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08 May 2016, 6:01 pm

I think moving the problem to the Haven is a bad idea, its atmosphere would change if it had to be moderated more strictly, which might have an indirect censoring effect on how other people post in that sub forum. How about a mod edit to the problem thread titles in L&D indicating that they are a reoccurring rant?



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08 May 2016, 6:01 pm

Jono wrote:
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So if under your proposed scheme we can ask for advice on attracting someone does that nullify your earlier point that we can only post if we're already dating someone and already in love with someone?
Rants are unproductive for everyone. Venting negative feelings is bad for the listener and bad for the speaker. That's why they belong in the Haven. There it is expected that negative emotions are getting the best of you.
I didn't ask about rants. Supposing I want advice on how to attract women?
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....You cannot post on how to date other people because that would lead to sweeping generalizations about the opposite sex. What attracts one person may repel another. /sarcasm

Advice on how to attract women is a waste of time. Women are not a multi-headed hydra. Such questions do lead to sweeping generalizations.


You are forgetting one thing here. Talking to, meeting and dating women still requires social skills which have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what individual women like or don't like. Asperger's or high functioning autism practically by definition, is a disorder which inhibits social skills and therefore people with it have to learn it explicitly. Therefore, such advice on how to talk to women or how to attract them is still needed, for example in how to not come off as creepy or asking at the wrong times etc and actually very far from a waste of time. That's also like saying that asking for advice on how to best present yourself on a dating profile is a waste of time. People may have different tastes but how you come off to other people also counts.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Hunting for a partner is counter productive.



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08 May 2016, 6:04 pm

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i'm also in the camp that allows people freedom of expression...however, i think there should be a sub forum, let's call it 'The Boxing Ring' for the sake of this post...no moderation in there, anything goes, enter at your own peril and no reporting of posters/comments in there allowed...meanwhile the rest of the forum is policed meticulously.

this would allow for a supportive and nurturing environment in the majority of the forum, with a clear understanding that The Boxing Ring is the place to go to duke it out.


this is a feature on quite a few other forums, i'm not sure how well it works over there but i worry about the bludgeoning and sparring spilling out in to the more civilized fora, as it often does here. IMO, a completely new forum with a completely new tone may be a stretch for now, but at least people who gripe here about the rules "restricting" their debate tactics would be able to let it out. very mixed bag.


agreed. it is indeed a mixed bag idea, however, possibly a trial to see how it works? in my experience any sites i have been on where this is a feature appears to inhibit squabbling, rather than the reverse. with that said, going by some posters here, i think an opportunity to actually air things out would be beneficial.

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I remember that incident. Apparently the phrase "get a girlfriend" was turning women into objects. Just... just no. Lol. Whoever it was that made the big deal over that was clearly someone who belongs on an "ignore all posts" list.


I have sent you an ignore list, there's an ignore list circulating among men in pms.


pointless, incendiary and tasteless post.

the purpose of posting an inflammatory remark like this on this thread, is? if you really must engage in this type of puerile behaviour (ignore list circulating amongst the men? seriously? you for real?) this comment could not have been sent privately via PM, or was the point to be passive-offensive? how exactly, does this comment address the point of the thread?

even worse to me is the fact that this blatant bit of rudeness, wasn't deemed worthy of comment by other posters.

that said, your comments get better 8O

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But venting or ranting about difficulties related to love, dating or a relationship is a love topic, those don't necessarily include "women are...".

What is this nonsense?


really? REALLY? on a thread where opinions are sought, you would DARE to demean someone else's contribution by calling it "nonsense?"

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and let's have PPR for women and PPR for men, General Autism for women, GA for men...etc.

Seriously? Is this a public toilet?

Let's go full Sharia on this forum :lol:


here you go again! i'm all for freedom of expression but with that comes responsibilities...among other things it's called having some common decency and manners. if an opinion is expressed that you disagree with, fair enough, but, to ridicule, belittle, misconstrue and exaggerate another's opinions and views is surely part of the problem that everyone is discussing here?

or is L&D your personal playground and i didn't get the memo?

