so if you didn't feel like you had to get a girl....

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^ Hm?

In a lot of cases women make the first move; but in a more subtle and less verbal way. In fact, in most cases, a woman has already pre-selected her guy but waiting him to react (asking out) to her (usually extremely obvious, even to AS) signs; often she would keep inviting him to her group of outing, and less commonly she might ask him obvious things like "what do I mean to you?" (real story happen to two male friends), "have you ever thought to have a partner?"...etc

This happened to most taken guys I knew; if this never happen to us then that it doesn't mean it never happens to other men. And this also make us realize the ugly truth: that we aren't attractive enough (looks-wise, career, social skills...etc); the key is not how to ask out but how to become generally attractive to the opposite sex, to at least to one type of them; that's why guys work out, go to diet, fake confidence, practice how to converse (sadly, this might lead them to pua materials)...etc; all to increase their attractiveness. Some guys are naturally attractive without doing any of those, others aren't that gifted so they have to work on it.

And don't worry about AS and nonverval signs reading; they are often very obvious with a lot of verbal hints that only a complete idiot wouldn't got them. If it never happened to you before it's not because you habe failed to read them your entire life but because it really never happened before. If you want a life partner, you should focus on increasing your attractivness rather than focusing how to read signs or how to write your first okc message; also you should also focus on forming friendships if you don't have any.

I think you're right, that it's a minority of men, but a substantial minority. I think too that part of the problem's that the guys who aren't quite like that make up a bigger segment of the population, and they're looking over at these horrific creeps, and thinking, "He always gets what he wants, he doesn't let people push him around." And then every once in a while they'll do something awful to get what they want, and justify it as "I'm always so good, I deserve this one break" or "he gets more than me, why should I always suffer," or "at least I'm not like him, he's way worse." You get creep creep.

People aren't that easily manipulated. That is not how a man's mind works. If the person is capable of assault and thinks he will get away with it, he will do it. If a person is not capable of such violence, that person will not do it, no matter what. He might think about it, but he won't do it.

funny, that's just what i thought when i read that.

em_tsuj, you may want to elaborate, as that looks a bit weird just sitting there by itself.

perhaps you were being ironic and we missed it?

do i need to make that clearer there, where i clearly acknowledged that i wasn't talking about all men, just the men on this forum who have difficulty interpreting non-verbal communication? i think it's pretty clear. does it need to be clearer? i could copy and paste it a couple times, or make it all caps or something, if that would make it easier to discern.

Ohhhhhhh okay, so it's only aspie and spectrum men who have poor impulse control and no respect for women. That's marginally better, I guess.... and probably as close to an apology I'll get out of you for also suggesting I may as well be trying to rape every woman I meet since according to you, their consent isn't really important to me and all.

Do you really not see how offensive it is to assume that because someone's autistic and prefers spontaneity in romance, that they must necessarily have poor judgment, no morality, no respect for women or people in general, and self-control issues? Is that really the argument you want to get behind?