrong with being attracted to certain people and not to others nor that you can change by will who you are attracted to.
All people choose a partner partly due to genetics unless they're desperate enough to take anyone willing.
True you never said there was anything wrong with having preferences.

I think that desperation is very unattractive.
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Yes; I wasn't talking about your preferences but about why this add isn't worded in the best way (I also don't think adds shouldn't use beautiful models but I think the picture in combination with the wording isn't ideal). I myself am more attracted to slim guys (no; they don't have to be overly muscular) and admitting it, no matter if anyone here thinks that's shallow. Chubby guys are perfectly fine. Some of them are really attractive. I couldn't imagine having sex with a morbidly obese man however. I simply am not physically attracted to them.
My BMI is 19.6 thus it's not a double standard. I'm not expecting men to be less fat than myself just because I'm not into morbidly obese.
Nothing wrong with you not being attracted to obese guys.

Given that you're 23 years old with a BMI of only 19.6 I'm sure you can attract guys who aren't obese (don't get to hung up on acne, as you know some guys aren't bothered by it, as for your personality, I can't find fault with it. You haven't said anything outrageous).

Even if someone was obese I wouldn't call them hypocritical for being physically attracted to thin people. Physical attraction is not always a choice. I would call it hypocritical if they had unrealistic expectations of dating outside of their league.


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05 Mar 2017, 10:41 pm

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I know what you mean but body image can affect people worse then a plate that is to clean. I just worry about young men and women seeing this and thinking that they are lesser for it. I know they shouldnt but it does happen.

It's like the whole thigh gap thing teen girls were starving themselves trying to get it when it's just not possible for some.

That with a mixture of zero exposure to normal bodys he can have terrible effects. Like how guys who watch alot of pon think their penises are below averge because they have only seen stonkers

But if they are so susceptible then it's their problem. They should be helped by having their self-confidence increased, not their paranoias encouraged. That way you'll only make things worse.


If men or women want an ideal body they must work hard to get it. We should all know that goals are attained through hard work, discipline a self-sacrifice, not complaining.

If they want an average body that's their choice but then they shouldn't feel insecure compared to those who worked very hard to attaining peak fitness.


Not everyone can obtain an ideal body no matter how hard they workout. They can obtain some level of physical fitness, but working out will not rid someone of all of their physical imperfections.



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05 Mar 2017, 10:49 pm

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So a healthy weight is now an unrealistic standard?
Yes Boo. A healthy weight is now an unrealistic standard.

See link below
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/13/sadiq-khan-moves-to-ban-body-shaming-ads-from-london-transport

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Apperantly the woman in the ad above set an "unrealistic body image".

She does not look underweight to me :roll:

I wonder if Mayor Sadiq Khan was bribed by McDonald's to get those ads taken down :lol:


Because the woman's body in that add is unachivable by most and is heavily posed and photoshopped.

Just look at this woman
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Yes. She's nice. I wouldn't call her fat. It's interesting to note that the girl in the ad doesn't keep her arms away from her body or smile. She doesn't need to twist her body to the side or wear black.

As for her body being "unachievable" I see many women with that kind of body in the train station every morning. I also see a lot of women who are a lot slimmer than her.

I assure you that the women I look at in real life have not been photoshopped.


I used to go to the gym about 5 days per week and I never looked like the woman in the ad, nor could I. For one, this lady is either a mesomorph or ectomorph and I'm an endomorph, so we have entirely different mass distribution patterns.



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05 Mar 2017, 10:53 pm

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If The Red Pill forum on Reddit is to be believed, there is incredible competition for non-obese women. And because of the inflated attention from online dating, even the obese ones expect to be able to attract a healthy weight man. If you ascribe to the idea that you ought to realistically stay within your "league" for dating, the unhappy-making truth is that having autism as a man puts you in the same league as being overweight does for a woman.


They're not to be believed. I'm not obese and I don't have men chasing after me. Also, I don't believe overweight women are less likely to be single. But there is a subclass of men who, regardless of how they look, want centerfold women, and become incredibly frustrated when they can't obtain them.



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06 Mar 2017, 1:44 am

No matter what you do, you can't change your body type, height, face ect. but that shouldn't be an excuse to not take care of one self. Some people will have more "ideal" bodies than others, but there is still not a single person out there who won't look better at a low body fat percentage in my opinion.