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So let get this straight people are complaining about negative cynical threads, yet suggesting draconian measures equally as cynical and generalist.

As a posted illustrated before here is no definable answer, so the best policy is the marketplace of ideas. If an idea doesn't have merit, then sunlight is the best disinfectant. Having just one PC narrative isn't going to provide much practical advice.

This is thread is making a mountain out of a molehill.

As long term user of the forum, I don't think L&D has ever been better. I remember complaining about silly resentment when it was much worse than this. However I was criticising their ideas. I don't see the need prevent people from discussing issues just becuase of it. How is that meant to challenge attitudes?

We can't all live in hermetically sealed bubbles or echo chambers. That is not smart.


agreed.



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08 May 2016, 6:09 pm

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We'll have to agree to disagree. Hunting for a partner is counter productive.



Counter-productive if you don't want a partner that is. If nobody hunted for a partner then nobody would ever have a partner, not even a bf/gf let alone get married. The whole idea about dating is hunting for a partner. But suit yourself then.



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08 May 2016, 6:11 pm

Don't address me boofle, I don't want to speak with you.



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08 May 2016, 6:14 pm

I think Boo reviewing all the threads on the first page was a good way to help us identify the problem and how big a problem it is. If you were to judge just from the first page, anything that has gotten too out of hand was dealt with accordingly, although people will lead you to believe otherwise.

Yes, there are means in which this subfofum could be better moderated but it's not that bad. I suppose if you lived here all day and did nothing but try and win arguments in empty rooms against your ego-rival or the gender you dislike, then yes you will believe this is a bad place and your bubble that you live in could be popped.

I think some sensible ideas have been discussed here. Some ludicrous ones. And a lot of off topic ego-wars in between. At this point I think it is best to leave it up to Alex and the moderators to determine amongst themselves how "serious" the issues are for mods in L&D and for us to take a back seat.

I don't know about you guys, but I normally come in here just because of the drama and I imagine many others visit for the same reason. The people who shout the loudest here tend to be the most entertaining people, at times because their mindset is too extreme to work in real world situations and at other times because the generalisations made or uber-liberal karma-chasing are worthy of The Onion or College Humor. Nonetheless, these people should be allowed to air their views, and the mods should have the right to apply the house rules onto them. This as far as I can see is happening already so I therefore fail to see the big deal everyone is making.

Believe it or not, this is just a sub forum, in a main forum, out of millions of forums on the Internet, and even if we limit our scope to WrongPlanet, we're not a big deal. I think everyone just needs to get over themselves, give the mods less work to do and maybe apply a couple of minor changes if need be.


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08 May 2016, 6:18 pm

Amity wrote:
I think moving the problem to the Haven is a bad idea, its atmosphere would change if it had to be moderated more strictly, which might have an indirect censoring effect on how other people post in that sub forum. How about a mod edit to the problem thread titles in L&D indicating that they are a reoccurring rant?


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But I guess you already know that. :jester:



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08 May 2016, 6:19 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Don't address me boofle, I don't want to speak with you.

LOL boo I have to say "I'm not not talking to you, don't address/reply to me" remind me of certain users who have tried that tactic becuase they don't want their post to be criticised.

I'm kind of surprised you are going that route. I have no problem with you ignoring people though, I jsut don't get why you are taking issue with people quoting you. You can't control that.



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08 May 2016, 6:20 pm

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Don't address me boofle, I don't want to speak with you.



awww shucks...how will i ever recover from this crushing blow? :mrgreen:



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08 May 2016, 6:20 pm

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Don't address me boofle, I don't want to speak with you.

LOL boo I have to say "I'm not not talking to you, don't address/reply to me" remind me of certain users who have tried that tactic becuase they don't want their post to be criticised.

I'm kind of surprised you are going that route. I have no problem with you ignoring people though, I jsut don't get why you are taking issue with people quoting you. You can't control that.

