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17 Mar 2013, 7:46 am

Since the topic was originally about White boys who are attracted to Asian girls and want some advice for pick-up lines: would a White boy stand a chance in India of finding a traditional wife, or would the girl's family just scoff and send him away? Even if he offered a reverse dowry? Based on some of the articles that you posted, it seems like it could be quite dangerous for both him and the girl, if he (and she) didn't approach it right.



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17 Mar 2013, 8:05 am

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I don't get that part much, doesn't she end up like this for good? Don't the newly married couple get their own house?

Like Egypt, where the bride's parents provide the dowry and the house - In the levant it's the opposite: It's the groom's responsibility to provide the house and the wedding's costs and, in the more conservative families/areas, his parents provide a dowry.

No most of the houses there are joint family system. And the girl has to adjust with so many people whom she barely knows and they can be any kind of people. There are many cases of housewives committing suicide nowadays alongwith their children. The mental torture becomes too much to bear
http://www.in.com/news/current-affairs/ ... -in-1.html


That's so uncommon here, the join system only happens temporarily when the guy is incapable to provide a house - but it's uncommon and often considered shameful for the guy.



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17 Mar 2013, 9:45 am

My ex's family must have been extremely progressive.

He is Indian from Mumbai. He came to the USA for University and then to work. I met him while we were both in Uni. At first, he was terrified to tell his family about me (I'm not Indian and not a girl.....) but he finally got the courage after a year and guess what... they accepted me after getting to know me. I think his mom accepted me because I am just like a girl, I look like one and did all the domestic things. I did everything a "wife" traditionally does, including keeping murthis and everything properly; I learned puja, too. So I was like a female substitute. That doesn't offend me or bother me whatsoever since I like doing all those things. Anyway, I went to India to meet his family and they were the most loving and kind people I've ever known. I didn't have a family growing up, especially not a mother, so I became close with his mom. We traveled the country together and I lived as a regular Indian person for a while. Those are still the most precious memories of my entire life. When I was in India, I felt loved and accepted just as I am. I know a lot of it is because the neighbors probably thought I was a girl and Mumbai is more progressive than other places in India. But a lot of it had to do with my personality. Before my mom passed, she raised me according to strict Japanese tradition and there is a similarity in thinking across all Asian cultures. I blended very naturally with Indian culture without much effort. I also treated their son very well (he's the first born male so that's important).

I don't know, maybe I was just lucky that his family was so open minded.

Sadly, my ex treated me terribly and we went our separate ways after 6 years. But the story has a happy ending. His parents found out everything he'd done to me and really laid into him. I think a month after I moved out, he started to realize that I was really leaving and was devastated. He'd always been spoiled and got whatever he wanted so it was a shock to him. He completely changed as a person and I am extremely proud of him. Most people never admit their shortcomings and never change. He really did and I'm his friend now. He got his citizenship just a couple months ago and I'm very happy for him. I also learned a lot about myself through that relationship and am better for it.

I rambled a bit, but my point was to describe the open-mindedness of the Indians I knew and came across in Mumbai. I miss his family so much, I cannot even tell you.

On a side note, I feel very "third gender" and so I was VERY nice to the hijra when I saw them in Mumbai. I understood them in some way.



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17 Mar 2013, 12:01 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Since the topic was originally about White boys who are attracted to Asian girls and want some advice for pick-up lines: would a White boy stand a chance in India of finding a traditional wife, or would the girl's family just scoff and send him away? Even if he offered a reverse dowry? Based on some of the articles that you posted, it seems like it could be quite dangerous for both him and the girl, if he (and she) didn't approach it right.

i dont think it would be dangerous but someone who has lived in india and migrated abroad would be less open minded
compared to someone who was brought up abroad and as open views about dating
dating is not common here in india and is looked down upon as taboo
so yes caution is needed when approaching a girl from india.


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17 Mar 2013, 12:04 pm

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My ex's family must have been extremely progressive.

He is Indian from Mumbai. He came to the USA for University and then to work. I met him while we were both in Uni. At first, he was terrified to tell his family about me (I'm not Indian and not a girl.....) but he finally got the courage after a year and guess what... they accepted me after getting to know me. I think his mom accepted me because I am just like a girl, I look like one and did all the domestic things. I did everything a "wife" traditionally does, including keeping murthis and everything properly; I learned puja, too. So I was like a female substitute. That doesn't offend me or bother me whatsoever since I like doing all those things. Anyway, I went to India to meet his family and they were the most loving and kind people I've ever known. I didn't have a family growing up, especially not a mother, so I became close with his mom. We traveled the country together and I lived as a regular Indian person for a while. Those are still the most precious memories of my entire life. When I was in India, I felt loved and accepted just as I am. I know a lot of it is because the neighbors probably thought I was a girl and Mumbai is more progressive than other places in India. But a lot of it had to do with my personality. Before my mom passed, she raised me according to strict Japanese tradition and there is a similarity in thinking across all Asian cultures. I blended very naturally with Indian culture without much effort. I also treated their son very well (he's the first born male so that's important).

I don't know, maybe I was just lucky that his family was so open minded.

