The Problem with Western Men is....

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I kinda interpreted the intent to be silly.. When you admit that you're just listing stereotypes that don't necessarily apply anyways, what else would it be?

Just a thread about stereotypes. I'd like to know what the stereotypes are of Western men versus other men, as we've heard about women in various parts of the world.

President Obama's mother was attracted to non-Western men. Some Southeast Asian women may be more attracted to Western men than to men from their own countries. There may be a certain amount of prestige attached to landing a Western husband.

Do Western Women, in large part, prefer Western men, men of a different culture, or just no men at all?

There is no "in large part". There is no applicable generalization.

there is no rule. I've met people (of both genders) who were only attracted to exotic looking men/women, some who were only attracted to what they knew and many, many people who were attracted to anything with a pulse.

The later causes endless grief for the former unfortunately because they set the rules and defense mechanisms of the whole game (though I'd expand exotic into esoteric - knowing what you want, who you'd be right for in terms of offering something back, etc.)

I think it's more prestige in landing a wealthy husband.. like how a lot of women want to marry a doctor. (Picturing Rachel Greene.. LOL)

They forgot how to be "men". How to stand for a set of principles, be willing to speak their mind and understand the words of honor and duty.

Too many times people have forgotten what it took to get to where they're at. The sacrifices for freedom, the dedication of their forebearers and the understanding of history.

Fear of not being PC enough. Fear of not being what society wants. Fear of saying and then thinking the wrong thing.

Western society is now mostly populated by boys. This leaves little exposure to true role models.

Bullseye.

LOL i know what "muslim" means..but are you generalizing Southeast Asians as muslim?!

who said anything about Southeast Asians? you brought it up dude, not me.

This is repulsive. I realize we are all mildly autistic but are we insane? I've been here for a day and I already feel like vomiting.

It's not okay to objectify or degrade Western men to make up for the objectification and degradation of Western women. It's not okay to objectify or degrade Eastern men to make up for the objectification and degradation of Eastern women. I won't accept that just because you're an aspie male/female (woe is me) you can't empathize with the opposite sex or let alone see them as real persons.

I'm surprise half these threads haven't been deleted already. G'day.

Larnad, definitely don't leave though. I think when people get scared off by this kind of stuff it keeps the quality of content from getting better.

As for deleting threads like this - we have to be careful how many rules we lay down in terms of what's ok to say, what isn't, too much further and we're in a position where more of our deletions are technical rather than content based. It would be best if we were able to improve the conversational bottom line to where no rules are needed as such.

Do you believe in censorship? The control of thoughts and opinions?

Or is it better to have a free exchange of ideas and discussion? The idiotic ideas are readily identified and dealt with by a diminishing audience. The good ones shine forth and stand the scrutiny of inspection.

Please read why free speech is important, and to paraphrase Voltaire, "I disapprove what you say, but I will defend your right to say it"

Well, I'm pretty sure this thread has nothing to do with Love & Dating. Especially love. Problem #1.

I've been to many forums that delete offensive threads and/or comments to protect the dignity of forum members. I would hope that if I went on a rant on how black people should be 'submissive' and bought as household slaves it would be removed. It's not fair to subject a minority to such hostility.

Even the music forums I've been on ban offensive threads/discussion. If you want to spit on women, then go to a forum that supports that. (Believe me, there's plenty.)

No, it is related to Love and Dating. If there is something about Western Men, in general, that is bothersome to others (in the Love and Dating Department), then it would be worthwhile bringing the thoughts to liight, even if the perceptions are over-generalizations. At least make us aware of some of the perceptions, even if they are either completely false, or false for 10% of Western men.

I gather that, from some perspectives, Western men just aren't sufficiently "manly", either because they are no long watching John Wayne movies, or because they've been emasculated by modern expectations, or by modern Western women.

We recently, in the last perhaps 150 years, came off of the notion that the world was 6,000 years old. We came up with evolution as an answer to our origins but, for whatever reason, have refused to accept its consequences or what it means about who and what we are today - whether we like it or not. What I've quoted above - I think its correct to the extent that no effective alternative has been given. For example, women wanted equality, have wanted and rightfully should have wanted it back since they lost it in Roman times - however, for some odd reason and perhaps fear of being retaken as inferiors, there was a need among at least some 'progressive' feminists to sanitize the existence of inherent gender differences (truthfully - any guy who's brain hasn't been bleached with his hair knows that men and women are fundamentally different in certain ways, we love you just the way you are - no desire to go back to the dark ages or re-institute star chamber court if we find out that you're not perfect, we sure as heck know we aren't).

Women need certain things in place, due to over 100,000 years of programing, to find a man attractive, or to even respect him - but its denied to a certain extent, as in yes - there are unhealthy ways for guys to express these traits but there have to be means that work in today's society. The trick is understanding our identity as a race (human) is getting our heads around what evolution actually means in terms of what we can and can't be in an immediate or real sense as well as understanding how the ill effects of our more incorrigible wiring schemes can be compensated in the world and our culture as it exists today. That also takes perhaps the more adamant 'progressives' in Western (ie. self-labeled European diaspora) culture, and particularly progressive women (IMO not the norm but the vocal minority who sets the agenda by the silence of the majority), to be able to answer this question - do they want to be 'better' than men or, do they want to be in happy/functioning relationships; I could be wrong but I don't think the desire to be better is much more than a fear of being swallowed back down by history.

We have to work together on this though, its a tough and rather costly battle to win just by trial and error (also yes, sorry I've edited the heck out this post - its a pretty complex thought though and I wanted to make sure I got it out right)