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08 Oct 2017, 11:39 pm

About what, specifically? In your mind you have an idea what you are concerned about. Please say what that is.



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08 Oct 2017, 11:51 pm

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... being the ‘special girl’ who ‘wins’ over the other girls, and she moved in right at the time you had sweetly been hinting to Imhere, to stay....


I don't know what that means either. What just happened here?

AspieSingleDad is having an anxiety attack and he was just being supportive, and my head is about to implode with guilt and shame over feeling like I somehow unintentionally violated the delicate ego and state of mind of an aspie that I care so much for.



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08 Oct 2017, 11:57 pm

ImHere, I think I’m being messed with. Everybody is being cryptic and when I ask them not to be, they are continuing to be anyway. Would you mind reading through the last several messages and explain what you think might of happened?



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08 Oct 2017, 11:59 pm

I have no idea. I thought it was weird too, after a big discussion about saying what you mean and mean what you say. I'm confused.



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09 Oct 2017, 12:17 am

Arnold Schwarzenegger has a famous saying, “Hasta la vista, baby!” I asked a simple question, couldn’t get a simple answer (I’m referring to shygirl and Britte). So I’m bailing on this thread. Good bye and good luck!



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09 Oct 2017, 12:19 am

^ That seems sensible.
I just read what happened and I'm getting very bad vibes too.


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09 Oct 2017, 4:28 am

That was entertaining.



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09 Oct 2017, 8:45 am

Good morning! To all concerned about the comments I made about wanting to be that "special girl" who "breaks through" to a guy and "wins him over..."

First, my intention is not to exploit anyone in friendship or romance on this forum or in real life. Second, Britte and ShyGirl misinterpreted my intentions but not necessarily the negative nature of the past feelings and actions I described. I am human just like you and so as humans we have a wide spectrum of intentions, emotions, and actions.

What I was describing was no ill or exploitive INTENT but rather actions that can result from unchecked feelings of infatuation. When our feelings are unchecked and we let our emotions drive our actions many times negative consequences can occur. I think this is what Britte is referencing when she says she's experienced this a few times in her past. When NTs (or really any human) let emotions alone dictate what we do without tempering with logical thinking, we can get in trouble and cause negative consequences for ourselves and other people.

The context in which I used the example was from my past...and it was a very specific comment to @imhere in reference to the same NT behaviors she was describing in herself. So, it was a conversation from one NT to another NT as a warning about letting emotions take control to the point of causing negative consequences for people you care about.

I hope that helps clear things up a bit for everyone. If not, feel free to ask me and I will tell you directly. I see only good intentions on Britte and ShyGirl's part and I'm not offended by the misunderstanding as it's difficult to know intent from a message board post alone. We don't know each other personally. :)



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09 Oct 2017, 2:12 pm

AspieSingleDad wrote:
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I think she's right too. If you decide not to have anything to do with this guy, does this mean you are gonna stop posting here to learn about the exciting (and simultaneously boring) world of Aspies?



I don't know. I still find Asperger's to be ingriging....if not exasperating.


It's exasperating for us too. Not only to "deal" with a world dominated by NTs, but because many of us would join the NT world if we had the opportunity. Autism is a part of us, its not something we signed up for voluntarily. Okay, so I think I'm being Captain Obvious, but there it is nonetheless.

I’d much rather be nt and normal then the sub human I am. Nt s get to live real lives. They get good jobs, have relationships, buy homes, have families. My friend is starting a great life by joining military and has a bright future. While my crappy life is horrible and futureless at 29 :(
I have no friends and most people at work seem to dislike me. I imagine they’d prefer I leave :cry:

Wish there was a cure. Though in reality it’s to late for such a thing to helps me. So I keep hoping for a drug to be invented that makes one not feel emotions.



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09 Oct 2017, 2:34 pm

It seems I missed a lot while I was writing the below, but hopefully it is helpful anyway.

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Britte, I've been thinking that about the alexithymia issue for quite a while. This hit home when I asked him if he wanted me to go to a performance of his, he honestly could not answer about if he wanted me there or not, and I really don't think he knew if he did or did not, and this happened on two separate occasions. The first time I went--he was surprised but not angry or anything. The second time, I was frustrated that he couldn't just tell me (I did not know then what I know now), so I didn't go...would you believe the next day he was grumpy and I can't help but to wonder if it was because I was not there.

Interestingly, he asked me on multiple occasions what I thought of HIM. I'm guess this was because he could not analyze that for himself, totally understandable for an aspie. I answered his question in context each time (once it was about his work but once it was personal). But what he probably didn't understand was that I have no idea how he felt about me, and when asked directly the way he asked me, he can't answer. If alexithymia is an issue for him, I suspect he has no idea what that is.

