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15 Jul 2014, 6:56 pm

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Why the first name "Dick" even exists in America/UK, that always has boggled my mind, is it prounounced any differently from dick aka penis?


The English language is one of the most convoluted languages on the planet... :lol:


Well, the English vocabulary is certainly large, 600k words? That's like 6x times than French. I don't know how many words there in Arabic but I've read something if including all "dialects" then it can reach to a million.

How different spoken English to written English? I can barely notice the differences, in French there are some little differences between "familiar French" and classic French such as "C'est chouette" (it looks good) versus "C'est joli" (Classic).


I don't speak Arabic, but from what I understand it is not really a single language. The situation is pretty similar to Romance languages I think (or maybe even Slavic or Germanic languages): There is Classical Arabic (a prestige language of education and religion, like Latin), and then there are many varieties of spoken Arabic. From what I hear many dialects of Arabic are not mutually intellegible. To me it seems more like Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese today.

I think the differences between written and spoken Arabic may be larger than for English or other European languages, since during the spread of Arabic they already had their own written language, Classical Arabic. Until modern times English people would usually write in Latin and not English. It was not until the 16th century (Reformation) that people would begin to write in their own language more than Latin, and by that time the languages were pretty fragmented. I live in the Netherlands and even today there are people from the south I can't understand at all, even though it is a very small country. Around 1200 years ago Old English and Old Dutch were mutually intelligible, today they are definately not.
I don't think there is that much difference between spoken and written English. One thing that bothered me when learning English: the spelling often has very little to do with pronunciation. French is almost as bad. French is probably one of the most ugly sounding languages too, but maybe I'm biased.

One thing I'm curious about, since you asked about the difference between spoken and written English: do English language tv programs and films in Lebanon get subtitles or are they dubbed? Here they are subtitled so most people have a fair idea of what English sounds like. In Germany they dub most things, it's pretty hilarious to watch James Bond or the The Simpsons in German.



You're totally right about the Arabic.
In Arabic, there are extremely huge differences between Classic Arabic and Spoken Arabic (dialects), there are also huge differences between one dialect with another - differences in vocabulary, phrase structuring, even in grammar...etc. Linguists call this case diglossia, and Arabic is a typical example of diglossia.
There's also the Standard Modern Arabic which is a simplified form of Classic used in the press (basically it's the same of Classic but will less usage of motions and vowel marks).

Some linguists refer to the Arabic dialects to Arabic Languages - and I think it's an accurate description because each dialect has different roots, Levantine Arabic is strongly derived from Aramaic, Egyptian Arabic from Coptic (ancient egyptian) ...etc.

For example the sentence: ""The kids came inside the house".

In Classic/Standard Arabic, it can be said: "Ja'a el Awlad eila el dakhel" - the verb ja'a (came) is in singular form since it's in the beginning of the sentence (a grammatical rule).


In Levantine Arabic however: "Feto el wlad la jouwa." - the verb "feto" (came inside) is in plural form, this is Syriac Aramaic grammatical rule while, and the word itself is from Aramaic root, the word "jouwa" (inside) is Syriac too. About 40% of Levantine vocab are of Aramaic origins, the famous word "Marhaba" (hello) which is used mostly in the levant means "Lord's love" in Aramaic used as greeting.

In Egpytian Arabic the phrase would be like: ego el ayal la guoua.

I can barely understand Morrocan Arabic (too much Berber origin).

No, tv programs are usually subtitled.



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15 Jul 2014, 7:10 pm

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the ones who lash out with extreme violence, perhaps. what about all the guys on the street who hoot and holler at women and then call them a b***h for not responding positively to their attention? is every single one of those guys (and there are TONNES, take my word for it) "very unhinged"? or all the guys that try to start conversations with lone women on buses/the subway/etc only to react with name-calling, anger, jeering, and aggression, when their advances are rejected--those guys are all unhinged too? if what you're saying is true, then there are a LOT of seriously unhinged dudes in the world, or a small handful that really get around because every woman i know has dealt with this kind of backlash. it's not a small minority of "unhinged" men, or street harassment and the backlash that goes with it when the women subjected to it don't respond in the "right" way, would not be as epidemic as it is. and if you doubt that street harassment is epidemic, check this out:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2014/06/04/new-study-suggests-street-harassment-is-widespread/


I hear the same from other women. At first I didn't understand why so many women are afraid to out at night on their own, because as a man you don't really think of it. Generally men have little to fear from women physically, and because of that they don't understand why women would be afraid of them. A women told me she was going home, and a creepy dude slowed down his car so he kept next to her, and then started say things like "Hey, looking good, want to come home with me?" in de middle of the night. That must be terrifying for a lone women.

