Do nice girls finish last?

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True, I am talking not only in relationships but all sectors of life.

But the reason I specifically put it in here is because there are so many men who say that "nice guys finish last" not realising there are many women who fall all over other people trying to be nice and please others, but end up getting nowhere- no friends, no success, whereas the more alpha woman with great social skills coasts their way through everything, yet are mean to others.

That is what my thread is about. I thought that it would be good to have a discussion about it with people who have been discussing similar topics for a while.

Also people may say "aspie women and women in general have an easier time in relationships" Not true. Women can get cheated on easily and dumped just as men. They can be taken for granted.

And the only reason that women's profiles on dating sites get more hits is that many of them are horny sleazebags offering unflattering, gross attention. Noone wants these hits on their profile, yuck.

And aspie females can have the same problems in relationships with NT men, as aspie men have with NT women. It has happened to me quite a bit. Right now I am dating an aspie guy.

yeah, i saw that & was a little flattered

I am sorry. I am sure it had nothing to do with the flowers.. and I am sure he appreciated receiving them.

I would love to find a nice ASD girl. Unfortunately even I don't consider myself relationship material right now.

Do you think "ruling the world" brings happiness to men? And how many the men who are really ruling the world?

Is kissing the ass of a rich fat terrible CEO considered as ruling the world? is being a soldier (cheap expendable government tool) considered as 'ruler of the world"? I am not sure whether there's any kind of obligatory military service in your country or not but in most third-world countries the military service still obligatory and young MEN are always called as reserve soldiers in time of war. Mostly, are sent to kill, endure ,survive, die or being damaged in the most horrible of circumstances somewhere far from their hometowns.

Truth is , that most men are slaves, paid slaves to few men ....and women.

Most men have no choice but to be paid slaves like that while women don't to because , simply put, if a woman fails (career-wise) she can still become a mother and so she would be always seen as a valuable and respectful member of the society . For example a non-working mother or even a single non-working girl taking care of her old dad is still respected by the majority of the society, we can't say the same about a non-working father or about a non-working adult man taking care of his old parents.

A loser man (career-wise) has no value to the society at all, not even as a father (that in case if he succeed to become a father without career success which is so unlikely) ,even his family will look down at him with disgrace.

Stats show that men are much more likely to become homeless: http://library.thinkquest.org/07aug/...tatistics.html , for a very simple reason: An unsuccessful woman can still get married and financed by a husband , while the other way around is far more unlikely to happen.

So that concludes one thing : The cost of failure for a man is higher than the cost of failure for a woman.

We men simply cannot "fail" , because men are just valued for what they do and nothing else.

Last edited by The_Face_of_Boo on 24 Jul 2010, 3:57 am, edited 5 times in total.

This just seems to me to be an example of how "nice guys finish last" seems to mean different things to different people. Most people would on the contrary interpret it that the nice guy is the person being chivalrous, and they would have better luck if they were not chivalrous and even a bit rude (within reason). Sometimes I wonder if there's something to that interpretation. I don't know if I qualify as nice, but I opened doors for female students as a teenager and some of the less tactful ones told me that I was being shamefully opportunistic.

First thing is physically impossible. Second thing is happening right now in certain evolved countries where fathers are at home taking care of kids while the woman works.

Nice people finish last?

Yes, and in certain evolved countries women are going to war alongside men. Such as the US.

Sorry, I am just not buying the BS I keep seeing on this board that women must have a really sweet deal whereas men are at a terrible disadvantage. Completely wrong. Also, there are monuments all over the world erected for men who fell in war, but for all the women who died, sometimes very horribly, in childbirth, and still are in dying in poor conditions in childbirth some places, have been completely forgotton. Where is their monument?

Its just really insulting for aspie females, some who are on the verge of suicide, to read how "good" they have it.

Yes, I think perhaps that is the crux of the matter...

True that, but those women joined the army by choice, alongside men. I was talking about the obligatory joining in the rest of world....

perhapes it is different for girls, seems like people expect girls to be nice than guys for some reason, even though everyone can be as bad as each other

regardless, i think that saying is unisex. my interperetation of it is that a lot of the time you have to be assertive or manipulative to get what you want, although this isnt always true, a lot of the time said people have an advantadge, men and women. as usual im stating the obvious.

Everyone is equal in my eyes.