Why is it that the nice guys finish last?

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Am I the only one who perceives people with tatts/piercings as generally promiscuous (i.e. one night stand material?)

I automatically assume they're easier (which is not always a good thing).

Nice guys don't finish last... I finish last...

Sigh. Polymathpoolplayer wrote a lengthy and IMO helpful post on this subject in the thread "my attitude twoards love and relationships". You should read and heed. Truly.

I've had women over the age of 30 compliment me on my one tattoo.

I think you missed my point. I was saying that most young women today are more concerned with appearance than substance, and because of that they end up with douche bags more often.

Honestly, good girls usually go for bad guy types in many cases. But in other cases, bad girls go for the good guy types. My freind told me about this. I have a feeling I may have bad girl types going after me to be honest with you, since I would fit into this good guy catergory. I am into the bad girl types if you ask me and didn't fair well with the good girl types.

You beat me to it!

You're joking right? Very few people like being treated badly.

Here is how it stands.

Women are attracted to dominence, power, status, strength and confidence more often than not. You DON'T have to be a jerk to posess these traits.

Sadly though, most of the time jerks ALSO possess these traits.

Its not about "nice guys finishing last". It's about PUSHOVERS finishing last. Decent guys, and unfortunately, jerks, who posess these traits will always finish first. Its very hard to find a single decent guy who posesses these traits, as they're such a good catch and are almost always taken. I've met a few in my life. All taken.

Jaded guys give the pushovers some pretty stiff competition.

errr i have had a bad week to the max so forgive me....

because the bad guys are too preoccupied with themselves to remember to carry the beautiful winning prize to the finish line as they run.

that almost certainly does not make sense but i am not proud or able to be embarrassed.

to bed is the direction i am now headed. and my sleep will be deep.

It makes sense to me although I may be misinterpreting. Nice guys are concerned with the people around them, including the beautiful winning prize (presumably a woman they care about). So a true nice will move more slowly because he would never leave behind the woman he loves just to get ahead. The bad guy/jerk only wants to get ahead so he doesn't let anything slow him down, including women, who he leaves behind very carelessly.

Or maybe you just meant it to be one of your jokes and has no deeper meaning.

Because nice guys are rarely nice guys. Often they are jerks themselves who think they are nice guys, but in fact are chauvinist and think they are entitled to relationships.

I have stated this before. The whole "nice guys" things is a bit of a misnomer and if you want to ever get a relationship you are going to need to move past it. You may want to read some of the feminist writing on the "nice guys" thing.

The very fact is you are over-generalizing complex human relationships if you are thinking about things in terms of "nice guys"/jerks.

If I see one more nice guys thread I am going to throw up. Grow up guys, life is not like high school.

I would have thought it was the opposite. 'Nice' guys finish last because they are too preoccupied with themselves and why no girl wants them. Genuinely nice guys look out for other people and are well-liked as a result, and a lot of them do have girlfriends.

To be honest, that doesn't really reflect my whole take on the nice guy/jerk thing. I agree more with starrygirl. What this post actually reflects is that I like b9's metaphorical, artful and dreamy way of writing (probably because he usually writes when he's almost asleep, apparently) and just wanted to recombobulate his discombobulated words. In truth, I'm sick to death of the nice guy/jerk thing so made what is really a non-serious post.

Nice guys finish last because they won't do what it takes to get ahead.

As unfair as it is, cutthroat people do get ahead in all areas of life. Being greedy, lying, cheating, or using people are ways to gain a leg up that nice guys don't use. Even the most noble men who are successful tend to push others around with thier influence & power.

Guys who keep complaining they're getting nowhere with women because they are too nice are simply not trying hard enough.

it was not meant to be serious, but it also has some real meaning (i thought at the time).

my tendency to create concrete concepts makes me seem to be good with "metaphors", but it is just my concrete concepts that i frame around intangible things that makes it seem that way.

i was too tired to look for any thread to be serious in, and i just posted in this thread because
it was the first on in the list at that time.

i thought of the topic question in terms of a running race. i imagined a "nice" guy and a "jerk" competing in that race. i imagined that the "prize" for winning the race was on a table at the starting line rather than at the finish line (there is also another meaning to that).
the "jerk" sprints away from the start line without a care for anything but himself, and therefore he is inconsiderate and carries no weight or burden.
the "nice guy" thinks to pick up the "prize" and carry it with him to the finish line, and therefore runs slower and finishes last. but he still has the prize with him, and the jerk won the race only to look back to see the "nice guy" carrying the prize.

that is all it meant.

i was too tired to "combobulate" (nice word..i looked it up) the rest of my 1 minute thought which was......

it could be that when the "nice guy" crosses the finish line, the "jerk" snatches the "trophy" and says "thanks. i'll take that".
since the "prize" is not inanimate, then if it says "no you won't", it was worth carrying during the race, but if the "prize" says "thanks nice guy for carrying me, but i'm going home now with the 'winner' ", then that prize is not worth competing for. the "nice guy" may have won if he did not carry the burden anyway.

and it will be the very same prize that is won by the next "winner" when the current one starts to lose his capacity to retain his trophy.

i have a simplistic view of life but i guess it is not malicious or anything. it is just not as smart as most.