I read a study a while ago (I'll see if I can find it again later) where men admitted to rape, depending on how it was phrased. They did not call it rape in the study, but whether they forced women to have sex with them. When it was phrased that way they would admit they did that. The same guys also admitted to having sex with women who were passed out. These men were a minority, but they were repeat offenders, and these repeat offenders also admitted to acts of violence and some of them admitted to doing inappropriate things with children. The theme here is always the same: not respecting other people's boundaries.
This study was done with college men, so they are mostly fairly young, but there was even a category for people who admitted to between 9-50 rapes.

This overlap seems to suggest that there is a subset of men who don't give a sh** and just do to other people what they want. I think that it is a minority, but that minority consists of repeat offenders. I think this is also the case with the people who hoot and bother women. If only 1/10 men is like that, you will run into these on a regular basis, sadly. In the study I think it was 400/1800 men admitted to having sex with women without consent (of varying degrees). Much higher than I expected. I would call these 400 men unhinged. If I can dig up the study I'll start a new topic.


Yeah, please do. I think you're right, that it's a minority of men, but a substantial minority. I think too that part of the problem's that the guys who aren't quite like that make up a bigger segment of the population, and they're looking over at these horrific creeps, and thinking, "He always gets what he wants, he doesn't let people push him around." And then every once in a while they'll do something awful to get what they want, and justify it as "I'm always so good, I deserve this one break" or "he gets more than me, why should I always suffer," or "at least I'm not like him, he's way worse." You get creep creep.

The rape and assault numbers shocked me, too, when I first started hearing them, and I thought they were insane, must have been made up. It took years for me to actually pay attention and notice -- oh hey! I'm in those stats! -- and that many of my friends were, as well, and that's when I realized...yeah, these numbers could actually make sense. It's just that when you're assaulted, you know, most people don't want to go around thinking of themselves as an assault or rape victim, or minimize it in their own lives, or find reasons to blame themselves or decide it wasn't *really* rape, especially if there isn't someone to talk to about it. Plus the pressure not to accuse a guy of sexual assault -- you know, did he really do anything so bad, can't you just drop it? It becomes very...ordinary. So I'm not surprised that so many young men felt that forcing themselves on a woman was just ordinary, too.


They thought it was ordinary because it is ordinary.



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15 Jul 2014, 7:21 pm

^ Hm?



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15 Jul 2014, 7:27 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^ Hm?


funny, that's just what i thought when i read that.

em_tsuj, you may want to elaborate, as that looks a bit weird just sitting there by itself.

perhaps you were being ironic and we missed it?



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15 Jul 2014, 7:33 pm

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L&D and Adult Autism Issues is rapidly turning into some sort of battleground where certain members attack other members for having a different opinion to theirs


I already know you have had something in the past that went public on here and I apologize if i was offensive at the time. But I certainly will agree with you that I have seen many people have serious ego problems oh not just this website, but other forums as well.

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wow,I never had any ''real trouble''hitting on random girls.Most have
been respectful and nice.I've had some that got annoyed and mad(mainly
because I whistled at them)but no most Women are good people.
I don't where this hostility is coming from...


I think this indicates the luck some people might have in hitting on people. Some will do it for fun and be playful about it. It seems like Bill here likes to be playful and some acknowledge it without hostility. I have seen some guy friends do the same thing. They may or may not end up getting a girlfriend or fling. Depends on what they want. I tried it and it doesn't work for me.

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and congrats for the German members :lol: .


A lot of this thread was posted during World Cup time. You know much time I wasted on reading usesless posts? Lol. and thank you btw... not German myself, but from a line of Germans...

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Here is the question that I have. Why do so many men externalize their anger, directing it toward women instead of blaming themselves? It seems to me that women are less likely to do that. Instead, they blame themselves, or they just say that it is unfair but don't take that extra step of blaming men for their aloneness. (I am not talking about all women. This is anecdotal, just the women I have seen here on this site), but I would be interested to know if it was a real phenomenon. Perhaps understanding it more would help prevent further killings of random women by angry men.


