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16 May 2020, 5:53 am

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Cutting through all the fluff; they don't like aspie men for the most part, OP. Not at all. That's the blunt truth. It's not their fault, but they aren't looking behind them giving you a second glance either. Women are attracted to socially assertive guys, they're wired like that. Look around WP, most women struggling in the relationship sphere are in relationships, or have recently been in one, and most of the time it's with an NT.


I'm going to make myself unpopular again by stating the truth. A lot of posts from Aspie males on WP seem to overthink this idea they can never find a life partner. But when you dig deeper, they often have an unrealistic view of an ideal girlfriend that they are never going to meet. Putting it another way, they are punching way above their weight.

It's not just they want an NT girl, they want a girl who meets their checklist. The longer your your checklist the higher the probability of lifetime celibacy.


I don’t have a checklist. It’s not that there’s women who want to date me and I refuse like you are making it out to be but that not a single one will date me.
So why is it me with. I checklist can’t get a single woman to date me non less a relationship?


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16 May 2020, 6:47 am

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Cutting through all the fluff; they don't like aspie men for the most part, OP. Not at all. That's the blunt truth. It's not their fault, but they aren't looking behind them giving you a second glance either. Women are attracted to socially assertive guys, they're wired like that. Look around WP, most women struggling in the relationship sphere are in relationships, or have recently been in one, and most of the time it's with an NT.


I'm going to make myself unpopular again by stating the truth. A lot of posts from Aspie males on WP seem to overthink this idea they can never find a life partner. But when you dig deeper, they often have an unrealistic view of an ideal girlfriend that they are never going to meet. Putting it another way, they are punching way above their weight.

It's not just they want an NT girl, they want a girl who meets their checklist. The longer your your checklist the higher the probability of lifetime celibacy.


I don’t have a checklist. It’s not that there’s women who want to date me and I refuse like you are making it out to be but that not a single one will date me.
So why is it me with. I checklist can’t get a single woman to date me non less a relationship?


You weren't the people I was referring to Sly, the ones have a checklist know who they are



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16 May 2020, 6:52 am

One other advice is to avoid online interactions. It's easier for a girl to dismiss your feelings when they are online. Discard/throw you away. Much harder face to face (they have to make an effort).

Meeting girls face to face is much more rewarding and like a good fisherman move to where the fish are....if you live somewhere where there's no fish biting then move to where there are more fish,



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16 May 2020, 8:48 am

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Cutting through all the fluff; they don't like aspie men for the most part, OP. Not at all. That's the blunt truth. It's not their fault, but they aren't looking behind them giving you a second glance either. Women are attracted to socially assertive guys, they're wired like that. Look around WP, most women struggling in the relationship sphere are in relationships, or have recently been in one, and most of the time it's with an NT.


I'm going to make myself unpopular again by stating the truth. A lot of posts from Aspie males on WP seem to overthink this idea they can never find a life partner. But when you dig deeper, they often have an unrealistic view of an ideal girlfriend that they are never going to meet. Putting it another way, they are punching way above their weight.


I fail to see more than a couple posts fitting this criteria, and absolutely no where near "a lot". Not sure why you're quoting me when you didn't refute anything. What exactly do you define as punching above their weight?

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It's not just they want an NT girl


I've been searching through a few threads and fail to find a single example of someone saying this thus far. Though I will say, aspie women predominantely date NT men, so why would that be something you allude to as being a negative for aspie men to seek out NT women.. unless you fundamentally agree with my first post.

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they want a girl who meets their checklist. The longer your your checklist the higher the probability of lifetime celibacy.


Everyone has a "checklist" of sorts.. but can you also provide an example of these longwinded checklists you speak of?

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One other advice is to avoid online interactions. It's easier for a girl to dismiss your feelings when they are online. Discard/throw you away. Much harder face to face (they have to make an effort).

Meeting girls face to face is much more rewarding and like a good fisherman move to where the fish are....if you live somewhere where there's no fish biting then move to where there are more fish,


The real "truth" is that aspie men are disposable to most, be it male or female NTs. If you're going to throw out "advice" please don't do so under false pretenses; you're suggesting they lower their standards because most women won't and don't have any interest in them, and that is something you should say right off the bat. That is the truth.