I've tried to learn what I can, but what I really need is to know how HE feels. Not what the research says he may feel or what he may fear. Like I keep feeling: there is a distinct possibility that he just can't stand me. Or it's the Asperger's. Two very different things, but there is no way for me to know, and like you said, I've suspected for some time that he does not know. It seems like an impossible situation. Everyone else around us knew we were close...everyone except for him. 8O

Also, I do love him for all of who he is, I just have no idea how he feels about me. :(


While I've never read up on that particular condition, I will share how I feel based on everything I've read from you (which isn't everything):

He does care about you. The problem is, I don't think he cares about you in the way you need him to, or at the level you hope for him to, and I don't see that as something you can change. I also think he may know this. This whole situation has you tied up in knots, and that isn't the way love is supposed to feel. That isn't going to change until you realize it isn't meant to be. My son spent 2 years in this kind of dance with a girl and I really hope she wasn't putting as much into it as you are into this guy because he just wasn't there for her (except a few times when she pounded him over the head with it). I think you should put him in a "dear friend" box, someone that has been in your life for some reason you'll figure out a few decades from now, then disentangle yourself emotionally. I know letting go isn't easy, but you will be happier once you do.

Life is full of relationships that involve a lot of caring and even love but are not meant to be. I honestly believe that is what you have. You have to stop looking for little crumbs of hope and let yourself move on.


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09 Oct 2017, 3:48 pm

Quote:
From an acorn of interest I will cultivate whole forests of affection

- Paddy McAloon



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09 Oct 2017, 4:48 pm

hurtloam wrote:
Quote:
From an acorn of interest I will cultivate whole forests of affection

- Paddy McAloon


I'm not sure how this applies, but it is cute. I like it :heart:


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09 Oct 2017, 5:06 pm

that1weirdgrrrl wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Quote:
From an acorn of interest I will cultivate whole forests of affection

- Paddy McAloon


I'm not sure how this applies, but it is cute. I like it :heart:



What DWamom said reminded me of it:

"You have to stop looking for little crumbs of hope and let yourself move on."

Here's the whole track



Sorry. Music is my obsession. There is a song for every moment and feeling.



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09 Oct 2017, 7:34 pm

hurtloam wrote:
that1weirdgrrrl wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Quote:
From an acorn of interest I will cultivate whole forests of affection

- Paddy McAloon


I'm not sure how this applies, but it is cute. I like it :heart:



What DWamom said reminded me of it:

"You have to stop looking for little crumbs of hope and let yourself move on."

Here's the whole track



Sorry. Music is my obsession. There is a song for every moment and feeling.



Can you please be more explicit, I don't understand what this is saying either.



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09 Oct 2017, 7:38 pm

sly279 wrote:
AspieSingleDad wrote:
imhere wrote:
AspieSingleDad wrote:
I think she's right too. If you decide not to have anything to do with this guy, does this mean you are gonna stop posting here to learn about the exciting (and simultaneously boring) world of Aspies?



I don't know. I still find Asperger's to be ingriging....if not exasperating.


It's exasperating for us too. Not only to "deal" with a world dominated by NTs, but because many of us would join the NT world if we had the opportunity. Autism is a part of us, its not something we signed up for voluntarily. Okay, so I think I'm being Captain Obvious, but there it is nonetheless.

I’d much rather be nt and normal then the sub human I am. Nt s get to live real lives. They get good jobs, have relationships, buy homes, have families. My friend is starting a great life by joining military and has a bright future. While my crappy life is horrible and futureless at 29 :(
I have no friends and most people at work seem to dislike me. I imagine they’d prefer I leave :cry:

Wish there was a cure. Though in reality it’s to late for such a thing to helps me. So I keep hoping for a drug to be invented that makes one not feel emotions.


Just because someone is NT does not mean they automatically get those things. And just because you are not does not mean you cannot have them too, though it might be harder. I don't think aspies are at all subhuman, just hard to get close to, IMHO.



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09 Oct 2017, 10:02 pm

imhere wrote:
sly279 wrote:
AspieSingleDad wrote:
imhere wrote:
AspieSingleDad wrote:
I think she's right too. If you decide not to have anything to do with this guy, does this mean you are gonna stop posting here to learn about the exciting (and simultaneously boring) world of Aspies?



I don't know. I still find Asperger's to be ingriging....if not exasperating.


It's exasperating for us too. Not only to "deal" with a world dominated by NTs, but because many of us would join the NT world if we had the opportunity. Autism is a part of us, its not something we signed up for voluntarily. Okay, so I think I'm being Captain Obvious, but there it is nonetheless.

I’d much rather be nt and normal then the sub human I am. Nt s get to live real lives. They get good jobs, have relationships, buy homes, have families. My friend is starting a great life by joining military and has a bright future. While my crappy life is horrible and futureless at 29 :(
I have no friends and most people at work seem to dislike me. I imagine they’d prefer I leave :cry:

Wish there was a cure. Though in reality it’s to late for such a thing to helps me. So I keep hoping for a drug to be invented that makes one not feel emotions.


Just because someone is NT does not mean they automatically get those things. And just because you are not does not mean you cannot have them too, though it might be harder. I don't think aspies are at all subhuman, just hard to get close to, IMHO.


Most nts do get them though even ones who never wanted a family get family like my ex friend. A lot of aspies end up disability for life which is a big red flag for most women sto now they want someone with good job and future.

I’m seen and treated as sub human as are other aspies but not all. Some achieve well in life and can mostly fake being normal