Sadly, my ex treated me terribly and we went our separate ways after 6 years. But the story has a happy ending. His parents found out everything he'd done to me and really laid into him. I think a month after I moved out, he started to realize that I was really leaving and was devastated. He'd always been spoiled and got whatever he wanted so it was a shock to him. He completely changed as a person and I am extremely proud of him. Most people never admit their shortcomings and never change. He really did and I'm his friend now. He got his citizenship just a couple months ago and I'm very happy for him. I also learned a lot about myself through that relationship and am better for it.

I rambled a bit, but my point was to describe the open-mindedness of the Indians I knew and came across in Mumbai. I miss his family so much, I cannot even tell you.

On a side note, I feel very "third gender" and so I was VERY nice to the hijra when I saw them in Mumbai. I understood them in some way.

Yes they might be quite liberal and open minded to accept you.
But probably they might have convinced him to marry some indian girl in the long run.
And thats the reason he may have started treating you badly.
Indians always want someone who will cook, clean, maintain the house and bring in a male family heir.
And since he was quite young when he met you and needed a citizenship he might have been dating you
Now that he has settled down probably he will settle with a domesticated version of wife.


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17 Mar 2013, 12:13 pm

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kouzoku wrote:
My ex's family must have been extremely progressive.

He is Indian from Mumbai. He came to the USA for University and then to work. I met him while we were both in Uni. At first, he was terrified to tell his family about me (I'm not Indian and not a girl.....) but he finally got the courage after a year and guess what... they accepted me after getting to know me. I think his mom accepted me because I am just like a girl, I look like one and did all the domestic things. I did everything a "wife" traditionally does, including keeping murthis and everything properly; I learned puja, too. So I was like a female substitute. That doesn't offend me or bother me whatsoever since I like doing all those things. Anyway, I went to India to meet his family and they were the most loving and kind people I've ever known. I didn't have a family growing up, especially not a mother, so I became close with his mom. We traveled the country together and I lived as a regular Indian person for a while. Those are still the most precious memories of my entire life. When I was in India, I felt loved and accepted just as I am. I know a lot of it is because the neighbors probably thought I was a girl and Mumbai is more progressive than other places in India. But a lot of it had to do with my personality. Before my mom passed, she raised me according to strict Japanese tradition and there is a similarity in thinking across all Asian cultures. I blended very naturally with Indian culture without much effort. I also treated their son very well (he's the first born male so that's important).

I don't know, maybe I was just lucky that his family was so open minded.

Sadly, my ex treated me terribly and we went our separate ways after 6 years. But the story has a happy ending. His parents found out everything he'd done to me and really laid into him. I think a month after I moved out, he started to realize that I was really leaving and was devastated. He'd always been spoiled and got whatever he wanted so it was a shock to him. He completely changed as a person and I am extremely proud of him. Most people never admit their shortcomings and never change. He really did and I'm his friend now. He got his citizenship just a couple months ago and I'm very happy for him. I also learned a lot about myself through that relationship and am better for it.

I rambled a bit, but my point was to describe the open-mindedness of the Indians I knew and came across in Mumbai. I miss his family so much, I cannot even tell you.

On a side note, I feel very "third gender" and so I was VERY nice to the hijra when I saw them in Mumbai. I understood them in some way.

Yes they might be quite liberal and open minded to accept you.
But probably they might have convinced him to marry some indian girl in the long run.
And thats the reason he may have started treating you badly.
Indians always want someone who will cook, clean, maintain the house and bring in a male family heir.
And since he was quite young when he met you and needed a citizenship he might have been dating you
Now that he has settled down probably he will settle with a domesticated version of wife.


He wasn't looking for citizenship. We're gay. He went into his Masters program when he was 28. We did not just come from high school. Also, his parents didn't convince him to marry an Indian girl. They liked me and didn't care about those "traditional" things. They have another son who has children and are satisfied with that. He's not married now and he doesn't want to get married ever. Didn't I mention we're friends now?

You shouldn't insult my relationship with him just because other Indians would not approve of it. I'm sharing my story to show that maybe MOST of Indians are still very traditional when it comes to marriage, but not ALL of them are. His parents had a love match back in the early 1970s which was very controversial. Initially, their parents rejected them, but eventually accepted them and they've been married ever since.



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17 Mar 2013, 12:23 pm

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He wasn't looking for citizenship. We're gay. He went into his Masters program when he was 28. We did not just come from high school. Also, his parents didn't convince him to marry an Indian girl. They liked me and didn't care about those "traditional" things. They have another son who has children and are satisfied with that. He's not married now and he doesn't want to get married ever. Didn't I mention we're friends now?

You shouldn't insult my relationship with him just because other Indians would not approve of it. I'm sharing my story to show that maybe MOST of Indians are still very traditional when it comes to marriage, but not ALL of them are. His parents had a love match back in the early 1970s which was very controversial. Initially, their parents rejected them, but eventually accepted them and they've been married ever since.

ok, i was just thinking from plain indian view point.
they are quite liberal its hard to come across such people in my community atleast
my community is very strict and disciplinary
and ya marriage is just a business here.


