Why its too late for me
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Likewise, there is no consensus on what causes autism. Whether its purely genetic or triggered by environmental factors is unclear. Perhaps severity of symptoms is influenced by environmental factors during infancy, but the presence of autism is still genetically innate.
Point is there's no evidence that ASD is any less innate than sexual orientation.
I maintain that psychologically comorbidities like depression and anxiety can be illuminated if society stops treating autistic children as defective undesirables.
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Sexual orientation & gender are innate; most likely determined by hormone levels in the womb during fetal development.
Autism isn't necessarily innate. I've proven it by treating my ASD symptoms for the last decade. There may also be multiple causes of ASD, or rather, there likely are - and that's why it's such a large spectrum and many have GI issues and chemical sensitivities and some do not.
I'm sure you're familiar with the fact that autism causes anti-social behaviours. Why should society accept unacceptable behaviours?
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Nothing is proven to cure autism. Your symptoms going away could be just as well temporary change in tolerance with exposure to stimuli. You have no indication you are cured, brain scans and treatment that works for a bigger scale of people and does not reverse with ceasing treatment. Treated disease is not cured unless there are permanent changes that will not be reversed and not need further treatment to maintain.
There's this medicine that stimulates coma patients aware brain and accident patients until the tissue is recovered and they actually wake up into awareness and slowly recover their functions after like 7 years of treatment. It doesn't actually reverse into coma or decrease. Brain scans are far different across the years following treatment. Treating the symptom does not cure the cause. Were you able to fix all of your symptoms with the same thing? Like anxiety, strong stimulus, non automatic reading of people, the way your thinking is wired as opposed to NT or black sheepness, having obsessive special interests, autistic hyperfocus or blank out in the street, awkward posture, fidgeting and stimming, repetition, following the same track and resistance to change, odd dress code and inability to fit in and be admired, upper street smarts or emotional intel?
I’ve been making the same posts telling my truth for the last ~10 years. It’s growing tiresome repeating myself.
I’ve never claimed to be cured. What I have figured out is a highly effective treatment protocol that I use to maintain myself and manage/minimize my symptoms.
Yes, the full range of my symptoms via one treatment protocol. It’s why I have friends, a career, money, a sex life etc etc that I never would have had had my AS symptoms remained life crippling as they were 10+ years ago.
Oh it's my interpretation of your word 'cure' because it usually means literally cure. I don't know how i missed you labeling autistic behavior as anti-social as it's actually socially awkward the word you're looking for. Why... You're waking up all the grammar nazis.
Recently (~1 year ago) you said you are avoiding relationships because you can't do them.
How would you have known had your symptoms remained you would not be the same from a social standpoint at least? Can it really be worse socially if it still makes you avoid? It seems that the environment was changed to fit you, it's an adjustment.
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I am so sorry OP. Have you had only the 1 relationship? If you’ve had more than the one, have they all been abusive? That is really hard. If they haven’t all been abusive, we’re there any commonalities between the non abusive ones? Where did you meet them? what kind of people were they? How did you make the connection? This might give you clues to a strategy. But if you are feeling sad, you should give yourself permission to feel that. It’s totally understandable! Dating is so hard, especially with ASD.
HM, I wouldn’t take the word of one person and generalize to all people. It is generally true though.
I did try online dating. But in the ten years I was active on just about every dating site you can think of, only 5 women agreed to meet me. Of those, 4 lost all interest immediately after going out with me once. One went out with me on a second date, but there was just no chemistry and it led to nothing
Online dating is really cutthroat. Men really have to chase hard and get a ton of rejection, women have to contend with constant sexual harassment and guys just looking to use you for sex. There’s got to be a better way! I usually meet guys at work, which has its own problems, tbh. Or another good place is at school. Taking a personal development or university class (lots of older people take uni classes in my area). School is great because smarts are valued in educational environemtnsm and you seem quite bright. I take classes as a “special student” without being enrolled in a program. It’s inexpensive where I live but might not be in USA. Just some ideas, but not trying to suggest you just need to “try harder” you’ve no spdoubt BEEN trying.
