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25 Jul 2011, 10:13 am

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It pretty much stated there are the "men who want to form a relationship with the prostitute" and the "Men who didn't want the prostitute to enjoy themselves". While, I understand there are those with those motives, there are those who just want to get their rocks off who don't need a deep freudian psychoanalysis to explain their sexual desire. What to make of that group, hmmmm??)

i do not understand your point. are you trying to create a third group? i think it is a very good idea to look into WHY men visit prostitutes. there may be several reasons but it is worth investigating, especially considering some of the horrific attitudes that were shown in that study.

sexual desire may be somewhat uncomplicated, but the ways we deal with that desire demonstrates a whole lot about our attitudes, values, morals, ethics, experiences, as well as our level of respect for fellow humans.

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(i get it that you are trying to be as inflammatory as possible. but you're being overly silly. don't understand why you are doing that except that maybe you enjoy flame wars?)


It's a joke so, yes, it's "overly silly". :roll:

your jokes seem intended to make people angry.


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25 Jul 2011, 10:20 am

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uhhhh no. apparently not, because when menvisit prostitutes it makes them less desirable. anyways if a man is highly desirable, then by definition he doesn't need to visit a prostitute. LOL


This. :)


Even desirable men have to work at it, and picking up the phone is much easier. That difference in effort involved is worth something, and to those wealthy enough, it's worth it.

YOU might think so but most men don't ever visit a prostitute in spite of having money. so to them, it obviously isn't worth it. your conclusions are flawed.


"Most people" simply do what other people are doing, so I wouldn't take it as any indication of how 'rational' a given lifestyle or action is. Most people believed in a flat earth circa 1400, and we all saw how rational that was...

(Note, I'm not saying that relationships are irrational. Rather, I'm saying there are multiple rational choices including all sorts of relationships and prostitution.)

you are saying two opposite things - both that people have a herd mentality and yet you think they also make rational choices. you're flip-flopping to try to make a wobbly point. you seem to have decided that people who agree with you are making rational choices and those that disagree are simply behaving according to group mentality. of course, that is not true.


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25 Jul 2011, 10:54 am

hyperlexian wrote:
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uhhhh no. apparently not, because when menvisit prostitutes it makes them less desirable. anyways if a man is highly desirable, then by definition he doesn't need to visit a prostitute. LOL


This. :)


Even desirable men have to work at it, and picking up the phone is much easier. That difference in effort involved is worth something, and to those wealthy enough, it's worth it.

YOU might think so but most men don't ever visit a prostitute in spite of having money. so to them, it obviously isn't worth it. your conclusions are flawed.


"Most people" simply do what other people are doing, so I wouldn't take it as any indication of how 'rational' a given lifestyle or action is. Most people believed in a flat earth circa 1400, and we all saw how rational that was...

(Note, I'm not saying that relationships are irrational. Rather, I'm saying there are multiple rational choices including all sorts of relationships and prostitution.)

you are saying two opposite things - both that people have a herd mentality and yet you think they also make rational choices. you're flip-flopping to try to make a wobbly point. you seem to have decided that people who agree with you are making rational choices and those that disagree are simply behaving according to group mentality. of course, that is not true.


No, people can make rational choices while also being influenced by the herd mentality. Just because many people go into relationships due to the herd mentality doesn't mean it's not a rational choice, and just because it is a rational choice doesn't mean an alternative is an irrational choice.

I was basically saying that "just because everybody else is doing it" does not necessarily mean it's rational.



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25 Jul 2011, 11:07 am

swbluto wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
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hyperlexian wrote:
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uhhhh no. apparently not, because when menvisit prostitutes it makes them less desirable. anyways if a man is highly desirable, then by definition he doesn't need to visit a prostitute. LOL


This. :)


Even desirable men have to work at it, and picking up the phone is much easier. That difference in effort involved is worth something, and to those wealthy enough, it's worth it.

YOU might think so but most men don't ever visit a prostitute in spite of having money. so to them, it obviously isn't worth it. your conclusions are flawed.


"Most people" simply do what other people are doing, so I wouldn't take it as any indication of how 'rational' a given lifestyle or action is. Most people believed in a flat earth circa 1400, and we all saw how rational that was...

(Note, I'm not saying that relationships are irrational. Rather, I'm saying there are multiple rational choices including all sorts of relationships and prostitution.)

you are saying two opposite things - both that people have a herd mentality and yet you think they also make rational choices. you're flip-flopping to try to make a wobbly point. you seem to have decided that people who agree with you are making rational choices and those that disagree are simply behaving according to group mentality. of course, that is not true.


No, people can make rational choices while also being influenced by the herd mentality. Just because many people go into relationships due to the herd mentality doesn't mean it's not a rational choice, and just because it is a rational choice doesn't mean an alternative is an irrational choice.