I won't even comment on the killing part. But my understanding is that men are more ego-driven. Also keep in mind that men can't get help first unless they do what they can on their own. The more pride a man has and the more stubborn he is, the less he wants help from others.
Women love to talk on the other hand because usually they would rather get out what they are feeling so that they can get back to taking care of themselves. Men and women generally take care of themselves in different manner. Of course, you will have some people tell you that not all women are like that, and it is true. Same goes for men and how they are supposed to do things. But I am not sure anyone should ever insist that everyone else is like them too.

As far as the sexism goes on this site, or this thread... let's look at it from this perspective: It's almost always about being politically correct. I see it in the real world, and I know from reading on here that others have fallen victim to being politically incorrect... which to me is the equivalent of saying the thing that everyone else would wish they could say, but don't due to the backlash it would likely have.


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15 Jul 2014, 7:40 pm

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The rape and assault numbers shocked me, too, when I first started hearing them, and I thought they were insane, must have been made up. It took years for me to actually pay attention and notice -- oh hey! I'm in those stats! -- and that many of my friends were, as well, and that's when I realized...yeah, these numbers could actually make sense. It's just that when you're assaulted, you know, most people don't want to go around thinking of themselves as an assault or rape victim, or minimize it in their own lives, or find reasons to blame themselves or decide it wasn't *really* rape, especially if there isn't someone to talk to about it. Plus the pressure not to accuse a guy of sexual assault -- you know, did he really do anything so bad, can't you just drop it? It becomes very...ordinary. So I'm not surprised that so many young men felt that forcing themselves on a woman was just ordinary, too.


That's what I found interesting, is that the reverse is probably true too. These men probably do not think of themselves as rapists, even when they admit to forcing women to have sex with them. It may take a while for both victim and perpetrator to realise that it really is rape. It wasn't mentioned in the study but I got the feeling most of these guys got away with it too. They were in college so I assume they were not in jail.
When I post this study I think I'll do it in the adult forum.



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15 Jul 2014, 7:50 pm

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The rape and assault numbers shocked me, too, when I first started hearing them, and I thought they were insane, must have been made up. It took years for me to actually pay attention and notice -- oh hey! I'm in those stats! -- and that many of my friends were, as well, and that's when I realized...yeah, these numbers could actually make sense. It's just that when you're assaulted, you know, most people don't want to go around thinking of themselves as an assault or rape victim, or minimize it in their own lives, or find reasons to blame themselves or decide it wasn't *really* rape, especially if there isn't someone to talk to about it. Plus the pressure not to accuse a guy of sexual assault -- you know, did he really do anything so bad, can't you just drop it? It becomes very...ordinary. So I'm not surprised that so many young men felt that forcing themselves on a woman was just ordinary, too.


That's what I found interesting, is that the reverse is probably true too. These men probably do not think of themselves as rapists, even when they admit to forcing women to have sex with them. It may take a while for both victim and perpetrator to realise that it really is rape. It wasn't mentioned in the study but I got the feeling most of these guys got away with it too. They were in college so I assume they were not in jail.
When I post this study I think I'll do it in the adult forum.


the mental gymnastics that some people (men and women both) do to avoid having to confront the reality of their own behaviour has never ceased to astound me in life. it's one of our specialties as a species, imo.



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15 Jul 2014, 8:38 pm

Isn't the elephant in the room in this thread sex, though. People want to have sex with other people. It is a natural and good thing. I've been doing an experiment the past few days as a result of things I've read on here - whenever I pass a man on the street (and I walk quite a bit - no car) I make a point of looking them directly in the eye and smiling as we pass. So far the lesser percentage have ignored me, the majority have smiled back at me and nodded or said hi, as did I. Not yet has anyone done anything inappropriate or even tried to start a conversation. I am going to continue with this experiment. I think some variables include my age and the demographics of where I live. But still my experience is valid.



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15 Jul 2014, 9:08 pm

When I was a young man, often other males would tease and pick asking if i was gay or something because I never was seen with a girl friend or the like. and it seems many women prefer a man that has been in relationships before, as if, if he had not there must be something wrong with him. and many times women seems to not be comfortable with single men being around when they are not single them selves. and many times other males looks at me strangely when I try and make peer friends yet have no women in my life, as if their wondering if I am gay.

On dating sites, one of the things I notice is how long many of the women state their relationships last, often wondering if they cant seem to be able to work on making their relationships last and so jump from one relationship to the next and when it fails blame it on the male, or they simply repeatedly make bad choices as if attracted to the abusive kinds of mates. its the ones that seems to have been in longer lasting commitments before that I am more drawn too.