Cyberdad doesn't know how it's like to go a entire lifetime without a single woman being interested in him,but he's telling you,me,along with other aspie men that we continue to try to meet women,that it's our fault for why women dislike us and why meeting women in real life is somehow going to make our situation better,which will not in reality. Unlike some people,I can accept that the vast majority of/almost all woman dislike aspie men and many of them straight up hate us.It doesn't matter if we look "pretty" or "ugly".It doesn't much money we make.It doesn't how many male friends we have.It doesn't matter if we improve on "social skills".Doesn't matter how confident/positive we are.None of this "self improvement" BS will change the fact that vast majority of women are not and will never,ever be interested in people like us.



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16 May 2020, 9:13 am

Actually, I see a big lack of 'checklist' logic among guys in general; and I always thought this is a problem, there are plenty of guys who end up in abusive/horrible relationships because they went for one just because she's the only one who said yes.

On the contrary, I think guys, all guys not just aspies, must also make checklists.

Guys must also learn how to become picky; and to express what are their red flags with no remorse; women do it all the time.



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16 May 2020, 9:17 am

^^ But most women won't know that that aspie is an aspie, or do you mean the typical aspie traits even without knowing that it has a name?



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16 May 2020, 9:20 am

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To be honest, those things combined can make a difference. The #1 thing that does aspie men no justice with women and making friends in general are their lack of social skills, and inability to relate to others. Self-improvement is the one thing you should be working on every day, no matter how little or insignificant it may seem. Also, since most women aren't attracted to aspie guys romantically, you should spend less time trying to imitate NT men and more time being yourself.. but that's not to say you should bore someone to death with a niche interest you may have when talking to them; be aware of whether or not you're actually invested in getting to know the person you're talking to. That means actually expressing interest and caring about what they have to say, or how they feel. They should do the same vice-versa. Of course, if you're interested in anime as an adult male, most women won't find that to be an attractive quality.

Dress nicely, but don't wear something other people aren't unless standing out is your thing (you may not realise it) -- take tips and mental notes from random people you see out and about. Get a decent haircut and groom yourself.

Don't go out of your way trying to excessively appease or "woo" a woman, it can become cringey. Go~With~The~Flow and let things happen and play out. Don't try forcing jokes. The dating playbook is taken too literally by aspie men.

One of the most common ways of meeting another person is through work or education, but you have to be consistent in taking care of yourself, being presentable and sociable. Also, "pick-up artists" are full of crap and exaggerate to extremes while selling you courses or whatever. Just throwing these arbitrary tips out for anyone reading really, but there's no point lying to you so stop caring about the 95% of women who don't care about aspie men (or whatever).


This post is gold. Listen to this guys.



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16 May 2020, 10:59 am

You have to go around in life emphasizing to other people that you have worth and you are a viable person.

Just because you might be “Aspie,” “autistic,” or whatever doesn’t lessen the fact that you can be as useful, or more useful, than an NT person with the “usual” interests. You are not “less” than the NT person.

Just like one shouldn’t discuss anime with a woman, a woman should necessarily talk about the intricacies of applying makeup. Both interests just might bore listeners.



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16 May 2020, 12:59 pm

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Ignore Cyberdad. He doesn't know how like to go his entire life without a single woman being interested in him

I don't either, but I know that belittling and patronising those aspie men who have gone their entire life as such is wrong. I'm sure he's got the best of intentions deep down.
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but he's telling me and you along with other aspie men that we continue to try to meet women,that make it our fault for why women dislike us and why meeting women in real is somehow going to make our situation better,which it's not.

It's not your fault, but most women don't like the vast majority of aspies on a romantic level. However, that doesn't mean to say there aren't things you can change. I just take issue with people padding their words of support with nonsense and making things up just to convince you of something they could have said candidly to begin with.
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I can accept that the vast majority of woman dislike aspie men and many straight up hate us.

Refer to the first sentence in my previous paragraph; there's no untoward hate.
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It doesn't much thin we.It doesn't much money we make.It doesn't how many male friends we have.It doesn't matter if we improve on "social skills".Doesn't matter how confident/positive we are.None of this "self improvement" BS will change the fact that vast majority of women are not and will never,ever interested in people like us.