I was basically saying that "just because everybody else is doing it" does not necessarily mean it's rational.

i didn't ever say it was rational, in fact i sdidn't assert anything like what you are saying here. neither side is always rational in the decision-making process. you made the point that the purpose is often "just to get their rocks off" didn't you? that's hardly rational.

and i would never suggest that a person should avoid visiting prostitutes because other people have made that same decision. that would not really make much sense - no more sense than suggesting that people should do the opposite for a similar reason, should the services offered by prostitution suddenly surge in popularity. it's isn't about what other people are doing.


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25 Jul 2011, 12:56 pm

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Most anti-prostitute females seem to come from the girlfriend alliance... I WONDER why this is... competition, maybe? :P


Yep. They're afraid they won't get to sleep with you. Just keep telling yourself that....


Bahahaha, I don't care if a girl does or doesn't want to sleep with me. The statement applies to pro-prostitution men in general, which a sizable amount are generally desirable by a significant number of women (Particularly many of those who can afford regular access to prostitutes since we know many women are attracted to a really big bag of gold). And that, my dear, is called undesired competition.


I am not your dear, mon petit. :wink:


C'est n'est mon petit, mon chien. :wink:


I am not sure what do you mean but
Possible correction 1: Je ne suis pas ton petit, mon chien. (most likely according to the context).
Possible correction 2: Ce n'est pas mon petit, mon chien.



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25 Jul 2011, 12:58 pm

Oh dear petit lapin..... why don't you just f**k a prostitute already and put this thread to a rest?



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25 Jul 2011, 1:03 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
i think it is a very good idea to look into WHY men visit prostitutes. there may be several reasons but it is worth investigating, especially considering some of the horrific attitudes that were shown in that study.


To be fair don't discount looking into male prostitution now plus female sex tourism.
Women do use prostitutes and been been overlooked.
Sex like conversations are free, so if entering into a financial transaction for a conversation, does that make talking therapies a form of prostitution?



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25 Jul 2011, 1:16 pm

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hyperlexian wrote:
i think it is a very good idea to look into WHY men visit prostitutes. there may be several reasons but it is worth investigating, especially considering some of the horrific attitudes that were shown in that study.


To be fair don't discount looking into male prostitution now plus female sex tourism.
Women do use prostitutes and been been overlooked.
Sex like conversations are free, so if entering into a financial transaction for a conversation, does that make talking therapies a form of prostitution?

most male prostitutes are solicited by other males. there are some women who use them, but it is comparatively rare.

and no, therapy is not a form of prostitution. most regular jobs don't cause the same emotional and physical risks and problems, difficulty leaving the job, and trouble reintegrating into society (not 100% of women have every single one of these problems, but they are extremely common). as well, there are often sexual and relationship problems that can carry over into other aspects of their lives. prostitutes are unfortunately often permanently changed by their work in the job. not very many other professions have such a profound effect.


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25 Jul 2011, 1:42 pm

You can use women like objects if you want, but don't come whining when a woman uses you in return.


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25 Jul 2011, 2:13 pm

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Oh dear awesome person..... why don't you just f**k a prostitute already and put this thread to a rest?


... but that costs money. And, my reputation on Wrong Planet would be ruined!! ! Can't have that! :lol:



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25 Jul 2011, 2:15 pm

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You can use women like objects if you want, but don't come whining when a woman uses you in return.


You're damm right I can use prostitutes as prostitutes, just as they can use paying clients as paying clients. Generalizing that to "women" is a wee bit presumptuous.



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25 Jul 2011, 2:18 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
why don't you just f**k a prostitute already and put this thread to a rest?

Right. Arguing about the issue here with opponents who view prostitution differently, is not going to do any help with the issue. And it was the wrong place for the OP to ask the question though, perhaps in the Adult discussion there wouldn't be much opossition than in the L&D discussion, I could be wrong though. In any case, that is somehow to be expected on WP.



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25 Jul 2011, 2:33 pm

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...therapy is not a form of prostitution.


Have you read the sources I shared about that idea now?

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The problem involved in such transactions is similar to one confronting psychotherapists and their clients--the lack of a contract. Escort-service customers are misled to believe they're paying for intercourse. Instead, they get discourse. Psychotherapy-service customers are also often misled to believe they're paying for medical treatment of a disease. Instead, they get metaphorical intercourse, or "mind-fucking," as Fritz Perls once referred to it. Thus, while prostitutes, those who put their bodies to base use for gain, often masquerade as psychotherapists, many psychotherapists masquerade as prostitutes.


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A prostitute sells sex, while the psychotherapist sells conversation and informed advice (not necessarily expert advice though). It seems to me that a psychotherapist is really someone who (purportedly) is really good at life, and can advise those who aren't good at it how they should go about improving their own. Somebody who feels the need to pay somebody reasonably intelligent to talk to them and advise them how to live is, in my eyes, quite pathetic. They must be some combination of stupid and lonely, since conversation and advice are both things that can be found freely. The cost of conversation is generally the same cost associated with making friendships and being social to some extent. Psychotherapists typically don't give advice that can't be extracted from anybody who is reasonably successful at life.