There is lots of pressure on males to have a woman in their lives,


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15 Jul 2014, 9:11 pm

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Isn't the elephant in the room in this thread sex, though. People want to have sex with other people. It is a natural and good thing. I've been doing an experiment the past few days as a result of things I've read on here - whenever I pass a man on the street (and I walk quite a bit - no car) I make a point of looking them directly in the eye and smiling as we pass. So far the lesser percentage have ignored me, the majority have smiled back at me and nodded or said hi, as did I. Not yet has anyone done anything inappropriate or even tried to start a conversation. I am going to continue with this experiment. I think some variables include my age and the demographics of where I live. But still my experience is valid.


Ann, you're going to get a guy following you, if you keep that up. Do you have a plan for what you'll do, then?



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Isn't the elephant in the room in this thread sex, though. People want to have sex with other people. It is a natural and good thing. I've been doing an experiment the past few days as a result of things I've read on here - whenever I pass a man on the street (and I walk quite a bit - no car) I make a point of looking them directly in the eye and smiling as we pass. So far the lesser percentage have ignored me, the majority have smiled back at me and nodded or said hi, as did I. Not yet has anyone done anything inappropriate or even tried to start a conversation. I am going to continue with this experiment. I think some variables include my age and the demographics of where I live. But still my experience is valid.


Ann, you're going to get a guy following you, if you keep that up. Do you have a plan for what you'll do, then?


Geese, I wish it was that easy to get a woman interested in me, and here your going off as it its a bad thing!


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Isn't the elephant in the room in this thread sex, though. People want to have sex with other people. It is a natural and good thing. I've been doing an experiment the past few days as a result of things I've read on here - whenever I pass a man on the street (and I walk quite a bit - no car) I make a point of looking them directly in the eye and smiling as we pass. So far the lesser percentage have ignored me, the majority have smiled back at me and nodded or said hi, as did I. Not yet has anyone done anything inappropriate or even tried to start a conversation. I am going to continue with this experiment. I think some variables include my age and the demographics of where I live. But still my experience is valid.


Ann, you're going to get a guy following you, if you keep that up. Do you have a plan for what you'll do, then?

Well, I'm in a good neighbourhood so I'm not that worried. Also it is well populated, so any fuss on my part would draw a lot of attention. Plus I would kick his ass. :wink:



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Isn't the elephant in the room in this thread sex, though. People want to have sex with other people. It is a natural and good thing. I've been doing an experiment the past few days as a result of things I've read on here - whenever I pass a man on the street (and I walk quite a bit - no car) I make a point of looking them directly in the eye and smiling as we pass. So far the lesser percentage have ignored me, the majority have smiled back at me and nodded or said hi, as did I. Not yet has anyone done anything inappropriate or even tried to start a conversation. I am going to continue with this experiment. I think some variables include my age and the demographics of where I live. But still my experience is valid.


Ann, you're going to get a guy following you, if you keep that up. Do you have a plan for what you'll do, then?


Geese, I wish it was that easy to get a woman interested in me, and here your going off as it its a bad thing!


The kind of guy who follows women because he figures they're giving him the eye? Yeah...not such a great thing.



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15 Jul 2014, 9:28 pm

Here in Colorado, everyone pretty much smiles and says "hi' to whoever they walk by.



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15 Jul 2014, 9:34 pm

Well anyhowz, to me it just seems to damned hard to get a womans attentions anymore, so i pretty much given up on the idea. so unless a woman shows interest I do not even bother anymore.


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Isn't the elephant in the room in this thread sex, though. People want to have sex with other people. It is a natural and good thing. I've been doing an experiment the past few days as a result of things I've read on here - whenever I pass a man on the street (and I walk quite a bit - no car) I make a point of looking them directly in the eye and smiling as we pass. So far the lesser percentage have ignored me, the majority have smiled back at me and nodded or said hi, as did I. Not yet has anyone done anything inappropriate or even tried to start a conversation. I am going to continue with this experiment. I think some variables include my age and the demographics of where I live. But still my experience is valid.


Ann, you're going to get a guy following you, if you keep that up. Do you have a plan for what you'll do, then?


I don't think it makes any difference at all. The creeps who bother women don't need any encouragement, they have already decided they don't care about other people's boundaries. The men who smile back are probably decent gentlemen anyway, most of them. It's the men who force themselves on women who are dangerous, I think they mostly do it on their own initiative and not because the women prompted them or made eyecontact with them.