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06 Mar 2017, 1:47 am

If a woman is decently groomed, treats people decently, doesn't see "microaggressions" in everything people say, is able to "agree to disagree" at times, and doesn't expect men to be as "elegant" as women, I feel she would be desirable to most men--even if she's a bit overweight.

Men, by and large, aren't stupid enough to desire only "centerfold" type women. They know there's more to a desirable woman than just mere looks. And they know that most women don't care too much if a guy has a six-pack, or even much muscle definition. They want an emotionally strong man whose shoulders are strong enough for when a lady wants to sleep on them on a train or something.



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06 Mar 2017, 1:56 am

Chronos wrote:
Also, I don't believe overweight women are less likely to be single. But there is a subclass of men who, regardless of how they look, want centerfold women, and become incredibly frustrated when they can't obtain them.

Ok, so you agree that overweight women are more likely to be single which is what OP is saying?

There's a subclass of people with unrealistic standards because people tend to idealize love. They think that there's someone perfect for them, but there isn't. They think that they can't we with anyone else other than their special ONE, but that special one doesn't exist.



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06 Mar 2017, 2:06 am

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Also, I don't believe overweight women are less likely to be single. But there is a subclass of men who, regardless of how they look, want centerfold women, and become incredibly frustrated when they can't obtain them.

Ok, so you agree that overweight women are more likely to be single which is what OP is saying?

There's a subclass of people with unrealistic standards because people tend to idealize love. They think that there's someone perfect for them, but there isn't. They think that they can't we with anyone else other than their special ONE, but that special one doesn't exist.


I wouldn't even call it a subclass of people. The "romance fantasy" seems like a common reason for suffering and depression in the modern human. (imo)



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06 Mar 2017, 2:25 am

I think what's offensive in that ad is the message 'are you body beach ready'; meaning as if you are not like her then you are not worth to be on the beach.



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06 Mar 2017, 4:53 am

Chronos wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
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I know what you mean but body image can affect people worse then a plate that is to clean. I just worry about young men and women seeing this and thinking that they are lesser for it. I know they shouldnt but it does happen.

It's like the whole thigh gap thing teen girls were starving themselves trying to get it when it's just not possible for some.

That with a mixture of zero exposure to normal bodys he can have terrible effects. Like how guys who watch alot of pon think their penises are below averge because they have only seen stonkers
But if they are so susceptible then it's their problem. They should be helped by having their self-confidence increased, not their paranoias encouraged. That way you'll only make things worse.
If men or women want an ideal body they must work hard to get it. We should all know that goals are attained through hard work, discipline a self-sacrifice, not complaining.

If they want an average body that's their choice but then they shouldn't feel insecure compared to those who worked very hard to attaining peak fitness.
Not everyone can obtain an ideal body no matter how hard they workout. They can obtain some level of physical fitness, but working out will not rid someone of all of their physical imperfections.
I know. I already said that earlier. While all people can improve to become perfect you have to be an ectomorph or mesomorph to begin with. As I said in an earlier post, to select a partner with the perfect body is to select one with the genes that allow for a perfect body as well as the correct diet and exercise.
Chronos wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
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RetroGamer87 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
So a healthy weight is now an unrealistic standard?
Yes Boo. A healthy weight is now an unrealistic standard.

See link below
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/13/sadiq-khan-moves-to-ban-body-shaming-ads-from-london-transport

Image

Apperantly the woman in the ad above set an "unrealistic body image".

She does not look underweight to me :roll:

I wonder if Mayor Sadiq Khan was bribed by McDonald's to get those ads taken down :lol:
Because the woman's body in that add is unachivable by most and is heavily posed and photoshopped.

Just look at this woman
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Yes. She's nice. I wouldn't call her fat. It's interesting to note that the girl in the ad doesn't keep her arms away from her body or smile. She doesn't need to twist her body to the side or wear black.

As for her body being "unachievable" I see many women with that kind of body in the train station every morning. I also see a lot of women who are a lot slimmer than her.

I assure you that the women I look at in real life have not been photoshopped.
I used to go to the gym about 5 days per week and I never looked like the woman in the ad, nor could I. For one, this lady is either a mesomorph or ectomorph and I'm an endomorph, so we have entirely different mass distribution patterns.
Yes. If you're an endomorph you'll never look like that lady.