What the prostitute offers is also available freely. However I think it's clearly the case that free sex is harder work than free friendship (at least for men). Somebody who finds it more worthwhile to buy sex than to work at it is less pathetic in my opinion than somebody who finds it worthwhile to buy friendship than to work at it.

Then from that conclusion we can derive that psychotherapists ought to be more ashamed of their job than prostitutes because they are making a living from the more pathetic and desperate members of the community than the prostitute is. ... Perhaps prostitution for men is similar to psychotherapy for women.



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25 Jul 2011, 2:41 pm

cdfox7 wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
...therapy is not a form of prostitution.


Have you read the sources I shared about that idea now?

GOOD THERAPY wrote:
The problem involved in such transactions is similar to one confronting psychotherapists and their clients--the lack of a contract. Escort-service customers are misled to believe they're paying for intercourse. Instead, they get discourse. Psychotherapy-service customers are also often misled to believe they're paying for medical treatment of a disease. Instead, they get metaphorical intercourse, or "mind-f***ing," as Fritz Perls once referred to it. Thus, while prostitutes, those who put their bodies to base use for gain, often masquerade as psychotherapists, many psychotherapists masquerade as prostitutes.


What is worse: Prostitution or Psychotherapy? wrote:
A prostitute sells sex, while the psychotherapist sells conversation and informed advice (not necessarily expert advice though). It seems to me that a psychotherapist is really someone who (purportedly) is really good at life, and can advise those who aren't good at it how they should go about improving their own. Somebody who feels the need to pay somebody reasonably intelligent to talk to them and advise them how to live is, in my eyes, quite pathetic. They must be some combination of stupid and lonely, since conversation and advice are both things that can be found freely. The cost of conversation is generally the same cost associated with making friendships and being social to some extent. Psychotherapists typically don't give advice that can't be extracted from anybody who is reasonably successful at life.

What the prostitute offers is also available freely. However I think it's clearly the case that free sex is harder work than free friendship (at least for men). Somebody who finds it more worthwhile to buy sex than to work at it is less pathetic in my opinion than somebody who finds it worthwhile to buy friendship than to work at it.

Then from that conclusion we can derive that psychotherapists ought to be more ashamed of their job than prostitutes because they are making a living from the more pathetic and desperate members of the community than the prostitute is. ... Perhaps prostitution for men is similar to psychotherapy for women.

yes. and i still find them to be completely different. psychologists and psychiatrists do not commonly experience the issues that i listed in my response.


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25 Jul 2011, 2:51 pm

Erisad wrote:
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hyperlexian wrote:
uhhhh no. apparently not, because when menvisit prostitutes it makes them less desirable. anyways if a man is highly desirable, then by definition he doesn't need to visit a prostitute. LOL


This. :)


Even desirable men have to work at it, and picking up the phone is much easier. That difference in effort involved is worth something, and to those wealthy enough, it's worth it.


Yeah but do you feel fulfilled afterwards? I don't know how people can enjoy casual sex. It's meaningless if the person doesn't care about you. You may as well masturbate to porn and save your money. At least you're not abusing a poor sex worker if you use your hand. :/


Probably said this many times before, or said something on the same line. But it isn't all about the sex, it is about relieving the void. And sex does relieve that void, even if it is temparary. I know how loneliness spoils the enjoyment of almost everything. However, I know that it does't poil the enjoyment of sex with a prostitutes. I am almost certian the after affects can last for many days also. I


If it's not all about the sex, why see a prostitute at all? Get a hobby or make some friends. It'll make you feel a lot less lonely without the risk of STDs or negative reputation. :)


Probably what I mean is it isn't only about the orgasm. The thing is I have a few friends. I also see workmates, it is a nice working environment. I also have a money making hobbie, and not willing to change it for one that earns me none. All in a wealthy country, doesn't it sound dandy. I personally do not intend to go with a prostitute until I am 40, and that is subject to what happens until then.



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25 Jul 2011, 3:01 pm

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You can use women like objects if you want, but don't come whining when a woman uses you in return.


You're damm right I can use prostitutes as prostitutes, just as they can use paying clients as paying clients. Generalizing that to "women" is a wee bit presumptuous.


When you buy a prostitutes, it's because you think it's okay to buy a woman's body as an object. It means you have no respect for the female body and all women have female bodies, not just prostitutes. When you use a woman's body, it's sends a message to all women that a woman's body is something to be used and disrespected.
Men like you are the reason i don't have any reservation towards using men anymore. If men are gonna use women to their advantage, i'll use men to my advantage.


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