Anyhow, I just wanted to say that I am sorry you are having a tough time. <3
I am so sorry OP. Have you had only the 1 relationship? If you’ve had more than the one, have they all been abusive? That is really hard. If they haven’t all been abusive, we’re there any commonalities between the non abusive ones? Where did you meet them? what kind of people were they? How did you make the connection? This might give you clues to a strategy. But if you are feeling sad, you should give yourself permission to feel that. It’s totally understandable! Dating is so hard, especially with ASD.
Only the one. We met when I was in undergrad. I was not attracted to her and did not find anything about her appealing. I only dated her out of desperation because she was the only woman who ever wanted to be with me. That relationship ended over 13 years ago, and I have not met any other woman who wanted to be with me in all the years since then.
All the women where I work are married or in relationships. I just graduated from grad school, and all the women I had classes with in the past 3 years were all married as well.
You're just going have to start finding women over age 33 to be appealing to you. Objectively, even when I was younger, I found many women over their mid-30's to be appealing.
I was lucky older women appealed to me when I was younger.
I've seen women in their 20's with wrinkles, crow's feet, etc., and I've seen women in their 60's without wrinkles, crow's feet, etc.
I'm 61, and I've just started getting crow's feet.
Only basic social skills can be taught. Liking knowing when to say "please" or "thank you". Understanding things like eye contact, body language, tone and intonation of voice may slightly improve after a lifetime of experience, but will never approach the level neurotypicals instinctively operate on. Neurotypical children have to be taught to say please and thank you, but not how to understand unconscious social cues that convey happiness, excitement, disinterest, sadness, anger, or disgust. Then there's the issue of stimming, which most of us cannot mask without experiencing heightened anxiety. And neurotypicals will never make any effort to even meet us halfway; we are fully expected to do all the work so that they don't have to feel inconvenienced by our existence.
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If only someone here had figured out how to treat their ASD symptoms and then shared how-to with the forum for the last decade.. if only - if only there were something others could try to see if it in fact had positive life changing affects on their social, work, love and sex lives.
If only..
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Depression, social anxiety, or PTSD can be treated; but autism itself cannot. Lacking the ability to understand a process neurotypical social rules is a symptom of autism itself, and nothing can be done about it.
Fake news!
I've been doing it and sharing about it here for the last ~10 years. Literally cannot tell me it isn't possible for I've been doing it.
You think it's by mere coincidence and wishful thinking that I've gone from extreme ASD struggles, spinning my wheels, too bogged down with AS, ADHD, OCD/tourettes symptoms, sky high anxiety & audio sensitivity, extreme executive dysfunction, crippling anxiety and chronic fatigue symptoms, dyspraxia to the point of having difficulty tying my own shoes (amongst other comborbidities I'm sure I'm forgetting) to being productive, learning a trade, building a solid social life and friend network, attending massive parties - and working at several as well ????
No. This is not coincidental. I figured out the root cause of my symptoms and how to treat them naturally via diet/supplements and other means and have been sharing about what has brought me such life changing success ever since. It's been a while since I first shared all that and there have been medical studies published that back up everything I've learned and shared right down to the chemical sensitivities.
I also shared about a 12month old infant that was destined to grow up with ASD, but, thanks to my intervention, for less than $100 worth of food/supplements, that path was avoided and he's now a happy healthy normal neurotypical 10 year old boy - definitely the greatest achievement of my life to date.
Actually treating and controlling symptoms results in these social things coming more naturally and intuitively vs. trying to force yourself to learn and do them. The things I've learned and done seem to "turn on," the social circuitry and get it actually working for me. I highly suspect that it will do the same for many others who put in the work to try it - perhaps not everyone; but my estimate remains at 70% based on the medical study fact that 70% of us share the same chemical sensitivity to certain food acids. This is not nonsense - it's science, it's medicine.
No, I'm not a medical doctor and have never claimed to be. But I am on the spectrum and Know what's worked for me - hence sharing it here with others for the last decade. Check back in in another decade - never know - I might be a medical doctor.. depends if I can make the grade and get accepted. But thanks to the effectiveness of my own treatment protocol, financial constraints to attending university again long term are slowly being eroded as this calendar year I will be back up over six figures in the black - well on my way to being able to afford to take part time classes and then eventually make the shift to full time school with part time work - but that bit of my story is for another thread topic entirely. The point of this post is that what you just stated to be fact.. I Know is not.
Which diet/regimen did you follow?