But an endomorph need not be 300 lb (not saying you are). With portion control and exercise an endomorph can be stocky, rather than obese. I'd gladly date a stocky endomorph but not a 300 lb because unless she has some rare disease it's like she's not even trying to control herself.


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06 Mar 2017, 5:17 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
So a healthy weight is now an unrealistic standard?
Yes Boo. A healthy weight is now an unrealistic standard.

See link below
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/13/sadiq-khan-moves-to-ban-body-shaming-ads-from-london-transport

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Apperantly the woman in the ad above set an "unrealistic body image".

She does not look underweight to me :roll:

I wonder if Mayor Sadiq Khan was bribed by McDonald's to get those ads taken down :lol:
I can understand the jealousy :lol: That woman's body is absolutely perfect. wow.
I'm jelous too. I want a body like that.

Not for myself, I want a body like that lying beside me :lol:

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My brother is overweight and his girlfriend is a stunning woman who is a size 4 (size 2 in US).
Now I'm green with envy :o
Did this one cause an uproar too?

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I don't think there's anything wrong with that picture. Using the same standard, I also don't think there's anything wrong with the picture of the girl above.


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06 Mar 2017, 6:23 am

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If a woman is decently groomed, treats people decently, doesn't see "microaggressions" in everything people say, is able to "agree to disagree" at times, and doesn't expect men to be as "elegant" as women, I feel she would be desirable to most men--even if she's a bit overweight.

Men, by and large, aren't stupid enough to desire only "centerfold" type women. They know there's more to a desirable woman than just mere looks. And they know that most women don't care too much if a guy has a six-pack, or even much muscle definition. They want an emotionally strong man whose shoulders are strong enough for when a lady wants to sleep on them on a train or something.


and the thing is most people get paired, so it's not true for most guys.

The few average guys who insist in wanting the top of the top will die single no matter what, like these ladies Bridgette77 talked about in the other thread :http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=337867



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06 Mar 2017, 9:26 am

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I'm fat and I get hundreds of messages from healthy fit men on dating sites. I definitely don't think 'most men' are as picky as you.

also lol at you implying women who don't reply to you are rude, but then admitting you don't respond to fat women.

come on dude lol

I can almost guarantee women aren't responding to you, because they sense this attitude^

for the record I think its totally fine that you aren't attracted to fat women, preference shouldn't be something we feel bad about, but don't assume because its not your preference that others feel the same way.



Women aren't responding to me because they sense I have an 'attitude'? I don't mention women's weight in my profile or in my messages I send at all. Are they capable of magic, are they? They can magically tell I'm not attracted to fat women?

Can you explain what you said?

Again, another woman jumping to irrational beliefs and making statements that have no logic.


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06 Mar 2017, 9:41 am

I don't like fat women either yet I still get responses, dates and girlfriends from dating sites. Apperantly girls' mind reading powers don't work on me.

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06 Mar 2017, 9:43 am

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But is 175 really 'very overweight' compared to 172 pounds which he says he weighs? I think there is quite a difference between 175 and 250lbs certainly moreso than 172 and 175. Also I do not think nor have I ever suggested that healthy weight is an unrealistic standard, however someone being a bit overweight doesn't necessarily mean they are unhealthy unless its more severe.

Also I don't even know what the hell the knight of venus is...so not sure what you are on about with that.


Yes a 175lbs woman is generally way more fat/overweight than a 172lbs man (unless she's very muscular or tall). Firstly, the average woman is 5 inches shorter than the average man (5ft4 vs 5ft9), secondly, untrained men carry 25 to 30lbs more muscle mass/weight than the average untrained female, thirdly men have heavier bone mass and slightly larger/heavier heads and slightly larger/heavier internal organs. Typically, average height men weigh 35lbs more than average height women.

With this in mind, I estimate the average 172lbs man of 17-18% bodyfat is equal to a 137lbs-140lbs woman with 26-27% bodyfat.

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I don't like fat women either yet I still get responses, dates and girlfriends from dating sites. Apperantly girls' mind reading powers don't work on me.

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Maybe because your handsome? :roll:


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