To be honest, those things combined can make a difference. The #1 thing that does aspie men no justice with women and making friends in general are their lack of social skills, and inability to relate to others. Self-improvement is the one thing you should be working on every day, no matter how little or insignificant it may seem. Also, since most women aren't attracted to aspie guys romantically, you should spend less time trying to imitate NT men and more time being yourself.. but that's not to say you should bore someone to death with a niche interest you may have when talking to them; be aware of whether or not you're actually invested in getting to know the person you're talking to. That means actually expressing interest and caring about what they have to say, or how they feel. They should do the same vice-versa. Of course, if you're interested in anime as an adult male, most women won't find that to be an attractive quality.

Dress nicely, but don't wear something other people aren't unless standing out is your thing (you may not realise it) -- take tips and mental notes from random people you see out and about. Get a decent haircut and groom yourself.

Don't go out of your way trying to excessively appease or "woo" a woman, it can become cringey. Go~With~The~Flow and let things happen and play out. Don't try forcing jokes. The dating playbook is taken too literally by aspie men.

One of the most common ways of meeting another person is through work or education, but you have to be consistent in taking care of yourself, being presentable and sociable. Also, "pick-up artists" are full of crap and exaggerate to extremes while selling you courses or whatever. Just throwing these arbitrary tips out for anyone reading really, but there's no point lying to you so stop caring about the 95% of women who don't care about aspie men (or whatever).




Well,the problem is where I can find the 1-5% of women who MIGHT want something to do with me and key word is MIGHT.I wouldn't be surprised if most of that 1-5% are already taken or have very significantly religious/cultural differences or find me uninteresting in other ways outside of being a aspie. Personally as much as I want affection and intimacy,I'm starting question if there's any point of wasting my time talking/conversing with females at all(haven't converse with a female anyway in 3 years),knowing that the odds so heavily stacked against me in the first place when it comes to women.As we know,some people are just not meant to be loved by anyone and no matter how hard we try, the results is always rejection.

Of course self improvement is important for pretty much everything,even for the most simple of things. However when people say self improvement is important to help with dating chances,I find it to be nonsense.Sometimes self improvements means nothing when it comes to getting dates.I'm keep myself in shape,I had a job until this covid 19 s**t began ,I live on own,I developed more and more hobbies over the years and even had male friends for most of my life.Despite of all that, I'm was never even remotely close to date or hell even a female friendship. Personally I think getting close to just giving up on dating and women general,however, thanks for the advice anyway.



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16 May 2020, 1:32 pm

Females are people, too.

Why can’t you converse with females like you would converse with males (for most topics).

Once you can do that, without seeing females as something otherworldly, you will go farther in your quest for a relationship.

Some women even like discussing sports!



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16 May 2020, 3:24 pm

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To be honest, those things combined can make a difference. The #1 thing that does aspie men no justice with women and making friends in general are their lack of social skills, and inability to relate to others. Self-improvement is the one thing you should be working on every day, no matter how little or insignificant it may seem. Also, since most women aren't attracted to aspie guys romantically, you should spend less time trying to imitate NT men and more time being yourself.. but that's not to say you should bore someone to death with a niche interest you may have when talking to them; be aware of whether or not you're actually invested in getting to know the person you're talking to. That means actually expressing interest and caring about what they have to say, or how they feel. They should do the same vice-versa. Of course, if you're interested in anime as an adult male, most women won't find that to be an attractive quality.

Dress nicely, but don't wear something other people aren't unless standing out is your thing (you may not realise it) -- take tips and mental notes from random people you see out and about. Get a decent haircut and groom yourself.

Don't go out of your way trying to excessively appease or "woo" a woman, it can become cringey. Go~With~The~Flow and let things happen and play out. Don't try forcing jokes. The dating playbook is taken too literally by aspie men.

One of the most common ways of meeting another person is through work or education, but you have to be consistent in taking care of yourself, being presentable and sociable. Also, "pick-up artists" are full of crap and exaggerate to extremes while selling you courses or whatever. Just throwing these arbitrary tips out for anyone reading really, but there's no point lying to you so stop caring about the 95% of women who don't care about aspie men (or whatever).


This post is gold. Listen to this guys.

