WHAT ARE YOUR DEAL BREAKERS WHEN IT COMES TO RELATIONSHIPS?

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13 Sep 2015, 8:46 pm

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If we don't think similar than how are we supposed to ever get along.


From an objective perspective, if you wanted a significant other relationship where both parties think with greater similarity, homosexuality/lesbianism makes more sense....
And of course asexuality/asexuality...

One of the annoying things about being heterosexual is being attracted to the opposite gender which inherently thinks differently...
If humanity was predominantly hermaphroditic, this "dilemma" would not be in existence...

Those who enjoy the mindset differences and consider it complementary could "yin and yang"...
Those who prefer homogeneity could be much more easily satisfied also...
More hermaphrodites please... ;)


Except some attributes transcend gender and those are the things I'm talking about. Things like their cultural values of right and wrong and religion and what not. I obviously don't expect any girl I try to date to think like a man. Once again taking what I say out of context, if you want to make a point you can make it without using the cutting tool on my words. Use your own words.

The old saying, opposites attract is a lode of garbage, the only person who is truly different than you that you'll attract
is a nemesis. Just about all relationships that are built on a house of cards and not a solid foundation of sameness are doomed to fail. Why do you think divorce rates are so high, because people were culturally pressured into getting married to soon and usually end up with someone they aren't actually compatible with.



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13 Sep 2015, 9:27 pm

Pepe wrote:
From an objective perspective, if you wanted a significant other relationship where both parties think with greater similarity, homosexuality/lesbianism makes more sense....
And of course asexuality/asexuality...

One of the annoying things about being heterosexual is being attracted to the opposite gender which inherently thinks differently...


Gender and/or sexual orientation doesn't determine how a person thinks.



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13 Sep 2015, 9:41 pm

dianthus wrote:
Pepe wrote:
From an objective perspective, if you wanted a significant other relationship where both parties think with greater similarity, homosexuality/lesbianism makes more sense....
And of course asexuality/asexuality...

One of the annoying things about being heterosexual is being attracted to the opposite gender which inherently thinks differently...


Gender and/or sexual orientation doesn't determine how a person thinks.


Agreed, it's just basic programming, the rest is up to the individual.



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13 Sep 2015, 10:42 pm

every time I think of james Carville and mary matalin together, I just don't grok how they do it, you can't find a more opposite pair of folk on the planet.



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14 Sep 2015, 12:50 am

Feyokien wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Feyokien wrote:
If we don't think similar than how are we supposed to ever get along.


From an objective perspective, if you wanted a significant other relationship where both parties think with greater similarity, homosexuality/lesbianism makes more sense....
And of course asexuality/asexuality...

One of the annoying things about being heterosexual is being attracted to the opposite gender which inherently thinks differently...
If humanity was predominantly hermaphroditic, this "dilemma" would not be in existence...

Those who enjoy the mindset differences and consider it complementary could "yin and yang"...
Those who prefer homogeneity could be much more easily satisfied also...
More hermaphrodites please... ;)


Except some attributes transcend gender and those are the things I'm talking about. Things like their cultural values of right and wrong and religion and what not. I obviously don't expect any girl I try to date to think like a man. Once again taking what I say out of context, if you want to make a point you can make it without using the cutting tool on my words. Use your own words.



If you though I was arguing, that isn't the case...
What I often do is contribute/add-to and engage in concept building...

The reason I edit out is to keep what is relevant to my reply...
This won't change sorry...
If I took your comment out of your context, I apologies...
It happens all the time in casual "conversations"... :wink:

Regarding what I consider similar:

Probably the main problem I have with significant romantic/sexual relationships is that being heterosexual, my major involvement involved women who were excessively emotional and manipulative...go figure...
I would have prefer to have found someone who enjoyed greater reasoning, but I didn't/don't get around much...

It may surprise you but I too value a similar outlook philosophically and culturally.
I am sorry if I gave you the impression I was more two dimensional than I am... :wink:



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14 Sep 2015, 1:04 am

Pepe wrote:
Feyokien wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Feyokien wrote:
If we don't think similar than how are we supposed to ever get along.


From an objective perspective, if you wanted a significant other relationship where both parties think with greater similarity, homosexuality/lesbianism makes more sense....
And of course asexuality/asexuality...

One of the annoying things about being heterosexual is being attracted to the opposite gender which inherently thinks differently...
If humanity was predominantly hermaphroditic, this "dilemma" would not be in existence...

Those who enjoy the mindset differences and consider it complementary could "yin and yang"...
Those who prefer homogeneity could be much more easily satisfied also...
More hermaphrodites please... ;)


Except some attributes transcend gender and those are the things I'm talking about. Things like their cultural values of right and wrong and religion and what not. I obviously don't expect any girl I try to date to think like a man. Once again taking what I say out of context, if you want to make a point you can make it without using the cutting tool on my words. Use your own words.



If you though I was arguing, that isn't the case...
What I often do is contribute/add-to and engage in concept building...

The reason I edit out is to keep what is relevant to my reply...
This won't change sorry...
If I took your comment out of your context, I apologies...
It happens all the time in casual "conversations"... :wink:

Regarding what I consider similar:

Probably the main problem I have with significant romantic/sexual relationships is that being heterosexual, my major involvement involved women who were excessively emotional and manipulative...go figure...
I would have prefer to have found someone who enjoyed greater reasoning, but I didn't/don't get around much...

