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gee, i guess i am just another one of those, then. gee, will wonders ever cease?

I thought the OP was going to comment on how men could be lesbians... oh well.

LOL--at least on the last "give" he leaves some stuff behind...

unless he's wearing the raincoat.

I've always told everyone that I'm the biggest lesbian on earth. But still, I like using my male attributes

I can somehow identify myself with this. women are much more beautiful. I want to be beautiful and esthetical too. but I also want to be in a relationship with somebody who is beautiful and esthetical. I'm somehow cloyed by anything male. males are totally ugly. I'm also cloyed by my genital. It looks strange, disgusting, penises are the ugliest appearances of the world. I'd not prefer the female thing but just nothing between my legs.
I also think that nipples are ugly. The female shape is wonderful, female faces too. Strange, I think so since I am able to think. But to me it's fine, it would just be hard to satisfy those ideals so... I have to be satisfied with what I've got and what is given to me. Not that hard I think.

Honnestly I could never understand why girl would fall in love with guys, I think guys are ugly and stupid and immature, and woman are beautiful inside and outside. I have a complex of being a guy, I think that 99% of the s**t in the world happen because of guys, we lie more, we are violent wer have very limited compation. I always had a fasination for girls and a dispite for guys. This is also the reason why I had a very poor love life: I don't value my own gender and therefore I don't value myself enough.

testosterone therapy

You wont find many hairy beardy guys talking like that...

Chicken, tap water, plastic food containers, long term beer consumption, some emf's, obesity....all oestrogenize a male

I stopped drinking beer recently and all these black hairs popped up in less than 2 weeks. I became more assertive and dominant too

I live in Carpetlickerville.... so am fairly lesbian friendly

I am hairy and beardy. But I also don't agree to what "the Wingman" said, what I said and think is just about the superficial appearance.
I love beauty and esthetic, that's why I make music, and I can't really identify myself with with this bear that I appear to be.
I'm also dominant and strong, and I wouldn't want to swap that against a weak female body. but still, when I look down on my body in the bath I feel like this isn't my body. and when I'm looking into the mirror I feel like this isn't my face. I don't even really want to have a female appearance, not even human, just something that's beautiful, well shaped, dynamical, colourful.
that means: I'm just totally sick in the head.

I'm very passive and love shy, and prefer women. I could be called a male lesbian, too, I guess. I tend to have more interest socialising with girls than with men.

i kinda feel like that at times

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Until I noticed the question on signing up I had not even noticed that this was an ASD related forum, I was simply searching for something about Male Lesbians and came across this thread.. however it suddenly starts to make sense that perhaps the two are related.

I have known since childhood that for one reason or another, I'm still not entirely sure what the root cause is, that I am unwelcome in human society. This I have managed to cope with, I keep out of everyone's way and just do what I have to do to survive. I've always managed to hold down a job thanks to my technical skills and this has kept me in food water and shelter.

Of course, that isn't enough. I've been trying since I was twelve to get a girlfriend to no avail (I'm now thirty).

Some years back I started a personal research project to try and understand why this goal was so elusive, I quickly managed to create a working model of human courtship behaviour. Its a complex thing, perhaps I will go into it at another time but once this model was complete it became apparent why I failed so consistently.

Women judge a man on his social skills, this is not what she is looking for but this is how she judges it, just as a man may judge a woman based on physical characteristics when what he is really looking for is fitness and fertility. The criteria we judge on may not actually give us a clue to what we really want to know but it seems this is how we have evolved, even when its not a good choice. Much in the same way that obese people are drawn to high energy foods even when that desire leads to health problems.

Anyway, this is not what I came here to post about and before I have even started I appear to have gone off topic. What I wanted to post was about Male Lesbians.

I have seen a number of people discussing this online including yourselves and there seems to be some sort of misunderstanding about this condition. I would like to share with you my own experiences as a Male Lesbian.

Whilst conducting my research into human courtship, I surveyed many people, at the time I ran and staffed a number of internet Talkers and so I started to question the users. I covered the nature of love, sexual desire and generally discussed my own and other's situations with interpersonal relationships.

One day someone I had been chatting to on and off for years suddenly hit on what she believed was the root cause of my problem, after some time chatting with me she had begun to understand something of my personality, probably more than I do, I find it very hard to even understand my own feelings and desires let alone those of others.