I work retail at 32 so no woman I meet is going date me especially ones I meet at work.


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16 May 2020, 3:29 pm

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Females are people, too.

Why can’t you converse with females like you would converse with males (for most topics).

Once you can do that, without seeing females as something otherworldly, you will go farther in your quest for a relationship.

Some women even like discussing sports!


Most women don’t even bother conversing with me. When I do talk to one I have to start every conversation and they just give some half ass reply with no follow up.
Mostly just how’s your day and then they stop talking to me.

As for topics me and most women don’t have anything to talk about. All they care about is traveling overseas and shopping. While I can never afford to travel and spend most my time watching tv and video games so that’s the topics I could discuss.

Over all the women I’ve interacted with out in zero effort and conversations require effort on both sides. I’m apparently nit worth any woman’s time or effort :cry:


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16 May 2020, 4:20 pm

If you go to a place like Bend, Oregon, I am certain that most women there couldn’t truthfully talk about traveling to too many foreign places.



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If you go to a place like Bend, Oregon, I am certain that most women there couldn’t truthfully talk about traveling to too many foreign places.

Bend is smaller more conservative city.
In modern world where you live doesn’t limit your desire and ability to travel.
But I can’t afford to move anywhere.


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16 May 2020, 4:24 pm

I'm not convinced that the struggles many posters describe is an 'aspie men' issue and instead an 'adult children' thing. Now, I don't use that term to be judgmental since my entire period as a thirty-something I've absolutely qualified as one of these myself, including even when I was involved with someone. The fact that I was able to make something work for much of that period is likely an outlier.

If you're well into adulthood, live with your parents and still accept a clear parent/child dynamic; have no plans, hopes or prospects of altering that situation and don't understand why others might not understand this, this will likely make you a far less appealing partner to adults. These traits are also likely to impact your platonic relationships, so the relationship between no friends and no sigoth is still relevant, but previously the understanding I've advanced didn't account for folks who had more social success early in life. This factor will mean more during one's 20s through 40s than it might later on, and certainly more than it did when one is still teenaged or in their early 20s.

Basically, the social deficits will harm one, same with toxic attitudes and all of the other things that have come up in this and other similar threads, but at the end of the day, if potential partners are left with the impression that you're basically a child and not a full participant in their world, you're unlikely to be concerned as a serious prospect for a relationship and might need to be really appealing to even be considered for a fling. Given that that's where we're often starting from, even if all of the factors that might improve ones hope for even short-term romantic success (you're an attractive, charismatic woman interested in average looking guys for a hook-up, fluent in using social media and apps, with sufficient free time and budget, etc) you still might have less success than average, so for those of us who are male, or at least not pursuing straight males, less attractive, less charming, too busy, less fluent in 'dating technology' etc, each of those negatives gets compounded by this primary one.

Most of what the more positive advisors is suggesting is true, but we've often failed to weigh this factor adequately.

This is one of the primary factors that makes the more negative advisors appear true, although I don't agree with the idea that it's utterly hopeless I don't disagree with the idea that it will often appear that way. I don't believe they've been correct in attributing the problem, although I'm sure someone's brought up the same idea that I am before. I don't believe that it's insurmountable, but it is a substantial complicating factor especially given that it often seems as though some posters on here also select against their fellow adult children without really acknowledging it. Obviously if that's the boat you're in, your shipmates might be both more suitable as partners as well as able to sympathize with the experience.

It does seem as though more of the women in this boat might use that knowledge to not bother with considering relationships which seems to make them less prone to complaining about the situation (no idea if that's actually healthier than posting about it regularly, even if it appears to be).

Anyways, that's my borderline incoherent rambling for the hour. :mrgreen:


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16 May 2020, 4:58 pm

Just saying....

Women are still expected to be the caretakers and the nurturers. They may not be attracted to men that will add to their burden of people they have to take care of.

I've been friends with people who are at a much lower socio-economic status than me, and it always ended up that I had to pay their way. In the end, married men live longer than single men, and married women drop dead sooner than single women.

A woman I conversed with on Reddit said, "I look for assets, not liabilities." Maybe more men are willing to support poor women, but women are not willing to support poor men who have nothing going on in their lives.


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