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17 Mar 2013, 1:02 pm

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ArrantPariah wrote:
Since the topic was originally about White boys who are attracted to Asian girls and want some advice for pick-up lines: would a White boy stand a chance in India of finding a traditional wife, or would the girl's family just scoff and send him away? Even if he offered a reverse dowry? Based on some of the articles that you posted, it seems like it could be quite dangerous for both him and the girl, if he (and she) didn't approach it right.

i dont think it would be dangerous but someone who has lived in india and migrated abroad would be less open minded
compared to someone who was brought up abroad and as open views about dating
dating is not common here in india and is looked down upon as taboo
so yes caution is needed when approaching a girl from india.


Parents in other parts of Asia (especially the Philippines) would be thrilled to have a daughter marry a foreigner.

So, if I were visiting India, and saw a girl that I thought was cute, or browsed through the advertisements in the local newspaper, would I approach the parents and ask for a marriage? Or, would it be preferable, for example, to try to get a male acquaintance to negotiate on my behalf?

Or, would it be completely out of the question?



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18 Mar 2013, 1:35 am

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Parents in other parts of Asia (especially the Philippines) would be thrilled to have a daughter marry a foreigner.

So, if I were visiting India, and saw a girl that I thought was cute, or browsed through the advertisements in the local newspaper, would I approach the parents and ask for a marriage? Or, would it be preferable, for example, to try to get a male acquaintance to negotiate on my behalf?

Or, would it be completely out of the question?

You probably would find it very difficult to get a girl through arranged marriage system here in india
Foreigners dont take marriage seriously, its like divorce after couple of years scenario (atleast what celebrity marriages are)
Plus family is given lot of importance. Like they will check your family background.
If a girl is not having father (father died early etc) then also she finds it difficult to get a groom
So if there is loopholes in your family background like parents divorced, brother unmarried etc
no one would entertain you.
You might get a girl from poorer background.
poor people are ready to dispose of their girls to anyone.
There are many cases of rich arabs coming and marrying girls
and then disposing them back.
They pay a couple of lakhs of rupees to the parents then the girl is married to a old arab man
then the arab leaves the girl at parents house after 10-15 days


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18 Mar 2013, 7:12 am

That's terrible.

I've heard of rich Arab men going to countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh to add wives to their harems (they can have up to four), but I never heard of them marrying a girl just to abandon her. The poor girl's life must be ruined.



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18 Mar 2013, 8:13 am

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That's terrible.

I've heard of rich Arab men going to countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh to add wives to their harems (they can have up to four), but I never heard of them marrying a girl just to abandon her. The poor girl's life must be ruined.

ya many girls go into depression and commit suicide those who are vulnerable and ignorant
some are thrown out by their families and end up in brothels
many of them are into this for money they can handle such things

but arabs usually purchase virgins only
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2012/dec/28 ... -weeks.htm


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In my opinion all women are equally as beautiful and worthy to be with one has to look beyond ethnic background and look more into campatability personality wise otherwise it wont work out. People may have preferences but because of dating the person specifically for just race is not so healthy in my opinion.


Once I tell men I'm half Korean I get tons of wow girl you must be hot. :roll:


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18 Mar 2013, 9:08 am

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In my opinion all women are equally as beautiful and worthy to be with one has to look beyond ethnic background and look more into campatability personality wise otherwise it wont work out. People may have preferences but because of dating the person specifically for just race is not so healthy in my opinion.


Once I tell men I'm half Korean I get tons of wow girl you must be hot. :roll:


Well, every little something that you can flaunt in the romance game helps your position.



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18 Mar 2013, 10:04 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
luvsterriers wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
In my opinion all women are equally as beautiful and worthy to be with one has to look beyond ethnic background and look more into campatability personality wise otherwise it wont work out. People may have preferences but because of dating the person specifically for just race is not so healthy in my opinion.


Once I tell men I'm half Korean I get tons of wow girl you must be hot. :roll:


Well, every little something that you can flaunt in the romance game helps your position.


I have a huge dick.

*Flaunting it*



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18 Mar 2013, 11:44 am

luvsterriers wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
In my opinion all women are equally as beautiful and worthy to be with one has to look beyond ethnic background and look more into campatability personality wise otherwise it wont work out. People may have preferences but because of dating the person specifically for just race is not so healthy in my opinion.


Once I tell men I'm half Korean I get tons of wow girl you must be hot. :roll:


A woman who is referred to as "hot" is being spoken of as being very attractive. So, take it as a compliment.



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18 Mar 2013, 12:20 pm

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luvsterriers wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
In my opinion all women are equally as beautiful and worthy to be with one has to look beyond ethnic background and look more into campatability personality wise otherwise it wont work out. People may have preferences but because of dating the person specifically for just race is not so healthy in my opinion.


Once I tell men I'm half Korean I get tons of wow girl you must be hot. :roll:


A woman who is referred to as "hot" is being spoken of as being very attractive. So, take it as a compliment.


Yes but the problem is that she is being told this AFTER saying she's half Korean. Implying she might not be considered hot if she weren't half Korean. As if it is her race that determines her hottitude. Yuck.