Her name was Vicky, a homosexual female. Vicky told me that if she didn't know from the fact I had told her so, she wouldn't have guessed I was a man, my personality apparently comes across as female.

This isn't suprising really, my father was not a very masculine man and wasn't around for very long anyway. I was raised entirely by women and every time I showed the slightest male behaviour such as aggrression or sexual desire, I was discouraged and punished. In short, I was raised as a girl.

Physiologically I am a male, hormonally I am male. I have two testes, one penis and a desire to have sex with attractive young women but it seems psychologically I am female.

I want love, tenderness, to cuddle afterwards and to have a long term relationship alongside that desire simply to have sex.

Vicky said to me "You know I think you might be a Male Lesbian." and that suddenly clicked into place.

Now, I don't know if it was the way I was raised that made me this way, or wether I have always been this way and perhaps that explains why I do not fit into human society. Whatever the facts remain and I feel I must state these clearly. Many discussion on this topic have described the Male Lesbian as a man who "wants to be a girl" and in my experience this is just not the case.

I have considered that logically, if I had a sex change, I would find it easier to find a lesbian partner. In my current situation I fall into a horrible gap where straight women don't want me because I am not masculine enough and lesbians don't want me because I have a cock.

But I have discounted the idea of having a sex change because it just wouldn't be me, I don't want to be a girl and never have and I realise that having a sex change would only make things worst. I want to f**k, with my dick, inside a woman. I want to impregnate her and have children, just like any other straight man instinctively desires. Chopping it off would not improve the situation, it would only make it worst.

The facts are:

I am a man
I want to stay a man
I want a woman
But I'm too mental to get one

In a way perhaps I do want a sex change but the gender I want to be is MALE, I already have the body but you can't get a mind-sex-change. Another part of me however wouldn't even want that, this is who I am, I don't really want to change either part to suit some social stereotype and fit myself into everyone else's mental pigeonholes. I want to stay like I am but be able to acheive what I want out of life, I want to be accepted for what I am.

Unfortunately however, gender is the most basic pigeonhole that everyone has to fit into one of. Straight or gay, tall or short, pale or brown.. you can be any variety of human you like so long as you are either MALE or FEMALE. Fall into this strange gap in between and you will quickly find that neither side wants to know.

Thats a Male Lesbian for you.




P.S.

I have spent much time doing my research, writing it up, making wonderful diagrams of how humans interract in an attempt to understand it so that perhaps if I understand it I can somehow find a fix for, or a shortcut around my problem. However everytime I add something new to the picture and re-evaluate the situation I still find the inevitable truth that I can't have a girlfriend unless....

What if I could find someone like me? A woman, with curves and breasts and juicey warm loins with a desire to be loved, make love, get pregnant and have kids BUT with the personality of a man. In essence the inverse of my problem, to invert the term "Male Lesbian" perhaps what I'm looking for is a "Female Fag".

Reminds me of Curtis in the latest series of Misfits. He has a power where he can turn into a woman version of himself whenever he wants, and he keeps turning into a woman to pleasure him/herself

I can really relate to this song

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This is how I feel. Like a lesbian on the inside, with little to no attraction towards men. If I were a female I would probably be a lesbian with some bi tendencies. This has led to much confusion over the years about my sexuality. I'm kind of a love-shy kind of person; in most respects I guess. This has led to many people thinking that I'm gay when that's not exactly true. I don't think many people are accepting of different types of identity, sexually. People should be free to be whom ever they choose and love how they feel they want to love, and not be contained by rigid and impractical categories. I do feel some attraction towards SOME men but not most, and usually it's only anxiety over sexual acts. I've also found that I tend to attract bi-men or men that were molested as friends. I guess I give off a "I won't hurt you" kind of appeal that women have, naturally. I love my identity, sexually speaking. The type of women I attract as mates are AMAZING and better than any kind of women out there. I can protect them from harm and make love to their beautiful bodies. Also, I have a higher tolerance of pain and don't have much of an ego. Women looking for that I tend to avoid because I know I won't be able to supply that to them. Also, people tend to believe that I'm beautiful and feminine in nature. Which is true, I guess. I love being a male lesbian.