It may surprise you but I too value a similar outlook philosophically and culturally.
I am sorry if I gave you the impression I was more two dimensional than I am... :wink:


I apologize, I don't know why I interpreted that as an attack at all..... :?
I don't think being the same sex or gender will better solve relationship issues though. About the only thing sex and gender do predetermine is how someone feels sexual impulses. Everything else that can be perceived as different is just a cultural construct that can be deconstructed. Actually in a sense, even gender can be deconstructed, it's just a product of the culture.



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14 Sep 2015, 1:06 am

dianthus wrote:
Pepe wrote:
From an objective perspective, if you wanted a significant other relationship where both parties think with greater similarity, homosexuality/lesbianism makes more sense....
And of course asexuality/asexuality...

One of the annoying things about being heterosexual is being attracted to the opposite gender which inherently thinks differently...


Gender and/or sexual orientation doesn't determine how a person thinks.


This hasn't been my experience *subjectively*...
That is simply the way it was...
Perhaps I needed to get out more...

*Objectively* I think you would be hard pressed to defend the concept that men and women don't have a different mindset...
There are a gazillion examples how women are a more emotionally intelligent gender, for example...
And no, it is not all about social indoctrination/programming, imo...

Women mature more quickly than men...
Women generally have better communication skills than men...
Women tend to be more nurturing while men tend to be "hunters" and "warriors"...
The evolutionary process has had a very great influence on who we are today...



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14 Sep 2015, 1:19 am

Pepe wrote:
dianthus wrote:
Pepe wrote:
From an objective perspective, if you wanted a significant other relationship where both parties think with greater similarity, homosexuality/lesbianism makes more sense....
And of course asexuality/asexuality...

One of the annoying things about being heterosexual is being attracted to the opposite gender which inherently thinks differently...


Gender and/or sexual orientation doesn't determine how a person thinks.


This hasn't been my experience *subjectively*...
That is simply the way it was...
Perhaps I needed to get out more...

*Objectively* I think you would be hard pressed to defend the concept that men and women don't have a different mindset...
There are a gazillion examples how women are a more emotionally intelligent gender, for example...
And no, it is not all about social indoctrination/programming, imo...

Women mature more quickly than men...
Women generally have better communication skills than men...
Women tend to be more nurturing while men tend to be "hunters" and "warriors"...
The evolutionary process has had a very great influence on who we are today...


I've addressed that though, I might have worded something at some point that makes you think contrary to that, sorry I'm tired. Yes I agree with you, there are some inherent differences in how the different biological sexes function, what you listed basically, it's seen in most animals that have strong sexual selection. And I think we both value the necessity of similarity in higher thought processes like cultural ideals, though we differ from our own experiences whether women can actually have similar higher thought processes.



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14 Sep 2015, 3:29 am

Feyokien wrote:
dianthus wrote:
Pepe wrote:
From an objective perspective, if you wanted a significant other relationship where both parties think with greater similarity, homosexuality/lesbianism makes more sense....
And of course asexuality/asexuality...

One of the annoying things about being heterosexual is being attracted to the opposite gender which inherently thinks differently...


Gender and/or sexual orientation doesn't determine how a person thinks.


Agreed, it's just basic programming, the rest is up to the individual.


Asexuality does. It's linked to other ND traits in the relationship area so does give a good hint of having certain ND traits.



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14 Sep 2015, 4:06 am

I hate everything I've said in this thread the only deal breaker there is for me is if they actually understand and accept me and I understand them and accept them.



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14 Sep 2015, 4:24 am

IMHO if two people are not on the same wavelength, nothing else matters, that in itself is the big deal breaker and all the particulars are just so much noise. :idea:



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14 Sep 2015, 4:41 am

auntblabby wrote:
IMHO if two people are not on the same wavelength, nothing else matters, that in itself is the big deal breaker and all the particulars are just so much noise. :idea:


Yeah, it's the only thing that matters. What sucks is it's the best and most valid standard to have in terms of relationship compatibility, but someone like that is so hard. 7 billion people on the planet and you'll still have extreme difficulty finding someone and even if you do, they're most likely hundreds of miles away.



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14 Sep 2015, 4:47 am

almost nobody is on my wavelength. and I can't seem to adjust my own wavelength to match anybody else for any length of time. :|



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14 Sep 2015, 8:10 am

Feyokien wrote:
I hate everything I've said in this thread the only deal breaker there is for me is if they actually understand and accept me and I understand them and accept them.


Aw, I liked what you wrote. It's important to have similar spiritual beliefs, value and ethics.



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14 Sep 2015, 8:11 am

dianthus wrote:
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I hate everything I've said in this thread the only deal breaker there is for me is if they actually understand and accept me and I understand them and accept them.


Aw, I liked what you wrote. It's important to have similar spiritual beliefs, value and ethics.


Why? Most cultural things are just random stuff in order to create groups. I see no reason why any of that is important.



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14 Sep 2015, 8:23 am

I don't hate what I said about having common characteristics. I just felt like I got forced into that long drawn out crap with Pepe and said a lot of things I'd have rather not said.

Last time I checked, someones cultural beliefs are vitally important to the stability of the relationship. Gender roles and the existence or lack of them. How to raise potential children. What you'll teach those children about religion/spirituality and what you expect out of your partner religiously. And supposed "lack" of culture is a culture all on it's own too.