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Only basic social skills can be taught. Liking knowing when to say "please" or "thank you". Understanding things like eye contact, body language, tone and intonation of voice may slightly improve after a lifetime of experience, but will never approach the level neurotypicals instinctively operate on. Neurotypical children have to be taught to say please and thank you, but not how to understand unconscious social cues that convey happiness, excitement, disinterest, sadness, anger, or disgust. Then there's the issue of stimming, which most of us cannot mask without experiencing heightened anxiety. And neurotypicals will never make any effort to even meet us halfway; we are fully expected to do all the work so that they don't have to feel inconvenienced by our existence.
![chin :chin:](./images/smilies/chin.gif)
If only someone here had figured out how to treat their ASD symptoms and then shared how-to with the forum for the last decade.. if only - if only there were something others could try to see if it in fact had positive life changing affects on their social, work, love and sex lives.
If only..
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Depression, social anxiety, or PTSD can be treated; but autism itself cannot. Lacking the ability to understand a process neurotypical social rules is a symptom of autism itself, and nothing can be done about it.
Fake news!
I've been doing it and sharing about it here for the last ~10 years. Literally cannot tell me it isn't possible for I've been doing it.
You think it's by mere coincidence and wishful thinking that I've gone from extreme ASD struggles, spinning my wheels, too bogged down with AS, ADHD, OCD/tourettes symptoms, sky high anxiety & audio sensitivity, extreme executive dysfunction, crippling anxiety and chronic fatigue symptoms, dyspraxia to the point of having difficulty tying my own shoes (amongst other comborbidities I'm sure I'm forgetting) to being productive, learning a trade, building a solid social life and friend network, attending massive parties - and working at several as well ????
No. This is not coincidental. I figured out the root cause of my symptoms and how to treat them naturally via diet/supplements and other means and have been sharing about what has brought me such life changing success ever since. It's been a while since I first shared all that and there have been medical studies published that back up everything I've learned and shared right down to the chemical sensitivities.
I also shared about a 12month old infant that was destined to grow up with ASD, but, thanks to my intervention, for less than $100 worth of food/supplements, that path was avoided and he's now a happy healthy normal neurotypical 10 year old boy - definitely the greatest achievement of my life to date.
Actually treating and controlling symptoms results in these social things coming more naturally and intuitively vs. trying to force yourself to learn and do them. The things I've learned and done seem to "turn on," the social circuitry and get it actually working for me. I highly suspect that it will do the same for many others who put in the work to try it - perhaps not everyone; but my estimate remains at 70% based on the medical study fact that 70% of us share the same chemical sensitivity to certain food acids. This is not nonsense - it's science, it's medicine.
No, I'm not a medical doctor and have never claimed to be. But I am on the spectrum and Know what's worked for me - hence sharing it here with others for the last decade. Check back in in another decade - never know - I might be a medical doctor.. depends if I can make the grade and get accepted. But thanks to the effectiveness of my own treatment protocol, financial constraints to attending university again long term are slowly being eroded as this calendar year I will be back up over six figures in the black - well on my way to being able to afford to take part time classes and then eventually make the shift to full time school with part time work - but that bit of my story is for another thread topic entirely. The point of this post is that what you just stated to be fact.. I Know is not.
Which diet/regimen did you follow?
One of my own creation after a lot of reading and learning. I later realized that what I pieced together ingredient by ingredient is nearly identical to the GAPS Diet. Www.Gapsdiet.com
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what I notice is that displaying autistic traits seem a big turn off to women. In fact the rare times a girl expressed interest in me (happened 2/3 times in my life) was because she didn't know me very well, I was a stranger to her and I was able to mask myself in a way that I could pass as NT. Once a girl would know me better, she would lose interest after a while. So it's either you find a girl who accepts your quirkiness, or mask yourself so good that you can pass as NT, with the former being much easier to accomplish (and good luck with that).
Dating is pure horror, I totally feel tha pain of the opener.
But unless you're 28-year-old lady or an extremely generous employer, your belief in me doesn't help me in a any real way.
As I said before: I missed out on dating younger women when I was younger. I don't want to end up having never been with anyone under 35-40. By that age, women typically have had all the kids they're going to, and those kids are already in high school or college. I don't want to miss out on having little kids in me. Besides it just freaks me out.
How do you plan in dating a much younger women since you already is a very old guy?