Neither can you...
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08 May 2016, 6:22 pm

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I think Boo reviewing all the threads on the first page was a good way to help us identify the problem and how big a problem it is. If you were to judge just from the first page, anything that has gotten too out of hand was dealt with accordingly, although people will lead you to believe otherwise.

Yes, there are means in which this subfofum could be better moderated but it's not that bad. I suppose if you lived here all day and did nothing but try and win arguments in empty rooms against your ego-rival or the gender you dislike, then yes you will believe this is a bad place and your bubble that you live in could be popped.


I agree and that was smart of boo to compile that. It is basically what we have been sayign all along.



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08 May 2016, 6:22 pm

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We'll have to agree to disagree. Hunting for a partner is counter productive.
Maybe it's counterproductive for you but it's productive for many other people so stop making sweeping generalisations.

Trust me that I don't find anyone unless I look. Waiting to bump into someone works for some but not for al so to say your way is the only way that works is a gross generalisation of the whole human race.

This is is supposed to be an inclusive place for people on the ASD so to have a sweeping rule that excludes most of the ASD population is contrary to the goals and principles of the forum.

Also aspies are as different from each other as they are from NTs so to make the conform to a narrow box of strict rules would be harmful in the extreme.

Remember that aspies already have to put up with people trying to make them into something they're not in the real world so why do that here as well?

If you try to create a safe space for someone you might be taking a safe space away from someone else. To say that we all need a strict set of rules is a generalisation.


L&D is a place for people to learn, not a place for people to be controlled by strict idealogues. This is not a place for you to play your power games.

To say that all single people without a specific crush are bad is also a generalisation that harms both men and women.

The L&D board is a place to give and receive relationship advice, it is not a place for people to start debates about gender politics. If that's what you want go to the PPR board.


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08 May 2016, 6:23 pm

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Don't address me boofle, I don't want to speak with you.

LOL boo I have to say "I'm not not talking to you, don't address/reply to me" remind me of certain users who have tried that tactic becuase they don't want their post to be criticised.

I'm kind of surprised you are going that route. I have no problem with you ignoring people though, I jsut don't get why you are taking issue with people quoting you. You can't control that.


Sometimes you learn something good from your foes ;).

And yes, I can control it, if they keep bugging me, I just ask them to leave me alone, if they keep at it, then I report their posts.



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08 May 2016, 6:27 pm

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I think Boo reviewing all the threads on the first page was a good way to help us identify the problem and how big a problem it is. If you were to judge just from the first page, anything that has gotten too out of hand was dealt with accordingly, although people will lead you to believe otherwise.

Yes, there are means in which this subfofum could be better moderated but it's not that bad. I suppose if you lived here all day and did nothing but try and win arguments in empty rooms against your ego-rival or the gender you dislike, then yes you will believe this is a bad place and your bubble that you live in could be popped.


I agree and that was smart of boo to compile that. It is basically what we have been sayign all along.


I complied to proof how much the problem is exaggerated hyperbolically.

I guess even alex doesn't realize that, he is not active as a user in this forum, so I bet he is forming his opinion based on what some others are telling him, and I bet those others are the same ones who stir drama the most.

I am afraid that alex is being misinformed by others, receiving hyperbolic rumors.

But my list of threads is an objective sample, I hope alex will consider it.



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08 May 2016, 6:31 pm

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Don't address me boofle, I don't want to speak with you.



awww shucks...how will i ever recover from this crushing blow? :mrgreen:



:roll:


Don't speak with me, next time you do it and I report you for harrassement.



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08 May 2016, 6:37 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Don't address me boofle, I don't want to speak with you.



awww shucks...how will i ever recover from this crushing blow? :mrgreen:



:roll:


Don't speak with me, next time you do it and I report you for harrassement.


Ok boo I get why you are doing this to make a point about those that might use this tactic. However the better point in this thread was about "serious issues" being exaggerated, which you have provided evidence.

I would save this for another thread, maybe approach differently. So that you get clearer messages in each.